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annietyme
April 9th, 2002, 03:45 AM
Hey Hilary and Friends~
My mom recently met a man of 23 yrs on a plane trip that just moved into our area from across the U.S. He knows no one, other than his roommates, and from what my mom has told him, is very interested in meeting me... She has given me his number to call and be his "tour-guide".
She seems to think that we would be good together and I would like to think that she knows my tastes somewhat.. Curious and skeptical I consulted the I Ching..
Can you help me with the translation? I can always use the interpretation of others...
22 with changing in the 6th resulting into 36.
Again, always appreciated. Look forward to hearing from anyone and everyone.
candid
April 9th, 2002, 11:59 AM
Hi Annietyme.
You didn't mention how you feel about this situation. My impression is that its saying to gracefully withdraw from the offer and hide your light protectively from view, that your integrity will not be encroached upon, and that your will may prevail without awakening enmity.
Candid
annietyme
April 9th, 2002, 04:53 PM
Thank you Candid~
I am still not sure how I feel about this particular situation. I want to meet someone with whom I share similiar interests and someone I can enjoy spending time with. However I am skeptical of what my mom thinks would be a good match.
Thanks again~ Annie
hilary
April 10th, 2002, 07:40 PM
Hello Annie,
Just another 2p...
I can well appreciate your scepticism! It seems a strange beginning for meeting anyone, 'Mum thinks we're well suited.' Hmmm... (But then - as certain members of this community could tell us - that's just a matter of culture...)
Hexagram 22's lines suggest the story of a courtship, and the whole thing seems to be about how someone presents themselves. This covers the full spectrum from a superficial concern with appearances to a perfect correspondence between a beautiful surface and a beautiful inner truth.
There are good times for dwelling on the presentation, the way you meet and interact, rather than wanting to penetrate below the surface - this is one of them. That top line, 'white adorning' is like undyed cloth: what you see is absolutely what you get, with no disguise or falsification. (And BTW, though you may well have a translation that says white is the colour of mourning, this idea is younger than the I Ching, so not particularly relevant!)
What about the second hexagram, hiding brightness away because of injury, or a fear of injury? Well, this can indeed be a good strategy. Specifically, it's the way to cope when you are excluded from the centre where the decisions are made, and are liable to be misjudged and hurt if you let your true light shine out. Once in a while (and especially as a second hexagram) it can also be a mistake. Not falsifying is one thing, hiding your light under a bushel is another.
So... just to be really helpful, I'm going to differ from Candid on this one. I don't think it can hurt to meet the man, trust the appearances for once and also let your own be quite plain, simple and honest. The I Ching says in that case there is 'nothing wrong' - suggesting it's possible to be too sceptical...
Let us know what you decide, and what he's like if you meet!
nks
April 10th, 2002, 08:39 PM
Hi Annietyme,
don't take me as any sort of an expert, I'm more of a bull in a chinashop of free association, but here's what I see:
To me, Grace is connected to serendipity - to a trusting attitude that allows for unexpected coincidences lining up so that the universe seems to be working with you on your goals. Certainly there is a coincidence at the origin here (mom meets guy on plane).
The big question here is *who's* serendipity train are you going to ride on. Your mom sees this as a matchmaking coincidence, and I'm not sure what kind of coincidence you see it as. Maybe it is a coincidence that will help to clarify your relationship with your mom - whether you take (or reject!) her opinion of what is good for you without much question, or whether her opinion is one of many you value before you make your *own* decision.
I might suggest that if you approach this as a "small matter" (a simple welcoming of a stranger to town, who happened to cross your path), and not as a "controversial issue" (a loaded match-making encounter), you may well see your way to a comfortable course of action.
The change to #36 suggests to me that since the young man will come with his own agenda too, you may need to do a little "veiling, yet still shining" in order to make it clear to him you are just kindly welcoming a stranger, not rolling out the red carpet.
If there really is a good connexion between you two, it will come out on its own. Likewise, if there isn't, no harm. Make yourself and the quality of your personality and generosity the issue, not the quality of mom's judgement...
nks
louise
April 10th, 2002, 08:41 PM
I guess the answer to your question Annietyme surely rests on the relationship you have with your mother - on whether you view her as trying to run your life, or, as someone you have a very deep empathy with. Possibly it would help to consult the I Ching on the nature of your relationship with her. How much do you want her to influence your life ?
annietyme
April 10th, 2002, 08:41 PM
Okay so let me reiterate to make sure that I have this accurate. If I choose to meet him, take him at face value (an exception to things are not always what they appear to be), I should keep myself guarded or protect myself from showing him too much of the real me...
What does this mean if I were to meet him and find that we are indeed perfect for each other? Does this mean I should always keep my 'brightness hidden' or only if I don't like what I see?
I have already chosen to call him and I left a brief message, nothing to much and have yet to hear a response... I will definitely keep you all posted!
Again thank you~ Annie
louise
April 10th, 2002, 08:43 PM
Oops I see Nks just said that - in a more eloquent way.
annietyme
April 10th, 2002, 08:48 PM
Nks~
Thanks for your insight! I completely agree with what you have stated as your opinion! I have already decided to approach the situation as such (welcoming a stranger into town and offering my services as a personal tour guide).
If it turns to be out to be just that or a possibility of a relationship vs. friendship I will take that step as it approaches.
Also to you louise, My mom does indeed try as hard as she can to influence my life as well do I try hard for her not to be right... I will try as you suggest and ask the I Ching about our relationship... Thanks...Everyone!
~Annie
annietyme
April 11th, 2002, 06:08 PM
Well everyone~
I spoke to him last night on the phone for about 30 minutes or more... He seems too good to be true! We have so much in common it is almost erie. He repeatedly said how happy he was that I called (apparently his roommates did not give him my message a few days ago), how much he wanted to hear me sing and hang out with me. We arranged to get together this saturday so I can show him around and hit all the hot spots of southern california. I could barely stop thinking about our conversation and him last night... I will let you all know how saturday goes.
What do you all think about the conversation? Could he be too good to be true?
Thanks again~ Annie
hilary
April 11th, 2002, 07:41 PM
The reading doesn't say whether he's wonderful or not... but I think it does say that 'what you see is what you get', pure and simple.
Hoping Saturday goes well http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/i_ching_discussion/clipart/happy.gif
candid
April 11th, 2002, 09:36 PM
Hi Annietyme,
I too, hope all goes well. But, I'm wondering why so much emphasis has been placed on 22, which is nothing more than appearance and adornment, when the weightier matter of 36 has been addressed only in passing. NKs has said that , "the young man comes with his own agenda." I view this as significant.
You are talking about spending allot of time alone with someone you don't know. My advise is, keep in a public setting as much as possible until you have had a chance to "see" him in different environments. Once you have gained sufficient cause to trust him more, you?ll be in a better position to establish a more personal relationship.
It may just be my paternal instinct, but my eye is still on the meaning of 36. Please be careful.
~Candid
annietyme
April 11th, 2002, 09:55 PM
Thank you Candid for your concern. I am planning on being careful, I will not through caution into the wind just because a great conversation... I realize that he does come with his own agenda and until I find out what exactily that is I will "hide my brightness".
~Annie
louise
April 12th, 2002, 12:02 AM
Candid's paternal warning has made me smile - its very sweet - I'm really pleased you are telling us whats happening Annie, I'm very interested in how it goes - I think we could all learn alot from it..Good Luck and stay safe (my maternal instinct coming out here)
annietyme
April 12th, 2002, 12:48 AM
Louise~
Both you expressing your concern has made me smile! You both are very sweet and I will be sure to update you as soon as things occur.
Online Clarity Friends is really starting to feel more like Family! I really appreciate everything written... it means a lot to me.
I will stay safe and update you all soon!
Again Thank you~ Annie
nks
April 12th, 2002, 08:21 PM
Hi Annietyme,
Now what exactly was your original question? You say you consulted about the situation, but did you have a specifically worded question in mind? That might help in the interpretation.
I join in wishing you good luck, a fun time, and safe exploration.
annietyme
April 17th, 2002, 06:48 PM
Hello All~
I apologize for not updating you all sooner, I have been swamped with both work and school.
He was incredible! Such a gentleman, sweet and chivalrous. He brought me flowers, a copy of his CD and another CD that he thought I might enjoy. We had wonderful food, music and conversation. I was so nervous about meeting him but after 5 minutes with him I was completely at ease and remarkably comfortable. There was never an akward moment of silence or anything. My mom was right, we have so much in common! Just about everything! The night ended, unfortunately with my jacket being stolen with all of my keys in the pocket. However, he reassured me that no matter if we found them or not everything would work out. A friend of mine drove us back to my apartment and without having keys to get in he scaled the wall and managed to get to my 2nd story balcony and (thank goodness I left the sliding door open) let me into my apartment. We kissed and made-out a little while drinking a bottle of wine and then he went home.
Nks~ My original question was "What will come from meeting this guy".
So, what do you guys/gals think?
Thanks for everything~Annie
louise
April 17th, 2002, 10:58 PM
Well thats fantastic Annie - maybe mother does know best ! In retrospect how would you view the meaning of 22 and the moving lines now ? Thanks for telling us what happened. Hope it continues to go well.
hilary
April 19th, 2002, 04:51 PM
I think he sounds sweet http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/i_ching_discussion/clipart/happy.gif
OK, on the I Ching front, I think you might have reached the end of what that first reading was describing: a 'suitor' who's exactly what he appears, and your natural self-protective instincts. I think. Unless we take maximum advantage of hindsight and wonder whether #36 might have referred to the theft of your jacket?
(What does anyone else think?)
You know, the title character for #22 has flowers in it... I hope he keeps them coming!
dharma
April 19th, 2002, 06:44 PM
Over the years, I've learned to put to practice being aware in every area of my life as much as possible. Rather daunting at first but more natural to me now. This is my form of 'walking meditation'.
By doing this, I have found that the nature and essence of my relationship to any given person is *always* contained within our first meeting.
Whenever I meet someone for the first time, I pay close attention to the events that transpire, as well as, the people who we 'happen' to encounter.
Afterwards, I 'sit' with it in a very similar manner as I would in interpreting a dream, tarot or i ching. Usually, for me, the things that occur are rather subtle -everyday stuff- so I have to pay closer attention to what transpires.
However, if I had *my* jacket and keys stolen during a date, the red flags would be waving like crazy. I would most definitely be on the alert, especially in regards to the individual I met with.
That's the significance #36 has for me.
Dharma
annietyme
April 19th, 2002, 07:04 PM
Hilary & Friends~
In retrospect I think the 36 was a forewarning of the theft of my jacket. Maybe all together a warning to not go to my bar. I am a regular at this lil version of Cheers and everyone there knows me rather well. Maybe that is what it meant by hiding my brightness. I do tend to "shine brightly" when around my bar buddies. Luckily none of the usual crowd was there, yet because it was mostly strangers my jacket was taken...
Ooh and I forgot to mention that my jacket was returned to the bar with my keys in it later Wednesday after I posted that message.
As for 22, I think I might be at the end of it as well. I am not quite sure yet though. We have plans to get together tonight so we'll see.
My next question should probably be "What kind of a relationship will bloom between us" or ? I don't know where to go from here, it is probably too soon to know for sure regardless.
Any advice?
Thanks everyone, I love hearing everyone's view and suggestions/opinions. Keep them coming~Annie
candid
April 19th, 2002, 11:22 PM
Hi Annie and everyone.
I doubt that 36 referred to your jacket. There is another possibility. Since 36 was aligned with 22, they could both be saying the same thing, at different levels. Darkening of the light isn't a dimming of your light, only a hiding or covering of it. (adorned with grace) This could easily imply modesty. A way of still shining, though your light is modestly concealed.
15- Modesty, has a different meaning than what we tend to associate the word with. Modesty, in Yi speak, is making something difficult look easy. It?s a bringing to completion without drawing attention to the effort. Though this is never bad council, this was not your message. Your message was 22-36. It was a beginning, not a bringing to completion.
You had mentioned going to a bar, which you frequent. There may have been a temptation or tendency to "let it all hang out" with your familiar friends. Perhaps the council was, hide it, Annie... let it shine.. but hide it awhile. I know if I were the lucky suitor, I would appreciate such modest restraint in you.
Watcha think?
~Candid
annietyme
April 20th, 2002, 12:17 AM
Candid~
This does sound a lot like what I was just thinking. A majority of my friends had told me that it might be best to not take him to Cheers for a while, until I got to know him and he me... If only right? I wasn't originally planning on taking him but he wanted to check it out and like I said not many people I know was there that night (He said that he really liked the environment etc). However, the jacket was stolen (then returned this past wed).
What do you think about that? Do you think that the I Ching had warned me about taking him there and although I did any how, my jacket was returned to say, "I made you sweat through this one, but next time it just might not go so well"?
Meaning, I lucked out... Am I making any sense? I am not sure if I understand how to phrase that.
If you understand... let me know what you think.
Thanks Candid and everyone else!
Modestly~Annie [ http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/i_ching_discussion/clipart/happy.gif ]
candid
April 20th, 2002, 02:23 AM
*chuckle* No, I don't think it was necessarily saying not to go there, nor do I think there was a punitive judgment cast upon you for going there. I think you probably followed the council intuitively. That's how the Ching often works. It just plants the seeds, the images, in our mind, and it harmonizes with us, something like a tuning fork. We adjust to its frequency. From the sounds of your description, the encounter went very well.
The jacket? Maybe the lesson is this: That which is yours, can not be lost. Even if its misplaced, it will return to you. If there was any red flag associated with it, symbolically, here are a couple of quips which come to mind:
1. keep your shirt on
2. cover yourself
3. you get the picture
~http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/i_ching_discussion/clipart/happy.gif!
dharma
April 20th, 2002, 02:14 PM
Annietyme,
Just adding one more item to Candid's list above:
4. protect your keys
metaphorically, as well as, literally you are throwing caution to the wind by giving unknown others *access* (to you and yours) while leaving yourself to struggle to regain your rightful position/place afterwards.
The message is: cover and protect your *light* with more self-awareness because if it's misplaced, overlooked and forgotten you suffer for it.
Dharma
hilary
April 20th, 2002, 06:51 PM
Dear Annie (and everyone http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/i_ching_discussion/clipart/happy.gif )
This is going to sound odd coming from me - I'm always on the alert for signs in my life - but I think it is possible to interpret things too much and read too much into them. Or perhaps it's just that so much depends on your own personal take. Your jacket story leaves most of me very happy and reassured about human nature, and a small cynical voice saying 'shouldn't she get her locks changed?' I don't know that any of that means much!
I don't feel as if we've got to the bottom of #36 yet. I asked the I Ching what I should try to convey to you here - thinking that the message would surely be something like what I wanted to say, namely 'enjoy, don't analyse'. And it gave #36, unchanging.
And just now I asked about the meaning of the jacket incident, and received 36 changing to 24. How do you (all) feel about this? I think it could mean hunting down and overcoming the demon of mistrust (which is something that takes time, and can't be done all at once with a 'hasty divination'). At all events the line is about overcoming the darkness and claiming back the light.
Annie, I really hope you don't mind my doing a couple of readings about your situation without asking you first. My excuse: all I wanted to do at first was to check for myself that I wasn't about to talk utter twaddle... and then when these readings emerged I thought I couldn't really keep them to myself. So here they are...
dharma
April 20th, 2002, 07:24 PM
Hilary, we can't place limits on who, what, where, when, and why we can interpret. Life itself is a dream and so everything is fair game in that respect. Nor do I believe that one can go too far in analyzing and interpreting unless the process is driving one around the bend. Then it would be best to let things just *be* until such time as one is not overwhelmed by the symbols.
In anycase, I had a very specific intuition here about #36 for Annietyme's situation. On the one hand, I'm not 100% sure if it fits to the actual hexagram's meaning and, on the other hand, I wished to sensitively express something about behavior without being too direct and thus rude, so I've been going about it in a rather round about way.
The image that came to mind when I was considering #36 comes from one of Christ's suggestions, "Don't cast your pearls before swine."
Now don't get me wrong...I'm not suggesting that anyone here (or there) is a swine (no disrespect to the pig community either -- to their credit, I hear they're quite intelligent!)http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/i_ching_discussion/clipart/happy.gif
What I mean is that we sometimes need to learn to protect that which is most valuable within ourselves. Otherwise, we *give* it away to those who really don't see the value and are only too willing to use and abuse what we've given. We are then left to, not only re-assess our own worth but to re-build our self-esteem after such a loss.
#36 seems to me to be refering to our need to learn how to protect what is best within us and to shine and reveal ourselves to others only after they've earned our trust. That's my take on it.
Dharma
candid
April 20th, 2002, 10:39 PM
*echoes Dharma's reasoning*
hilary
April 20th, 2002, 11:08 PM
Not arguing, either http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/wink.gif
candid
April 21st, 2002, 12:47 PM
Oh sure.. http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/i_ching_discussion/clipart/happy.gif *teasing*
annietyme
April 22nd, 2002, 05:19 PM
Thank you Hilary, Candid, Dharma & everyone else!
You all are oh so helpful and thoughtful. I really appreciate all of your insight, and Hilary you are more than welcome to ask what ever you would like on my behalf. I would love to hear it all. Something bad happened last night however. I went over and hung out with him at his house, with his roommate and one of my friends. Well, we went to Cheers later and he ended up leaving with a guy friend of mine to go "jam". They are both musicians that I understand. But this guy he left with is a total male whore, and they left with two girls... This guy goes home with a different girl everynight so I know that more than music was going to get played. My guy invited me to go and said that he would really love me to go, but I had to take my friend (tracey) home and I had to work early this morning.
I got really upset that he ditched me to hang out with this guy friend and two girls that I know followed them. What am I to think? To do? I don't know. We didn't get into too serious of a conversation about it, but he said that "We're not boyfriend/girlfriend" and he doesn't want anything serious. Blah Blah Blah...
I really don't know what to make any of this... It just seems like I keep on making the same mistakes over and over and over.
Anything you have to say is very appreciated and please feel free to consult the I Ching on my behalf at anytime...
Much love and gratitude~Annie
moon_shadow
April 23rd, 2002, 06:03 AM
Hi! Hexagram 22 can also mean "facading". Sometimes plain one story buildings have false
fronts...think of Tombstone in the Old West.
Sometimes the decorative elements add to the total picture, sometimes they are misleading.
They are not really dishonest, but they do not
particularly provide anything of substance, either.
Confucious said that the I Ching only answered
falsely once...it gave hexagram 22 in response to his question. Commentators say the I Ching was trying to tell him to "lighten up". It is a light and artsy hexagram.
Sometimes when we are children our parents teach
us the skills of verbal facading. A friend of
mine recollects eating a lovely piece of chocolate
cake as a child. Her parents would tease her
and say...when are you going to give me that cake?
They did not really want the cake, but the game
did not end until she offered them her plate.
She said they taught her dishonesty in this small
way. Social banter...teasing...verbal aptitude.
All these things are nice, but not particularly
important or full of substance.
A man might want to date a woman because she
is fun and pretty...but his interest in her ends
there. Does he look better with her at his side?
Why is he concerned about his image, anyway?
Is that what Hex. 36 leads into?
So, you see? the 22/36 reading might be a warning. Narcissism is a pretty scary stance,
and that is what I see in Hex. 36...someone who
talks big, but who is really weak inside...jealous
of another's integrety or "light", too weak to
risk authenticity...so they are "smooth" (like
that wonderful Santana hit)
So it's advantageous to hide the light so as to avoid people who use other people to get praise
and admiration.
The real test of whether someone is a narcissist
is how they deal with criticism...if they
accept it gracefully, fine. Do they have a sense
of humor about themselves? Or do they ALWAYS have
to play the part of the "wunderkind"?
Hope that you do not have to encounter anyone
like this. There is a great website on "Malignant
Narcissism" that is helpful. It is truly
a rare problem, but one that can hurt innocent
people. Narcissists do not love others. For all
the wonderful things they say about themselves,
they are really not happy with themselves either.
Another person's congruency and self-acceptance
is salt in their wounds.
Hope this helps,
Moon_shadow
hilary
April 23rd, 2002, 09:37 AM
Hello all,
This is just a lightning-quick note as I have to go out in 10 minutes (back at the computer tomorrow)...
but I added another reading last night which I thought people might like to get their teeth into:
Please comment on what really happened that night? (The one Annie wrote about.)
Answer: 11 changing to 9.
I haven't pulled this together yet, but the two lines seem to be two ways Small Taming might affect Harmony. And Annie probably knows the feeling of line 6 very well... and remember that Diyi's young cousins married King Wen, founder of the dynasty that succeeded Diyi's...
I was prompted to ask this because I wondered whether it was really as bad as it looked, and whether we're not maligning the poor bloke somewhat. Did he even know the reputation of the man he left with, for instance?
Four minutes till the bus. Must run.
moon_shadow
April 24th, 2002, 01:45 AM
One more idea about hexagram 22. I was reminded
of another saying in the I Ching...it's not the
flower, it's the fruit that is important.
I think that we should all look for the beauty in
others, because all of use are complicated people.
We are all a mixture of motives and some of our
feelings are oblivious even to our own selves.
I am not sure exactly who or what Hexagram 36 is
talking about. However, I do think that there
are people who become jealous when others are too
happy and full of light. It does not make them
a bad person. It does, however, help us to protect ourselves by not sharing too much, too soon. Sorry if my post was too heavy, because
we all need to be tolerant and look for the good
in others. I just am very cautious of hexagram
36.
Moon_Shadow
hilary
April 24th, 2002, 01:12 PM
What I'm learning from this is that personal associations with a hexagram are certainly the key to understanding it, but may only represent a smallish fraction of its overall spectrum of meaning. 22 can mean that the surface appearance emerges straight from the substance, as with the flower of the ideogram, or point to ways in which this ideal isn't happening. But either way I think that - at least with line 6 moving - it's an admonition to stick with what's visible and not seek to extrapolate. What you see is neither more nor less than what you get. (When we get #23, we know the focus needs to change in a hurry!) Sometimes hiding your light (#36) is a vital self-protective strategy against the kind of person Moonshadow describes, occasionally it's self-defeating, a self-fulfilling prophecy, 'I am disempowered, I always get hurt...'
Annie, you say you feel like something is repeating - is it those patterns of #36, do you think? Events being dictated by people whose 'principles' do not match yours, so that if you shine out you get hurt?
Looking at Hexagram 11, it says that there were some powerful energies at work that night - the kind that can push trivia to one side and bring out the important things. Also that if you can combine this power with the cautious, conscious approach of the preceding hexagram - as if you were treading behind a tiger - then it creates peace and security. But it is not particularly easy to work with - you really have to engage.
This is something that flows: essence pouring into substance, like a torrent. Everything is open and moving, free and affirmative. You can expect communication to be open, and inspirations to turn into reality. At its best this energy is love, but it can also be sheer human vitality and energy that has to find an outlet.
All this is encountered by Hexagram 9 - very different. Someone is trying to contain and harness a huge creative force, trying to bring it to expression in a way they can use. They're like a small farmer working with the greater forces of nature. This can be frustrating: in the Judgement, someone is looking up at clouds that darken the sky but don't quite rain. 'Not quite' is the keynote: you don't have quite enough influence, you're not quite strong enough, things don't quite work out. There is a positive way through, of course - to focus on the greater force rather than the lesser abilities, and let it shape your response... the small farmer can still make a living. Annie, I think (correct me if I'm wrong!) that this is you, wanting to make it work out as you would choose but finding you just don't have as much influence as you'd need.
The two moving lines linking 11 and 9 have had me baffled for a while - line 5, especially. But here are some thoughts:
They're at the extreme of #11's dynamic energy: it is definitely tending to change things here. Small Taming has to find ways to work with it, not oppose it.
Line 5: "Diyi [the 'high ancestor'] marries off his cousin. Thus satisfaction, fundamental good fortune."
The story behind this: Diyi married his female relatives to King Wen of the Zhou (polygamy was an obligation then for noble men). Wu, born from this marriage, would later overthrow the descendants of Diyi. But at this time, Diyi was the one in power, showing favour to Wen and cementing an alliance with him.
You brought this man in among your friends because you were the one who knew the area, he didn't know anyone, etc. But as he grows in confidence, he goes off with his new, um, acquaintances, and if you can't come with him, he'll regret this, but it won't stop him going.
A modern version of the old story? Maybe. But I think that if you look at this more generally, the message is that you may not control developments, things can happen that you could never have anticipated, but the end results can still be creative and good. It can be part of nurturing your own growth. These shifts in influence can work to your advantage.
Line 6:
"Bulwark returns to the moat.
No use, the army.
Your own capital, an informing mandate.
Constancy: shame."
I think you'll probably be able to identify with this. You'd built something up (expectations? defences?), then it crumbled. The line blends positive advice with warnings. What you can't do is clear enough: there's no point manning the defences when they've fallen back into the moat. In other words, you can't prevent or reverse the change, no matter how organised or determined you are about it. Trying to force your original conception through only leaves you lost and embarrassed. But within your own place - where you are in charge - there is something new and important to be understood. What you learn can take you to utterly new experiences.
phew. Sorry that was so long and unwieldy. Please let me know how you respond to it all, though! I hope it's some help.
annietyme
April 24th, 2002, 07:17 PM
As always you and everyone here are a HUGE help!
I really like what you just mentioned! I think that is extremely accurate. I am constantly amazed by the I Ching!
I am trying to be stong, learn from these mistakes and not make them again.
I am not going back, try to make things work or anything for that matter. If he comes around, calls or what have you, I will do nothing... To establish even a friendship at this point would take a lot of work on his behalf. I do not have the patience nor the willingness to invest in such a venture. I have just heard that the guy he went with had a threesome with the two girls they went off with. He neglected to mention where my guy was at or what he was doing. I hardily doubt that he was in the other room watching cartoons.
What a man-pig! The hung out together all day the next day too I guess. Now they are really 2 peas in a pod. I am just so frustrated.
moon_shadow
April 25th, 2002, 01:24 AM
aww..Hilary! That was absolutely *beautiful*
when you described Hex. 22. You know, maybe
like Confucious I need to lighten up! lol.
Actually I truly *love* flowers, and realize
that sometimes the effort that plants put in to
them, when they produce such little seeds...well,
it is a miracle. The beauty and immense variety
of flowers, even in the wild is a testament to
essence, isn't it?
Happy spring to those of us in the Northern hemisphere, BTW. (I'm off for a walk to appreciate
nature for awhile).
~Suz
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