TRICK QUESTION

[claire]

Hello,
I have a virtual relationship with a man and asked the IChing if I am the only one he has, at least virtually.
I know this kind of question is a trick one but I can only count on the IChing and the good will of people who will feel able to help me on this.

The answer I got is:
Hexagram 56 - changing line 3
Hexagram 35

What do you have to tell me about this? Can I trust this man as I have always had?

Thank you.

[tashiiij]

wow i have received this same configuration regarding a critical situation. I was flumoxxed!

On one hand, one has lost all, and then the next hexagram is about promotion!

Could it be about burning bridges in order to make progress?

It seems to be a complex answer.

It will be good to see other responces....

[lenardthefast]

Hi Claire,

Is it possible that you made a mistake when you were constructing the hexagram? I am asking this question because, to my mind at least, there seems to be so little relevance between your question and the resulting primary hexagram,its' changing line AND the secondary hexagram. If I had received this answer regarding the question you asked, I would be inclined to ask the same question a second time.

Sorry to be of so little help, but, this is a perplexing situation. Hopefully, some of the other members will have another perspective to share.

Good luck and best wishes!

Namaste,
Leonard http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/spin.gif

[tashiiij]

hmmmm. been thinking about it for a while...and, this is just an intuition, but i wonder if the hexagram indicates that you should protect yourself......

best wishes.


tashiiij

[gene]

Hi Claire

I didn't respond to this at first because I thought the question was a little confusing. I think we need to take a look at a couple things. First, you asked if you were the only one at least virtually. Let's consider this question. The first step of analysis is, why at least virtually? If he is not faithful or loyal to you, then he isn't whether virtual or otherwise. It is an/either or situation. And the question boils down to, does he care enough about me to stay aloof from others?

The answer in this is a little tricky. (Kind of like you said, tricky). First off, it needs to be determined if you really do have enough of an involvement to expect him to be faithful. If not, then the I Ching is likely telling you, back off, the line is a little gruff, and overbearing, which causes his misfortune. But let's say you can rightfully expect this man to be faithful. Then we have a problem. The changing line is line 3. The commentary doesn't help us a lot, but this is in the hexagram of "The Wanderer." Now, what do we say of a man who is not faithful? He wanders. In the hexagram, line 3 is yang. The third line is by nature, yang. And here the line is yang so it is correct. Now, by the law of correspondence, the third line should correspond with the sixth. But the sixth line is incorrect because it is a yang line, so the third line and sixth line do not connect. By the law of correspondence, the secondary relationship is the third line with the fourth. But the fourth is yang also, therefore incorrect. So the third line cannot find a mate in the fourth line. So what does he do? He wanders. He can try the fifth line, because the fifth line is yin, but by the law of correspondence he is not related to the fifth line. So he might try the second, or the first. But none of these lines are his proper mate. Therefore, as a wanderer, he is removed from his proper mate. As such he looks elsewhere.

This is the way I see this in terms of the question being asked. However, as I said, there may be more to this than I am aware of. You will have to decide whether it makes sense to you.

Gene

[martin]

Hello Claire,

I'm not too sure about this (I would need to know more about the circumstances) but my first impression is that the oracle asks you a question in return:
Is it essential for you that you are the only one? Can you also have a good relationship with him if you are not the only one?
After all, a traveller (hex 56) meets many people ...

Hope this helps,

Martin

[candid]

An online domain (or relationship) isn?t a permanent abiding place, but if one knows how to adapt themselves and remain in the company of good people, they may find a trustworthy companion. If, however, one demands things from another online, which are not suitable for online relationships, one looses their resting place and strays from their own inner home, and from real life.

The best way to make progress in an online relationship is to brighten your virtue and remain in touch with attainable achievements. The time of Progress lends the tools (arrows) to accomplish something if you clarify the relationship and its limitations. Clarity can be difficult to maintain if you are ill prepared or expect more than the other person has to give.

[val]

Hi Claire...

You asked about the man's relationship(s), and the Yi told you. He's a travelling stranger in your life and in partnerships in general. And I do believe the nine in the third place is telling you he's a Lothario. Don't be surprised. There are many on the net. They feel protected by the anonymity of the net, and give little thought (as the wanderer who does not know how to behave properly) to their impact on others' lives.

Cheerio the noo,

Val

[val]

Tashjii...

35 is about progress in a partnership..."an elightened ruler and an obedient servant"...a creative artist and a savvy businessman...a husband who thinks of grand plans and a wife who executes them. It's about progress in a partnership where each other's strengths and weaknesses complement. "This is the condition on which great progress depends."

Claire's internet friend travels...wanders through partnerships.

[tashiiij]

Val,

Thanks for that! Hmmmmm......very illuminating. Your insight into the partnership aspect of 35 is really changing the stalemate i had reached (about the critical situation i had thrown the change for....)

Maybe needs a bit of re-thinking.

Thanks again.

[claire]

Well I am now sure he is loyal to me in our virtual relationship because I got material proof but I wonder why the IChing showed something quite different from reality. Is it possible that my stormy state of mind when I asked the oracle affected the answer? If I assume the Val's insight, is it possible that if he 'wanders' he found something in this relationship and had finally committed himself or made any good and serious change inside???

Anyway, I asked about the relationship future or potential and the answer is:
hexagram 14 - changing lines 3, 4 and 6
hexagram 193

Any insight?

[gene]

Claire

If you've got some method of getting material proof of someone's faithfulness on the internet. I suggest you sell that secret. You'll make a fortune. I am sure there are ten million men and women out there that would like to know how to do that. Well, good luck in your ongoing relationship.

Gene

[claire]

Gene, I got material proof because of a friend that is there on the same country that my lover is. I will not make a fortune for sure, I guarantee. The faithful issue is closed and I feel lucky for it.
Although it was a private thing I thought you all would feel glad to hear about the outcome.
I am here to share my experiences with you all while I look for some help of the IChing and all the experts who are willing to share their insights to me.
If any one of you have something to say about the last question I asked to the Oracle, I would be extremelly grateful and happy for that. http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/happy.gif
God bless.

[gene]

Claire

I think we are all glad to hear the outcome. This is one I didn't really want to get involved with at first, there are several ways to read the I Ching, and as I said, you are closer to it than I am. I do want to say though, I fail to see how knowing someone who lives in the same country, the same state, the same city or right next door constitutes any proof of any kind. In your case, perhaps it does. But to me that kind of proof wouldn't mean a thing. I'm just hoping you don't delude yourself. And maybe your not. I wish you the best.

Gene

[s_dandy]

Hellooo Claire and everybody at Clarity,

Hmm, as far as what I receive from the new casting 14 talks of favorable proceedings as long as you do not allow for any changes in your attitude towards things. It starts off like the guy probably has various associations (56), but as you seek to gain a sole place at his side the proper opportunity brings itself about (35) for you to express your need to be the only one. With that done, there seems to be the possibility that he?ll try to be the man you?d want him to be, cutting down on other attention distractions and focusing more on you. Possible happiness for some time (19), but eventually if being a wanderer is his true nature then he may have to tend to his calling, maybe not in the intense sense, but as one who needs to tend to those that were forgotten, ?I wonder how so and so is doing?? ; Or ?There can?t be any harm in wishing a happy birthday.? it may seem innocent enough, but once started it probably wont stop. Your reaction to this determines the outcome, being true to yourself works both ways as you can see; if you stick to your guns, I can see him using the innocence (If his nature is to wander and burn; how is he wrong?) of the situation to protect the relationships (minor or major) he has with whoever. If things get too volatile there could be a chance he could ?turn and burn? in response to your demands. And of course if you give in to his playground your head may spin like a merry-go-round; now, will that make you happy?

All that goes with the idea that his desire to wander is stronger than his desire to be true in a relationship, I think that difference is for you to gauge. I just went into both of the readings you got and received my explanation, right now I can?t elaborate on sequences or line relations, but I hope this helps.


-Here?s to Intuition and a whole lotta guesswork-

[claire]

Thanks for all your insights.
You are all great and I truly understand all points of view, specially because people have inner natures and we are in different parts of the world.
Anyway, I love him and want to make it better and better and I feel there is really a true receptivity on his part for it. Since we started our love he is showing real and good beneficial changes on his side and we have been adjusting pretty well.
Although people has their own essence, I feel he is really and truly connected to me in many ways and honestly I am not deluding myself. It is hard though to not ask and think because of the distance so I am always trying to understand things better and the IChing and you all have helped me a lot.
Long distance relationships are hard to deal with so my search of insights and tips to help me to make this a real good one.
I dont really feel by any moment that I am a past-time, but in order to get some more info from the IChing, and because you all were so obvious about it and I really respect your insights and expertise, I decided to ask the IChing if I am just a past-time for him to see what the oracle and you all can tell about it, like if one reading can complement the other, you know?
The answer I got is Hexagram 61, no changing lines.
Any insights?
Love,
Claire.

[val]

Hello again Claire...

The title of Hexagram 61 pretty much says it all...INNER TRUTH. That "I am just a past-time for him" is the inner truth.

It also says, in so many words, that our outer self, our conscious self, often times has great difficulty accepting what our inner self, our unconscious self, knows to be true. That happens for all of us...to one degree or another...about one thing or another. When we discover this ourselves, or are shown by the Yi, we are provided with an opportunity for self-discovery, and self-discovery is the way to true joy and peace. The Yi has provided you with an opportunity for self-discovery.

If you think about it for a minute you will realize that virtually everything in existence is transitory...just passing through...not permanent, but temporary.

Stars burn out over time. River rocks become pebbles as water and time wear them down. Mountains become hills. One of my favorite transitions is that of hot lava...it's heat burns and destroys everything in its path. Once it has interacted with air and water and become cool as the earth's surface, and then with plant life that breaks it down, it becomes rich nourishing soil.

Life itself is transitory. We are born. We live briefly. We die. The people in our lives are, in reality, just passing through. Some soon move on to other people and places, some move on later, and some pass out of our lives through death.

And while they are in our lives, they are continually growing and changing, so that our relationships with them are continually growing and changing...always transiting.

Changes in relationships and loss through those changes are inevitable...and so is the pain that we all feel about loss. We may not like it, but we have to accept it. It's part of life and must be experienced to experience life to its fullest.

So, as S Dandy explained in his response to you, how we handle the transitory nature of life, how we feel ourselves and our capacity to love and be loved...are the important considerations here. Relationships with others, whether they are our children, our elders, our friends, our lovers, provide us with many opportunities to feel joy and to love and be loved.

You have at least three options here, Claire...more if you really sit down and imagine them. One is to stay in the here-and-now in your relationship with this man. Enjoy each moment of joy and loving and being loved the present time brings you without thought to the loss and pain that are inevitable somewhere out there in future time.

Another option would be to end the relationship now while the pain is still small compared to what it will be if you allow your love to grow.

And another would be to focus your thoughts on aspects of his life that do not impact yours or on the pain of loss that is inevitable somewhere out there in future time and live in fear of that pain, thereby missing the opportunities for joy in present time.

The choice is yours. No doubt you'll make the "right" one...for yourself.

Cheerio the noo,

Val

[claire]

Thanks for your insight, it is really interesting.
But if I have to believe in predictions I prefer to believe in what the Oracle tells me so I asked what is the future of this relationship and got
Hexagram 38, changing line 4th.

Any insights about the IChing's prediction?

[hilary]

Michael sent this to me by mistake - here's his post:

Hi there,

This may help - or not.

Michael.

Hex 38 (Relationships)

<FONT COLOR="ff6000">Relationships: In intimate relationships, there is opposition at this time. This too is a lesson. Remain calm and support your partner. Any influence that you can bring to bear must be small and gentle. In doing this the relationship will be stronger when this time has passed, as it must.

Line 4: SOMEONE ELSE LIKE YOU - TRUST BRINGS SUCCESS. You feel isolated, but you will find another person who is going through the same difficulties as you. Possibility even a subordinate. Join together quietly and you will feel less isolated and you will achieve a successful outcome together.</FONT>

However, Hex 38 line 4 leads to 41 'Decrease'.

This may suggest that the relationship has been based on ego needs - which is not a good place to be.

Hex 41 (Relationships)

<FONT COLOR="ff6000">Relationships: Your personal, and especially your intimate relationships, will also go through a period of Decrease. Passion and communication will die down. Your partner may find new interests. Don't allow jealousy to raise its ugly head. You may find new interests. If your partner shows any signs of anxiety at this, offer loving reassurance, but keep it low key, in accord with the times. Allow the relationship to settle into a simpler form. There is still much joy to be had at this level, and remember, the pendulum will swing back, and if you have acted in accordance with the advice given, there will be no need for remorse.</FONT>

[claire]

Ok, Michael!!!
Thank you so much!!!!
Claire.

[frandoch]

Hi Hilary,

My apologies for the error - this is my first time on your site.

Regards,

Michael (Frandoch)

[kiya]

Hello Michael

I was very impressed by the lucid interpretation of Claire's hexagram you posted. I'm not sure, but it looks as if it came from a book??? If so, would you be willing to provide the title and author?

If it's your own interpretation, you have a remarkable gift of clarity and you should write a book yourself!

K

[claire]

I agree that your are very much gifted, Michael!
Thanks again.
Claire.

[frandoch]

Hello Kiya,

Thank you for your comments - yes, it was from a book, as yet unpublished - which I wrote.

The reason why I wrote it is a long story, which I am prepared to share, if anyone is interested.

Michael.

[hilary]

More from Michael:

"Hello Kiya,

Thank you for your comments - yes, it was from a book, as yet unpublished - which I wrote.

The reason why I wrote it is a long story, which I am prepared to share, if anyone is interested.

Michael."


Yes please, I'm interested!

(By the way - I'm afraid you can't reply to email notifications from this board by email, it just doesn't work. You have to follow the link at the end of the message, and post! Not to worry, lots of people do it http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/happy.gif )

[kiya]

Hello Michael

I'm interested, too. And I'll bet many others are, as well. (In the story AND the book, that is!)

K

[sparhawk]

Me three Michael!

What you are doing is very creative.

Cheers,

Luis

[heylise]

And one more -LiSe

[claire]

I am interested too, Michael!
You have a very refreshing and exciting way to interpret the Oracle and I loved it.
Your answer is simple and straight, very much focused on what is being asked and not based on self beliefs.
I am interested in your book and in your story.
Please share it with us.
Claire.

[claire]

By the way, when you say
'Allow the relationship to settle into a simpler form. There is still much joy to be had at this level, and remember, the pendulum will swing back, and if you have acted in accordance with the advice given, there will be no need for remorse.',
are you saying that if I understand the ups and downs of any relationship, including mine, and keep the faith and patience, things will be ok and will be good or what exactly do you mean by your so interesting and kind words?

[frandoch]

Hi Claire

You wrote: "are you saying that if I understand the ups and downs of any relationship, including mine, and keep the faith and patience, things will be ok and will be good or what exactly do you mean by your so interesting and kind words?"

The I Ching is not a 'fortune telling' oracle, because the future is not set in stone. It gives us advice on how to act in order to achieve the best possible outcome in any situation. Now, this outcome, the best possible one, may not be what we 'think' we want - may not be what we think is the best posssible outcome.

I cannot say that by following the advice given by the I Ching, that your relationship will prosper, but I can say that if you follow it's advice, that YOU will prosper - that you will learn and grow.

About 6 years ago, a series of disasters hit me. A long term relationship came to a fairly sudden end - my business went 'belly up' - and to cut a long story short, I moved into an empty house - no furniture, no cooker, no heating, very little money, very little food - and very alone.

This series of disasters has turned out to be the necessary start of the most fruitful period of my life. You see, if you can believe that the Universe is perfect, and that it's unfolding exactly as it should, even if you judge it to be otherwise, then you will realise that everything you experience is also perfection - that it is exactly what you need at this time.

My feeling about your relationship is that you are chasing a mirage. I feel that I want to tell you to enjoy 'what is', in the present moment, without worry or concern about the future. Keep your emotions 'low key' as required by the time of Decrease.

Hex 41 says "Allow the relationship to settle into a simpler form. There is still much joy to be had at this level, and remember, the pendulum will swing back, and if you have acted in accordance with the advice given, there will be no need for remorse."

I feel this says it all. I don't know you, or your situation, so I can only tell you what I feel. I get the impression that you are wanting another human being to change - into what you want, or think you want. You have no right to do that. If this is the case, then your efforts will be counter-productive. The very pressure that you may be applying will force the other away from you.

The pendulum will swing back - it always does - but not necessarily within this relationship, although that may happen. The time of Decrease will pass. If you do as the text advises, you will be preparing the ground for the coming Spring in your life. So, relax, enjoy what you've got, and let the unfolding continue.

Be gentle with yourself,

Michael.

[claire]

Michael, you are absolutely great and I loved your words and so wise approach to my feelings and relationship.
Yes, you are very very right about everything you said. I dont want to change no one, that would not be fair, but sometimes I worry about future, it is a typical behaviour I have, not only on relationships but in life in general - which is totaly unwise because I know that nothing is written on stone and all things change.
Your words were really wise and they really touched me because I havent, not even for a single moment, felt any kind of judgemental behaviour in your words and feelings about my relationship and the one I love.
You are a very lovely man for sure and I am sure that all the down things that you passed in your past made you a better person.
I will keep your advice into my heart, I will relax, enjoy what I have and let the unfolding continue as I adjust to keep my anxiety in a low level and be a better person.
The Universe works at our favour and I feel blessed by the relationship I have, because although I have for many times felt really anxious about it, I must admit that the joy it brings to me is much more wonderful that any kind of stress that is sometimes connected to it.
I want the best for me and for everyone. I love this man and I also want the best for him. My relationship with him is really special and I guarantee I am doing my part and will enjoy the ride with a light, passionate, deep and warm heart - because this is my nature.
I thank you so much because you showed me a fresh and refreshing way to adjust my focus about it and about my inner self and the way I am in my relationships.
I always have great expectations about people, Michael. This is my nature and I feel you captured my soul just the way it is.
I will enjoy the ride, as I said, there is for sure very much joy in this relationship and I will live it the way it is and the way it is given to me.
Thanks so much for your insight. Your words were kind, wise and also very much lovely.
I thank you so much for have been so gentle with me.
Love,
Claire.

[frandoch]

Hi Claire,

Thank you for your kind words, but always remember that it was the Yi talking through me.

I'm glad to have been able to help you.

Love and Light,

Michael (Frandoch)

[claire]

Yes Michael, the IChing talked through you, but the oracle definitely found someone really gifted for it!

Claire.

[claire]

I was talking to a friend of mine about the IChing and she told me that although she is good in undertand its advice she always feel odd when has to interpret the hexagrams and answers when it is about relationship questions, so I told her how wonderful this forum is.
She doesnt have a computer but she asked me if I could do her a favour and here I am again.
She asked the Oracle if the man she loves love her too and she got Hexagram 51, no changing lines. Can you please interpret this for me and I will pass the answer to her?

Thanks.

[martin]

Hi Claire,

Hexagram 51 is a surprising answer in this context. Does he (or she?) feel shocked, shaken in his (her) being?
51 may also indicate strong desires and perhaps competition and fighting (much like mars in astrology).
I don't know if this is "love", but it certainly is something ...

About the hexagrams 38 and 41 that you got earlier: I think 38 is mainly about individual freedom or space in a relationship. To much freedom would lead to estrangement. On the other hand, if there isn't enough space the relationship is smothering. It is often not easy to find a balance.
41, as I see it, is about giving.

38 + 41 = "give space" ?

Martin (back from Greece)

[frandoch]

<FONT COLOR="0000ff"><U>How and Why did Frandoch write his ?Beginner?s Guide to the I Ching??</U>

My childhood was bizarre to say the least, but we needn?t go there. From an early age, about 10/11, I realised I needed some answers. Either there was a reason for it, or it was a sick joke by some higher being, or we truly are random acts of chance, without meaning or purpose.

The last two didn?t feel right, and could only lead to despair and a possible decision to stop playing this game - been there. Instead I embarked on a quest for answers. I studied the western religions, but they didn?t speak to me. I turned then to the eastern philosophies, which made more sense, but weren?t the whole answer I was searching for.

I have always had a communication link with something greater than me - could be my subconscious, unconscious, collective unconscious , spirit - whatever, but it seems to provide answers. As I seem to connect with its female aspect, I?ll call it She.

Don?t get me wrong, it?s not a case of my asking and Her answering - Oh no - that would be too simple. I have to grapple with a problem, sometimes for years, and She?ll awaken me one night at about 3 a.m., when She knows the human being is at its lowest ebb, with an answer. There it is, in its often obscure entirety.

Anyway, one night, I was awakened at the appointed hour, with the suggestion that I look at a particular Sufi teaching story involving the Mulla Nasrudin, a wise idiot.

?Someone saw Nasrudin searching for something on the ground. ?What have you lost Mulla??, he asked. ?My key,? said the Mulla. So they both went down on their knees and looked for the key.
After a time, the other man asked: ?Where exactly did you drop it ??
?In my house.?
?Then why are we looking here ??
?There is more light here.?

I thought ?Crazy woman.? And ignored it and Her. We sometimes converse during the day, out loud, She using my voice, but it?s a different personality. Fortunately I live alone, or a partner might have me carted off by men in white coats. But this isn?t my ego playing tricks - it's not a case of multiple personalities - this creature often gives me a hammering, especially if She thinks I?m being stubborn, or that I'm letting my ego take charge - making Louise and her ruler pale into insignificance.

I carried on searching and becoming more frustrated, when, one night, I was awakened again. She said:?Why are you such a stubborn fool - I?ve given you the answer.? So back I went to the story and realised what it was telling me. I had it all inside me. I?d been looking in the wrong place. You may think that it was obvious, but remember I was about 15, and it was in the 1950s when mythical and esoteric stuff was hardly ?de rigueur?.

At about this time, a wise elderly friend of the family gave me a copy of the Wilhelm/Baynes I Ching. I must have glanced at it and looked at him quizzically because I remember him saying: ?You will understand in time.?

Part 2 to follow.</FONT>

[claire]

When the IChing was asked if a man loves a woman as much and truly as he says with his words, the oracle said hexagram 61, changing line 6.
Please, translate what the oracle said.
I would like to hear you all, including Michael's insight.
Thanks.

[heylise]

?A drawn-out sound ascends to heaven?, nothing about good or bad. But then ?determination, pitfall?
As if the sound is wrong when it lasts.

Maybe: she should not continue listening to words, but listen to her intuition, her own feelings. Trust belongs to feelings, words belong to knowledge, but very often knowledge has little to do with facts. Words can stay for a long time, when the moment of their truth has long since passed, and the words become obsolete.
Feelings change with every new moment.

The line says ?determination pitfall?: following a set course is not good, every moment is new and should be handled as a new moment.

It changes to 60.6, about bitter restraint, which should not last. Hex.60 has also to do with time, with the segments of it. Now is not yesterday, is not tomorrow. Give the heart the freedom to live every moment as it is. Without fixed ideas, but open to what happens right now. So if he tells her how much he loves her, that is now. Tomorrow is another day, other feelings. She cannot build a life on words of one day. But she can build it on feelings of many days and weeks, which tell her how someone is. The most important thing is not his love for her, but her love for him. Is it not just ?being in love?, but is it based on a real deep trust, because she has seen over and over again he can be trusted?

LiSe

[louise]

Last time I got that line I'd gotten involved in a tangled web of miscommunications and was trying to think of ways to extricate myself - trying to think of things to say that would get me out of the ----. I took it as a definite indication it would be a good idea to remain silent. I did and the whole thing resolved itself. That was one time when the Yi was of definite practical use to me.

In the instance you have given I think it does indicate someone trying to reach somewhere by the use of words/crowing alone. Words alone can't always be taken. You can know someone loves you without it ever being spoken, and someone can tell you they love you a million times a day, yet you don't feel it. It can be confusing.

[frandoch]

Hi Claire,

I am reminded of something that happened to Mahatma Ghandi. He boarded a train in India and was sitting next to the 'window', and as the train began to move, a follower ran alongside, handed Ghandi a paper bag and a pencil, and said: 'Please tell us your message.'

Ghandi wrote and handed the bag back - written on the bag were the words: 'My life is my message.'

Line 6 tells us that the person concerned may have 'the gift of the gab' but overuses it. Words are of little value - it's actions that count.

And if your friend has to ask the question: 'Do you love me?', based on feelings of insecurity and the need for reassurance, then the true answer is probably 'No.' She should go for 'Inner Truth' or 'Insight'. If she goes inside herself, feels what her body is telling her, there she will find the answer.

Hex 61.6 changes to

Hex 60:

<FONT COLOR="0000ff">Relationships: There is a danger of extremes in your relationships. Extremes of promises, commitments and probably passion. You may also be harbouring extreme expectations of both your self and your partner. You may be entertaining ideal aspirations of what the relationship should be, and of both your parts in it. These are probably unattainable and their pursuit will cause tensions. Set limits on your expectations. Accept what you both are and work within that. By being realistic in your expectations you can achieve far more.</FONT>

Michael F.

[claire]

Great insights!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks. I will tell my friend, she would love it all.
If anyone else is willing to share some thoughts, I am sure she'll appreciate it very much.
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[anita]

Claire,

It doesn't seem to me at all that he means what he says.

Best for your Quest

Anita

[yellowblue]

Michael F.,

An old thread, true, but when we retrace our steps it can sometimes bring us back to a place that is a pivotal point.

I was looking for something and instead found what I needed. For the first time in well over a year tears came to my eyes after reading your past posts. I needed and was able to especially relate to them just now.

What a great heart and soul you have. And what a subtle way of infusing so much wisdom.

You have such a great gift and you are a blessing to all of us.

Deb

[yellowblue]

P.S.

I reviewed many posts from various threads, although I was caught in your How and Why did Frandoch write his ?Beginner?s Guide to the I Ching??


Deb

[frandoch]

Deb,

Thank you for your kind words. I had to chuckle when I read that I was a blessing 'to all of you'. I rather doubt that. http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/biggrin.gif

I have learned a lot from my life experiences, and I enjoy sharing what I've learned. I also enjoy input from others, even when they disagree - perhaps especially when they disagree. That makes me think again, and sometimes I will adjust what I think, to accommodate the new learning - a never ending process.

About my book. It will be published initially as an e-book. I have mentioned elsewhere that it is currently in final edit, design and layout. I have discussed with my designer, and we have agreed a target date for publication of 1st October. I will post details nearer that time.

Thank you for your interest.

Michael F.