Hex 13 to 58...twice

[val]

Hi there...

Just got home from my trip to Philly. While I was there I asked two different questions two days apart, and got the same answer for both of them: Hex 13/2.3.6 to 58. They were both about work...once about my efforts to change direction and the second time about my current job.

My gut is telling me the Yi didn't answer either one but is telling me something I need to know rather than something I want to know. I'd love to hear your feelings on this.

Thanks!

Val

[martin]

Perhaps the main message is "friendship gives joy"?
Or: "you have seen now how important friendship is for you - it gives you joy, remember that"?

Makes (non)sense?

Martin http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/spin.gif

[val]

Hi there Martin...

Again...pressed for time, so please pardon me if this response seems curt. Succinct is my intention here, but not curt.

Thanks so much for your thoughts.

Honestly, I don't believe that's what the Yi was telling me, but it's close. That's too much a given...at least for me, and I don't think the Yi is given to stating the given...if you get my drift...*grin*

Because of answers I've gotten since, I do believe it has to do with the steps I'm taking to get what I want. It came up when I was in Philadelphia with a bunch of New Yorkers and Angelenos, so I suspect it's all about networking.

Cheerio the noo,

Val

[learner]

Dear Val,

I am under the impression that you may be having some difficulty in getting into the ?fellowship?. It might mean either a feeling of mistrust about others or not being wholehearted in the work environment.
I think this is a kind of basic interpretation, maybe simplistic, I am afraid, but it was the first idea that struck me when I read your post.

Hope this helps,
Learner

[megabobby]

i'm guessing that being isolated from friends is the big issue in this...hope this helps

[val]

Hi everyone...

Thank you Learner. There's some truth in your interpretation. The only problem with it, and a problem in general with interpreting the Yi is that it isn't always talking about "me"...for any of us. Hexagram 20, I believe, talks about the dangers of "seeing" every interpretation as about "me."

Your interpretation, however, helped me to understand what the Yi was telling me...something that happened outside myself but affected me. I'll explain below.

Thank you Megabobby. When I first read your name in email, I was just starting my first cup of coffee of the morning and, in my early morning haze, "read" Megabooby. I thought "What character in this name!" Oh well. At any rate, your interpretation just sort of cemented what Learner said.

Here's what the Yi was telling me. I don't know how long you have been reading this forum, Learner and Megabobby, and I don't know if you're aware of my strong intuition and receptivity, but I've discussed it in other threads. I have a connection with people I am close to...friends, family, people I've worked with for awhile, and I feel when they feel strong feelings toward me...no matter their distance from me. I've had this gift/curse as long as I can remember. When I feel their feelings I call it my "stranger feeling"...a name I came up with when I was a child because even back then I "knew" when the feeling inside me didn't belong to me...was a stranger to me.

On my last day of work before I started my vacation, I started getting my stranger feeling. It was rather ominous, but I didn't feel any personal danger in it. I continued to get it my first few days in Philadelphia and sensed it had something to do with my job back here. I didn't let it bother me because I know that whatever happens is always for the best. So whenever it hit me, I just let it pass and then went on hugging and kissing and laughing and playing with my family.

When I arrived my first morning back at work after my vacation...right after I posted my question about 13 to 58...my workmate and friend who I affectionately call "Mr A Birder" (he's an avid birdwatcher and nature lover whose license plate reads "A Birder") was not there to greet me as usual, but my immediate supervisor was in his place. She filled me in on what had happened.

You may not know it if you're new to this forum, but cicumstances have had me a holding pattern in a town that is in its death throes. The Yi has been a source of comfort and good advice not to act rashly while in this holding pattern. The company I work for here is the backbone of this town, and it's about to go under. The layoffs have been huge. The company is so desperate to curtail costs to stay alive that they've even shut off lights to try save money. Our division, the retail division, had not been hit by the many cutbacks because we're one of the few income generating divisions, however...

We got hit while I was on vacation. Mr A Birder was laid off. He was the one who opened my facility for me every morning. My facility is on the river and surrounded by nature, and every morning we would greet each other..."Good morning Mr A Birder"...."Good morning Grandma" and then chat about the heron feeding on the bank of the river or the hawks circling overhead or the geese and ducks who made their nests nearby or the pink rose mallows and crimson-eyed rose mallows blooming over the water or our families or whatever...and we developed a very close bond.

Although I was already in the process of moving on...preparing, his loss in my workplace was all the more incentive to get moving on quickly. All I could think about when I heard the news was to work on my resume as soon as I got home from work that night. And that's just what I did. I worked on it until the Yi said of it Hex 45.

Of course, his being laid off had a huge impact on my job and the feelings toward me by my immediate supervisor while I was gone as well. She had assigned him to follow through with the shipping of a project I had prepared before leaving, and I had briefed him (AND one other employee, K, as an extra precaution) on the specifics of the project. Unfortunately, no one advised her (my immediate supervisor) in advance that he was being laid off, so when it came time to ship the product, he was suddenly gone and she did not know the "what, where and when" of it. She asked K if she knew, and...in her shock I suppose...K said she didn't...*shrugs shoulders* So...until she sorted things out in her heart and mind, my immediate supervisor directed her anger toward me for going on vacation rather than toward the division head (who she dared not feel anger toward) for laying off her assistant, Mr A Birder, without giving her advance notice.

By the time I returned to work, however, she had had time to calm down and look at the events rationally and had realized that I'd given at least 110% on the project, so she was quite appreciative of my hard work and congenial when she greeted me.

Nonetheless, Mr A Birder is gone, I'm sad, I have no reason to tarry here a moment longer, and I'm moving on as quickly as I can. I've posted my resume on the internet, paid extra to have it stand out among and above the rest, have been searching sites for jobs matching my experience and skills set in the Northeast, signed up for email notification, read much good advice on how to ace interviews and will post and search in more places and read more interview advice as soon as I say "cheerio the noo" in this post.

So...if any of you have read this far in this rather long post and know of good sites or leads for jobs, I would greatly appreciate it if you would email me or post your tips and tricks here. I'm looking for a desktop publisher position in Philadelphia (preferrably) or NYC. THANK YOU!

Cheerio the noo,

Val

[joang]

Hi, Val.
You probably already know this, but you can check the ads online at www.philly.com/careerbuilder.

Does desktop publishing come under information technology? If so, there is a Tech Fest recruitment event at the Hilton on September 10. It's open to all candidates with IT backgrounds, no entry-level positions. I wish you luck.

Namaste,
Joan G.

[learner]

Hello Val,

Yes, I am quite new in this forum and I have not read the previous posts about difficulties in your professional area. I had no idea about those feelings of yours towards other people, either. But I found really interesting how the I Ching addressed the problem in your work environment with Hex 13. I do agree that the lines were a kind of premonition of what was about to happen, the lay off and such. But it seems to me that somehow the reading was simultaneously reflecting your insight that you could not trust the ?fellowship? anymore as well as your feeling that the warmth in your work environment had been lost, leading you to find difficult to keep your commitment and your heart there.
Unfortunately, I have no suggestions to add to your job search, because I live in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, and I am traveling to Oxford, UK, in 25 days to study there for a while.
But I am sure that those changes that are about to happen in your life are for your own good and you will feel more comfortable and happier in the near future.

All the best,
Sincerely,
Learner

[val]

Hi there JoanG...

Are you in Philly by any chance? If so, I absolutely love your city. It's so much more than I really expected. I expected predominantly "blue collar" after listening to hours and hours and years and years of Bruce Springsteen, and instead I found art, art, art...everywhere I turned someone was creating or displaying art. I was in absolute heaven, having been 'stuck' in this poor little town without a single art gallery or art museum for the past two years.

Yes, I found the notice about the job fair yesterday on careerbuilder.com. I was tempted to just pack up and move out now and be there in time for the job fair and 'settle' for any kind of job, but the Yi is not so encouraging. It told me 11.5 to 5. The relationship and attitude in the job in line 5 sound great to me, so waiting in peace is what I will do instead.

Desktop publishing is such a new and nebulous job title that it's difficult to place it...arts and entertainment? IT? In fact, I just came from posting in the message boards on monster.com because they have a feature which is a written interview that I think will enhance my chances of getting a job from there but...they don't list desktop publisher in the job titles in the interview section. They do, however, in the resume classification section...*scratching head in confusion* So I posted asking the staff to add it because the desktop publisher job functions are quite a bit different than graphic designer job functions, and graphic designer is not a suitable substitute job title.

At any rate, if you're in Philly or nearby, as I love your posts and what they say about you, I would love to meet you if and when I finally get up there.

Hi there Learner...

Rio de Janiero!?! What a beautiful city and country you live in! I have friends from Brazil...a very musical family. I love the music they create, and the love they give their friends and family.

And what a beautiful country you're going to. It's going to be quite different for you. I hope you enjoy it!

Actually, the Yi didn't have the premonition in the line. I did with my stranger feeling. I just couldn't see what was going to happen, only had the awareness that something was happening in the workplace. I started getting my feeling early Weds. and Mr A Birder was laid off Friday. I did ask the Yi what my stranger feeling was about on Friday when it was strongest and most frequent, and it said hex 23 to something I can't remember. I decided not to worry about it because I knew it wasn't about my family and my time with them and that's all I really cared about so forgot about it.

I didn't get 13 to 58 until after Mr A Birder was laid off. And I strongly suspect it was addressing my immediate supervisor. If you've read many of my posts or my story in the 50 to 8 thread, then you know I don't have a problem with trust. I have laid myself out, naked and exposed, in this forum. It's easy for me to do so because I don't invest myself in others. I take full personal responsibility, so trust never becomes an issue. I don't believe I've ever had trust issues where friends or workmates are concerned. Any trust issues I've ever had were about much more intimate relationships, and I got over those getting to the root of my fear of marriage in the 50 to 8 thread.

That's why I couldn't relate to your interpretation. It didn't fit "me" at all. It was totally foreign. I didn't answer immediately because I had to leave it alone until I could make sense of it. I know trust issues when I see them in behaviors and hear them in the language people use. And it does fit my immediate supervisor. That makes sense to me. She's scared to death for her job. She has big time trust issues. And, for that reason, she and I can never form a close bond. That's where I can relate to your interpretation...her. She had really big time trust issues while I was gone. She was scared to death and angry.

Also, as a little more background, I came to this town two years ago. It was intended to be a three month sojourn on my way to the rest of my life, but things happened and plans changed, and I ended up here longer than I'd hoped. It's always remained a temporary situation, however. I've never been committed to the town or the company I work for. My only commitment is to myself...to my need to enjoy my work and do my best. I feel there is nobility in all work, and no matter what kind of work I'm doing, I apply myself to the task, heart, mind and soul, focus and do my best. And that commitment is still there. I will enjoy myself and do my best until the day I leave the job. It just won't be quite as enjoyable without Mr A Birder. And then I'll do the same on the next job.

Thank you so much for the food for thought. I do love thinking...*grin*

Cheerio the noo,

Val

[val]

Learner...

Omagod! It just hit me. *slapping forehead* As I suspected and said in my original post, the Yi wasn't answering my questions. They weren't telling me what I wanted to know, but what I needed to know. That reading was about someone I haven't thought about in awhile. The Yi has told me in the past he has trust issues. I've tried and tried to regain his trust, but all my efforts have been for naught...or so it seems...so I gave up trying. I let him go. I just couldn't see myself sitting in a rocker in the old folks home years from now typing away messages to him that I can be trusted now. I'd rather be at an easel painting away at that point in my life. So that's the direction I've been focusing my attention. And here I've been thinking the Yi was through talking about him. HA!

The interesting thing about the sixth changing line in 13 is that one interpretation is:
"The companions trust one another, even when they are far apart. But the fact that the beloved is in a distant place means that the association is still not fulfilled; the time of true brotherhood of man has not yet arrived. But there is hope and no occasion for reproach."

He's in England...not far from where you're going to be in 25 days...a distant place from me here in Virginia. It was your comment about going to England that flicked the switch to the lightbulb for me.

If you come across any of my posts where I express the remorse I feel for the way I treated him when he tried to propose marriage, then you'll know exactly what the Yi is saying to me...that he does trust me. So something else is holding him back now. It's not me. I let him go, and left the door open. He can come through it anytime.

If the Yi still thinks we should be reunited, they're going to have to nudge him to do it...just like they nudged me to get over my fear of marriage (it was my fear of marriage that motivated me to respond so negatively to his proposal of marriage). I love him very much. He's a very special man. I am blessed to be loved the way he loves me. I can easily imagine being married to him and spending the rest of my life with him (I was actually headed to England to be close to him and try to get past my fear there when I stopped here). But I can't and won't even try to make his choices for him. I've told him my choice. That's the most I can do.

Cheerio the noo,

Val

[tashiiij]

wow val. (another gasp. fingers crossed.)

[learner]

Dear Val,

Hello there? I was here scratching my head and thinking how I missed the point in my first interpretation of the fellowship in the Hex 13, the trust issue and such, trying to understand more and more the messages from the I Ching in order not to let myself to be astray, when I saw your second post. I am very glad to know that my comment about going to England ?flicked the switch to the light bulb", as you say!
Well, after all the reading ended up fitting into the situation, in a way or another. I am quite relieved, to tell you the truth, because, as you know, I am still a learner of the mysterious ways of I Ching interpretation, which sometimes seem too metaphorical to me and, I must say, quite often elusive.
Well, if HE is in England at the moment and you are in Virginia there is only an ocean between you. But what is an ocean after all? *grin* As you can see, I am romantic and truly believe that nothing is impossible for true love. You have probably already seen here my ?sighs and sobs? because a love recently lost. *grin*. I hope I am going to get over that leaving Brazil for a while and being really concentrated on my studies in Oxford.
May I tell you a story? The man I deeply love ?and who does not love me- is from England and is living here in Brazil at the moment. This did not help our relationship at all and now I am the one who is leaving. That is why I told you that an ocean means nothing when it comes to real love. I would just say here that perhaps those are the mysterious ways of life.

All the best,
Learner

PS: Glad to hear you like brazilian music.

[val]

Hi again Learner...

Oh your interpretation was the key alright. I just had put him out of my mind, and it didn't relate.

I hope your move to England helps. I hope you meet someone new and exciting at Oxford, who gives you the love you deserve. Yes I've heard your heart breaking here. And I've felt sad for you. But there's really nothing I could say or do that would help. When it hurts, it hurts, and nothing but time will heal your wounds. So I've kept quiet.

Brazilian music is beautiful. I have a CD here that my Brazilian friends made, and I love listening to it. But it's nothing compared to being with them at parties when they all get together with their guitars and other instruments and play and sing.

You know what's really interesting now that I think about it. Now that you've got me thinking about him...*grin* This wonderful man in England is a printer...a very talented printer. He knows his stuff. His knowledge of color is daunting. He's also very talented at design. And he would be the perfect partner for a desktop publisher...don't you think? *grin* He'd be that perfect partner in line 5 of Hex 11. I could learn so much from him...in a loving environment. I don't know though. I love looking at him. I'm afraid I'd enjoy watching him work so much I wouldn't be able to focus on my own tasks...*grin*

*snapping out of the daydream and back to reality* But he's not here. He's not communicating with me, so time to put him out of my mind again. I do hope, though, the Yi finds a way to nudge him into contacting me again. We'd be brilliant together. In the meantime, I'm going back to the job boards and looking for other potential partners in line 5 of hex 11...rather than watch my skin wrinkle with old age waiting for him.

Cheerio the noo,

Val

[val]

Tashiiij...

If I hear from him again, I'll let you know immediately...so that you can uncross your fingers...*grin*

Thanks so much for your warm and loving wishes...*bigger grin*

Cheerio the noo,

Val

NOW back to the job boards!

[val]

Hey Martin...

You still there? It just dawned on. Now your interpretation makes perfect sense as well.

THANKS!

Cheerio the noo,

Val

[martin]

Hey Val,

Yes, still here! And busy, guess what, I'm also looking for another job!
I had to give up my teaching job because of health problems. Now I'm running out of money and have to find something else, but my health is still not what it should be.
It feels like I'm trapped sometimes. Then I http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/biggrin.gif and everything is OK.

About your 13 to 58, I'm glad that my guess makes sense after all, although I had not idea what was involved. Lucky guess!
So many pointers to England, your beloved is there, Learner goes to Oxford and this site is also English, Hilary lives in Oxford-shire if I remember correctly, is that near Oxford?
Perhaps we should all go there and meet? <grin>
I planned to go to England next week, to visit a friend, but had to cancel the trip.
Again because of my health http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/angry.gif http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/biggrin.gif.

Anyway, I hope you'll find what you are looking for, I trust you will.
Good luck and be blessed,
Cheerio the noo (learned that from you http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/biggrin.gif)

Martin

[joang]

Dear Val,
thank you for the compliments. I would like to reply further via e-mail so as not to bore our friends here, but I don't know where to find your address. My main one is joangarro@comcast.net.

TTYL...
Joan

[val]

EGAD Martin...

I'm so sorry to hear about your health...very sorry because it sounds like something long term and rather serious if you had to give up teaching.

I'm sending up prayers for a speedy recovery for you today, and I invite anyone reading this post to join me in sending prayers and positive thoughts for Martin's well-being. The more who join in, the louder the voice.

And Martin, thank you for all you've done for me.

Cheerio the noo,

Val

[learner]

Dear friends,

Val, hello again, I am glad to know about Hex 11 moving fifth line, which is amazingly wonderful, meaning creative activity, love, encounter with other people, you name it.
I have been wondering about your story regarding HIM and it just popped into my mind if it would not be up to you take the first step to tie the bonds again, to make the communication between you flows one more time. It is just an idea bouncing around, nothing specific. I am just making a strong defence of love here *grin* but, of course, you have to be realistic as well.
I am not sure at all if a kind of partnership with someone so talented would prevent you to keep your focus on your own work.
Anyway, perhaps you should ask the I Ching and see the results.

Martin, yes, it would be lovely all of us meeting in Oxford. *grin*. Take care of you.

All the best,
Mirian

[sparhawk]

Hey Val:

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Are you in Philly by any chance? If so, I absolutely love your city. It's so much more than I really expected. I expected predominantly "blue collar" after listening to hours and hours and years and years of Bruce Springsteen, and instead I found art, art, art...everywhere I turned someone was creating or displaying art. I was in absolute heaven, having been 'stuck' in this poor little town without a single art gallery or art museum for the past two years.<!-/Quote-!><HR SIZE=0></BLOCKQUOTE>

I wasn't going to say this, but.... Before you visited Philly, I TOLD YOU SO!! http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/happy.gif

Philly is a great city for somebody that's artistically inclined. If I hadn't had my Philly home rented you could've been mi future tenant. It is about 7 blocks east of the Art Museum and about 10 blocks north of Center City...

Glad you liked the city. Just one caveat about working in Philly: the City Wage Tax stands at about 4.5% for city residents and about 3.90% for non residents working in the city. That's on top of your State and Federal taxes...

Cheers,

Luis

[val]

Learner...

I love you. You are such a giving woman. I just took your advice when I read your post in email, and here I am with the casting I just got from the Yi.

I asked, "Should I attempt to make contact again?" and the answer was 26/1.6 to 46. I haven't even looked at the changing lines yet. I put it here first for both of us (and anyone else who wants to try) to put our heads together and see what the Yi is telling me.

THANKS!

Cheerio the noo,

Val

[val]

LMAO! I already got my answer quite clearly, but as I remain open minded, I'm not posting anything until I hear what you have to say.

Cheerio the noo,

Val

[val]

Hi there Luis...

Not to mention...one of Van Gogh's "Sunflowers" is on long term exhibit there at the art museum. I held my 3-1/2 month old grandson up in front of the painting and talked about the strokes and colors and form and how they all came together to make a beautiful work of art. However...

later, we looked at a Renoir painting of a little girl...I think her name was Adelphine...not sure...and he couldn't take his eyes off her. He's at the age where babies study faces, and he sure studied hers...*grin* I thought it was great that, at an early age, he had the opportunity to see and study a great artist's impression of a face.

We also went to the Curtis Publishing Bldg. and looked at the Louis Tiffany/Maxfield Parrish mural. What a special treat that was for me, as I love them both, and the mural is simply magnificent. I saw so much more art there, of course, but if I were to list it all here, I'd create another one of my never-ending posts. The city is just full of wonderful visual treats. Even City Hall is a work of art.

Thanks for the heads-up on the city tax. I will keep that in mind in my salary calculations.

Cheerio the noo,

Val

[martin]

Hi Val,

Thank you very much for your prayers. It's indeed a longterm problem and it's not new. It started to manifest already years ago and since then it comes and goes, with different symptoms.
At the moment I have an irregular hearth rhythm and sometimes (near) blackouts because there is not enough sugar in my blood.
Friends say that it is perhaps not an illness but a mystical thing, my DNA is changing too fast or something like that!
Anyway, I'm still on the planet, it's apparently not life threatening.

I will look into your new hexagrams later this evening.

Again, thanks!
Smoooch *grin*

Martin

[martin]

By the way, Val, you said EGAD ...

Acronymfinder.com gives 3 definitions:

EGAD Electric Power Generation and distribution
EGAD Electronic Ground Automatic Destruct
EGAD Evaluation Group for Analysis of Data

http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/biggrin.gif

Now, which one is it?

[sparhawk]

Now Martin, are you an engineer?? http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/happy.gif

Most likely Val refers to:

Main Entry: egad
Pronunciation: i-'gad
Variant(s): or egads /-'gadz/
Function: interjection
Etymology: probably euphemism for oh God
Date: 1673
-- used as a mild oath
==============

Now, I really like "Electronic Ground Automatic Destruct"!! http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/happy.gif

Luis

[martin]

At first I also thought that "oh God" was intended, but discarded it because Acronymfinder.com didn't mention it.

Hehe, yes, Electronic Ground Automatic Destruct is funny.
I like cruel jokes!

[val]

I'll just sit here grinning and let you boys fight it out if you don't mind.

*grin*

Cheerio the noo,

Val

[martin]

Oh, MYGAD, she is watching us ...

[martin]

Hi grinning Val,

26 to 46, oh these lines, line 1 of 26 is a no, line 6 (later)is probably a yes.
Together: not now, but yes in the (near) future, perhaps you can feel it when the time is right for you.
Line 1 sometimes refers to motives. The message could be: first be sure that you really want this.

I think 46 is also a yes.
So my guess is yes yes yes, but don't hurry, one step at a time.
Maybe 46 also asks a question: what will you do after you make contact?
So, apart from a question about motives there is perhaps a question about consequences.
As if the I Ching says: OK, yes, it's possible, but this is a big step, don't be too impulsive.

Makes sense?

Martin

[martin]

Nigel Richmond has a different opinion about line 1 of 26.
"There is a natural strong flow into action. It doesn't need preparing"

In contrast with Legge: "It will be advantageous for him to stop his advance"
And Wilhelm/Baynes: "It furthers one to desist"

I think Nigel has a point, but I don't know why.
Two possibilities:
- Ahem, I feel intuitively that he is right.
- I'm biased. When it's about love, I don't like it when somebody says "stop, wait, first think".
Love is impulsive and "first think" is the voice of fear, isn't it?

OK, I'm biased ...

[val]

Hiya Martin...

Well I have a different take on the reading than you do. But then I have the advantage of knowing the Yi's response to my feelings about spending my time looking for work in Philadelphia rather than beating a dead horse. And that response is 15/3.4 to 16.

One interpretation of line 1 of 26 that seems to address the situation well (I'll change the gender):

The woman who wishes to go forward boldly, but who sees that circumstances oppose her, is wise not to attempt to overcome them. Waiting patiently, she will find that the situation is bound to change.

I have contacted him. I have bared my soul to him. I shared that entire growth experience with him...except for the last deep dig into my feelings about watching my parents blame each other for not protecting my brother...because I'd let go of him by then. I have told him of my feelings of love, remorse and forgiveness. I have told him what I would have liked to see happen between us. I can't imagine what else I could or would possibly tell him.

The Yi has told me in more ways than one that he is torn between doing what he wants and what he thinks is right. The Yi has also told me he will eventually figure out that what he wants is actually what is right. The Yi has told me that he's withdrawing although he'd rather not, and, of course, the Yi has told me 13 to 58. There's no reason to make contact any more, and that's what line 1 says. It might help to know that I had no desire to contact him when I threw the coins. I did it for Learner's peace of mind. One can only beat a dead horse for so long before one becomes exhausted. I'm exhausted. Line 6 tells me, as a result of not contacting him and focusing my energies toward finding work in Philadelphia, heaven will bless me with great success, and I will achieve 46.

Furthermore, I believe contacting him at this point in time...when he's not been responsive...would be nothing more than a control thing...trying to control the situation. Love can't be controlled. I think my best option is to just let the situation evolve of its own, and go on doing what I want to do with my life...with or without him. If it's meant to be, the powers that be will make it happen.

That's my take on it. Would love to hear your thoughts on my thoughts...*grin*

Cheerio the noo,

Val

[val]

Hi Martin...

Just got your email after I posted this last one.

I think the natural flow of action for me is to continue in the direction I'm going.

And it's not about fear any more. Not my fear any way. I've opened the door for him...wide, and I've beckoned him to enter. I can't go out there and push him in. He has to use his own two feet to walk in.

Cheerio the noo,

Val

[martin]

Hi Val,

Ha, the I Ching apparently addressed your life as a whole and not just this issue.
The I Ching often does that.
I know, ultimately the other has to decide and love and control are mutually exclusive.
If she/he doesn't want she/he doesn't want. Free will is the most important thing in the universe.
Difficult lesson, I hope I have learned it by now, I'm not too sure ...

But what a pity, I saw you crossing the ocean and marry.. and .. and ..., what do you think, am I too romantic?

Martin (sob)

[val]

Martin...

Looking at a desktop publisher job in Exton, PA at the moment...too far from Philadelphia...still looking.

Eeeeerrrkkkk....rewind the tape on your vision...take 2...

It would have to be him that crosses the ocean, not me. And that's something I don't think he'd have a problem with...if he didn't have a problem with doing what he wants.


Val

[learner]

Dear Val,

I am scared to death to give my interpretation of Hex 26 first and sixth moving lines, but since I am the one who put forward the proposal here now I have to bear the consequences. *grin*. So, there we go.
To the best of my knowledge, the first line does mean some restraint, but it also holds the idea of improvement, perhaps an indication that if things are not ready to be successfully completed they are on their course. The sixth top line seems to describe a way completely out of obstruction, meaning that everything that has been so long restrained is now flowing, on the move again. In your situation, it might mean having an effective communication and expressing affection after some time. It appears that there is a development from the first line until the sixth, leading to a good result.
Hexagram 46, as you know as well as I do, is about growth with some effort, meaning that nothing is going to fall from heaven *grin* and something has to be done to put the ideas into action.
Oh my God, it seems to me that the I Ching is saying that you have a strong chance of success in making contact with him and enjoying the relationship again.

I think that Martin is wonderfully biased. And I am probably biased as well but I can not think about any other interpretation for this lines. God helps me because you are going to kill me, but if I were you I would heed the advice.

By reading your last post, I am already considering myself hit by a strong lightning.

All the best,
Learner

[martin]

I'll just sit here grinning and let you girls fight it out if you don't mind.

*grin*

Cheerio the noo,

Martin http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/biggrin.gif

(Mirian, don't worry, Val loves you)

[val]

Dear Learner...

If a lightening bolt comes your way, I'll jump out and stop it. I wouldn't want anything to happen to you!

I've hit those obstructions in line 1, so I'm going to wait patiently as it advises. I've already been there, done that, and it wasn't that long ago. It was when I was going through all those long buried emotions. He was contacted alright. He was contacted from the deepest part of my self. And I haven't heard a peep out of him.

Cheerio the noo,

Val

[val]

LMAO Martin...

I just saw your post. You crack me up.

Cheerio the noo,

Val

[martin]

Hi Val,

Nice, you crack me up, I crack you up, where does it end? The sky is the limit.
I'm beginning to wonder what kind of animal you are, astrologically I mean, a lot of fire and water?
Much feeling, that for sure.
About HIM, I understand that you don't want to try to contact him again. Have been there, bought the T-shirt and washed it many times.
We live on planet earth, life goes on ...

Cheers for now,

Martin

[val]

Hi there Martin...

Well the truth finally comes out and I will be shunned and booed by most on this forum now.

I don't have an astrological sign. I decline. Years ago I studied it...for a long long time... and decided I don't want to place those kinds of limitations on myself.

I don't deny anyone else there belief in astrology...you notice I haven't said a word to anyone on this forum about their belief in it...and I don't adamantly put my foot down and say there's no merit in it. I don't know if there is or not...since I'm not all knowing. I just know it doesn't work for me.

If I did have one you would be shocked at what it is. You'd be shocked at my rising and moon as well. I just do not fit the mold that astrology has crafted for me.

Cheerio the noo,

Val

[martin]

Haha, shunned? Booed?
Not by me! "I don't have an astrological sign", waw! what freedom! incredible, this really cracks
me up!
I'm tempted to say "Now I know, only an xxx can say that!"
But I will not say it!

http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/biggrin.gif

[martin]

On a more serious note (ahem), yes, astrology can label and limit an individual.
You are this, you are that, brrrr, claustrophobia.
It can also reveal potential. Depends on the astrologer.
A good astrologer can show you where your home is, and your source, your origin-ality.
Astrology is an art.
An artful astrologer will not limit you in any way but help you to understand (get in touch) with the work of art that you are.

End of serious note. Life is a joke ...

[val]

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It can also reveal potential. Depends on the astrologer.
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But that's just my point. I don't need to be told what my potential is. I can figure it out and decide for myself.

And what astrology tries to tell me...literally everything I've read about my potential...is sooooo not me.

Cheerio the noo,

Val

[learner]

Dear friends,

Martin, thank you so much for your support in a life threatening moment! *grin*

Val, I am quite relieved now because I was bold enough to tell you what is my view about that reading of yours (by the way, I still think the same) and you are not mad at me. I have survived this time but I am not going to take advantage of that. One must recognize when it is not time to ?walk on the tiger?s tail? (Hex 10) *grin *. Regarding him, lets wait and see because time will tell.

Best warm wishes,
Mirian

PS: I am posting a cry for help about Hex 47. If both of you have some time, please cast your votes there!

[learner]

PS2:

Val, many thanks for the rescue operation from the harmful lightning.

All the best,
Mirian

[val]

Mirian...

Any time...*grin*

Val

PS...Yes there are those on this forum who will get angry if you disagree with them whether it's an interpretation or a belief. I'm not one of them. I do, however, get angry after awhile with people obsessively trying to convince me my beliefs are wrong. And not because they're trying to convince me my beliefs are wrong...that's their problem, but because, in their obsessiveness, they get in my face and stay there. You're not one of those people...thank you...*grin*

[martin]

Hi Val,

Quote: "And what astrology tries to tell me .... is sooooo not me."
Now I am really curious. Okay, okay, I will not ask you your date of birth, I will not speculate, although .. what was that about your moon and rising sign? No, no, stop, hex 52! *grin*

Cheers for now,

Martin

[gene]

Hey Val

Shun, boo. Okay, you have been shunned and booed, now get over it.

i am a casual astrologer, I have found it always, always, very accurate, except, of course, when I do my own chart. Doesn't fit me a bit. Actually it does, but not the way the average book would tell you. Right now going through a Pluto square Mars transit, and boy is it hitting me hard. Yet most transits seem to have no effect. There is the way others see us, there is the way we see ourselves, and there is the way we really are. Usually none of them have anything to do with each other, though not always.

Gene

[martin]

Hi Gene,

Pluto mars transit, yes, that's deep. Pluto turns everything upside down. Slowly but without mercy.
Feels like you will be destroyed sometimes, a death experience, but in the end there is a deep healing.

I went through something like that when pluto was transiting my descendant. Pluto went back and forth for a few years. Total collapse, I was convinced that I wouldn't survive it.
And in a way I didn't.
The self that I was, or seemed to be until then, was destroyed, executed.
The strange thing is that there was no fear, something in me just watched. And most of the time I was able to function normally in the outside world. Only a few close friends knew that "something" was going on.
It felt like I was somehow trained for this.

I think that pluto (or what it symbolizes) has mercy in this sense that we don't get more than what we can take. But that is probably much more than what we think we can take! And it will not hit us unless we have somehow asked for it.
Ultimately, the goal is to heal, to become whole.
And that is what we longed for.

Martin

[gene]

Hi Martin

Yeap, that is a very good description of what I am going through.

Gene

[gene]

Hey Martin

Wow, I just realized that shortly after Pluto transits Mars, it will transit my descendent. I get a double whammy. Oh, great.

Thanks,
Gene

[gene]

And it won't be too much time after it hits the descendent, it hits my sun. A triple whammy. Oh well.

Gene

[val]

You thank that's bad. I just asked the Yi what I should change in my job hunting strategy and they answered 2/1.2 to 19

*bangs head on desk repeatedly*

Cheerio the noo,

Val *grin*

[val]

You thank that's bad? You thank??? Where did that come from??? I'm starting to get a Southern accent in my writing??? Oh no! I really have to get to Philadelphia...and fast!

*grin*

Val

[martin]

Hi Gene,

The coming "whammies" (nice word!) might well be gentle. Depends on what you need and want (deep down). It's an individual thing.
The sign of transiting pluto is also important. In my case it was Scorpio, pluto's own sign, so pluto was perhaps unusually powerful.
I have had other pluto transits that were not very intense. I think there is something out there or in here (a healing power) that uses these and other transits.
"It", whatever "it" is, decides, together with our deeper self, how a transit will be used and the "dose". The transit itself is merely an opportunity.

[martin]

Hi Val,

What's wrong with 2 to 19? You had that one before?
I remember that you had line 1 of 2 earlier, the line that mentions hoarfrost and ice.

Anyway, don't bang your head too much, it's not good for your accent. *grin*

Martin

[gene]

I'm beginning to hate this mouse I'm using, hit it on the side and everything I have typed goes away. Just disappears. I just lost a nice post. Starting over again.

So, Val, what's wrong with 2:1,2? Line two says, "yet nothing remains unfurthered." Sounds good to me.

Martin, the second and third whammy's may not be so bad. And there is more breathing room in between them than I thought at first. I think what is making this one so difficult is that at the same time pluto squares natal mars it also opposes natal uranus. And this one is literally a fight for survival.

On a planetary level, pluto is in sagittarius. I noticed as soon as pluto went direct just recently, religious terrorism started again in earnest. And Pluto has a few years left to go in Sagittarius. Sagittarius is religious zeal, and Pluto transforms, it also causes upheaval. Major upheaval. For years most countries were safe from what is going on in the middle east. Not anymore, this kind of terrorism can strike anywhere.

Gene

[sparhawk]

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You thank that's bad? You thank??? Where did that come from??? I'm starting to get a Southern accent in my writing??? Oh no!<!-/Quote-!><HR SIZE=0></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why do you think we, in Spanish, use only the word "gracias" for "thank you"? Take "thank you very much". Four words to say "muchas gracias"?!?! ay ay ay!!! Too complicated... http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/happy.gif

Luis

[gene]

Hi Luis

We could also say much thanks, or many thanks too, I suppose, although it would sound a little odd. A lot depends on how we say it. I suppose there are ways to do the same thing in spanish. Things like, putting a little twist in the voice, so we can make it sarcastic. Saying thank you very much in a way that really means, thanks for nothing. Anything you can do in one language can be done in any other, but it depends on how many words it takes to get the job done I guess. I always had a hard time with dates in spanish. Seems like to say 1968 I have to say something like mil nuevecientos sesenta y ocho. Too many syllables for me, so I just think dates in English. I imagine there are many, many things in Spanish that can be said just in a few words that takes an English speaker a month to express though. I do know some spanish, still can't understand a native speaker very well though, but if you put it in writing I can understand about ninty per cent of it. I understand French and Spanish are languages that relate romance very well. Don't even think about romance if you are speaking German. It is hard to be romantic when you are barking commands. (Just kidding German friends. I am sure you can be very romantic.) In English, if we said a literal translation of "Te quiero mi vida" it might sound a little odd. "I want you my life." Well, languages can be interesting, because they give a hint as to how the natives really think. In Hebrew my understanding is that there are less verb stems that relate to time. The ancient Hebrews had a different understanding of time than we do. In English we almost never hear the subjunctive anymore. Proper English is to say, "If I were..., whereas people almost always say, if I was... Even highly educated people do it. But my understanding of Spanish is that the subjunctive has progressed more and more in usage.

Maybe I am boring everyone, I just find the differences in languages fascinating. I think Val was referring to the southern back woods usage of the word think, pronouncing it more like thank. In the U.S. local dialects are diminishing, but they are still very strong in some areas. In growing up, people used to tell me I had just a touch of a southern accent and I thought that was crazy because I had never been in the south, but I eventually found out I was picking up on my mothers accent though. Here in Florida it is very interesting because most people do not have the southern accent, but some people do, then there are a lot of people here from the northeast who have the Boston accent that Robert Kennedy used to have. Or the New Jersey New York accent that I call the mafia accent. It sounds macho tough guy to the extreme. I being from the far west, do not have much of an accent of any kind, but experts can even pick out which area in which state people come from. It's just interesting, to me anyway.

Gene

[sparhawk]

Geeze Gene!! Where is your Zen simplicity? http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/zen.gif Look at all the things you wrote commenting my chain pulling for Val... http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/happy.gif

Of course we have many, many nuances for common words and phrases. Like you cannot imagine! Not to mention that Spanish is a language that unites many countries under its common umbrella, but, and a very important 'but' it is, it also separates us from each other. You wouldn't believe the variations in common terms you will find just crossing a border down south... Simply crazy!

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Only because in colloquial English you use the short form of "nineteen sixty eight" while the more proper one of "one thousand nine hundred and sixty eight" is not used but in legal documents. That form is what actually translates to the Spanish "mil novecientos sesenta y ocho"...

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Don't get me started. You are not of the proper gender... http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/happy.gif

Luis

[gene]

Hi Luis

Yes, and one of the problems of learning a second language is it takes a long time to learn the nuances, and to understand the sarcastic tones, and little tricks of the language, not to mention the idioms and the speach of that particular locality. By the way, at first I wrote novecientos but then thought, that can't be right, nine is nueve. It's been too long since I studied formally Spanish.

Gene

[val]

Hola Gene y Luis y todas personas en esta forum...

Yo tengo una pregunta. 2 to 19 might not be so bad after all. Mi pregunta is about 19. Everytime I get it...and this goes back to my early days of trying to understand the Yi, my intial thought is always that it's about mentoring...or learning. What are your thoughts?

Tambien...what are your thoughts about 3.1 to 8 as pertaining to una pregunta regarding possibly returning to school...like maybe the Philadelphia Institute of Art which I passed almost everyday when I left the hotel?...*mueca*

Muchas gracias!

Val

[val]

Gene...

So right you are. I was referring to the twangy kind of Southern accent. Actually there are a few people here with twangy accents, and I think they're called rednecks by the locals. But there's also this very melodic country gentry kind of accent that's predominant here, and it's very localized...indigenous to this town. There's a backwoods accent as well that the people who live outside of town have.

Cheerio the noo,

Val

[gene]

Accents are still alive and well in the U.S. I suppose that's a good thing. Southern Georgia has a classy southern accent. Definitely different from the Oklahoma midwest southern accent. Hey, ya all. That's where my mother was from. Minnesota still has that sharp accent that seems almost like the polar opposite of the Alabama accent.


Well, hexagram 19, you might be able to make a case for mentoring if you take its pair number 20, and combine them. Hexagram 19, as Chris Lofting says, has to do with those of lower class approaching those in hexagram 20 with higher class. As such, then the figure in 19 goes to the figure in 20 on the tower, and looks up to him. "Full of trust, they look up to him" The image in 19 says, "the superior man is inexhaustible in his will to teach." Twenty says, "Contemplated the people and gave them instruction."

Three and four are a pair. Three has more to do with teaching by hard experience. Four has more to do with an actual teacher. Three one says it is important to seek out the right assistance. The hexagram has to do with seeking out the right teacher, not going it totally alone. Hexagram four gives instruction to the teacher as well. Sounds like all systems are go. Initiating countdown.

Gene

[val]

Gene...

There's more than one kind of Oklahoma accent too. I know the twangy one you're talking about. But none of my Oklahoma relatives have it. Their accent is soft, and they're all soft spoken.

Same with Texas accents. My half-sister has a Dallas accent which is very different than other parts of Texas.

Muchas gracias por the interpretation on 19 and 3. Hmmmm. I'm still rubbing my chin, but I was on their site tonight checking out the procedures for applying online.

Cheerio the noo,

Val

[gene]

Seems as though there is some similarity in concepts between three and ninteen. This is something I had not analyzed previously. In Three, a person just starting out goes into the forest alone and gets lost. He needs to find a guide. In ninteen, more mature people consciously and actively seek out a teacher. In hexagram 2 an individual comes to understand that he/she is not formally educated enough to lead, so learns to follow, and be receptive. In three, his/her education begins. In four, it becomes more formal. In nineteen, the education is more philosophical, more esoteric. In twenty, the instruction is actually given on a person to person basis. It is at the same time more personalized and more formalized. In hexagram four, the student has to be taught a hard lesson because he does not recognize his foolishness. In nineteen, the student is more eager. The approach is more willing, the attitude more receptive. In three and four the education is more or less forced upon the student, in three due to a need to grow, in four due to a need for socialization. In nineteen a desire for growth, in twenty, an admiration for those who have gone beyond.

Gene

[gene]

Val

De nada. Me da gusto. (I hope I said that right.) It gives me pleasure. Meaning, It is my pleasure. I really need to brush up on my spanish. Couldn't remember the word for correct, or the words for taking to a higher level. Necesito aprender mas espanol. Espero que mis explanaciones son adequadas. (Luis will probably laugh his head off when he reads this perversion of the spanish language.) Sorry Luis.

Gene

[val]

Gene...

I don't think an artist ever stops learning or wanting to learn. Maybe I should speak for myself, but every creative endeavor is a learning experience, and there is always someone who can teach you something new about your medium.

Thanks for the additional insight. It really strikes a chord for me.

Cheerio the noo,

Val

[learner]

Hello Val and Gene,

Speaking about learning a second language, I am adding some additional international communication to this forum.
You said: ?Necesito aprender mas espanol. Espero que mis explanaciones son adequadas?.

Here it comes the translation in Portuguese:
?Preciso aprender mais espanhol. Espero que minhas explica&ccedil;&otilde;es sejam adequadas?.

There is some similarity between Portuguese and Spanish in this case.

Gene, I totally understand when you say that it takes a long time to learn the nuances and to understand the little tricks of a new language. That is my challenge at the moment, but I am sure that you have already noticed. *grin *

All the best,
Brazilian Learner

[sparhawk]

Val said:

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De nada. Me da gusto. (I hope I said that right.) It gives me pleasure. Meaning, It is my pleasure. I really need to brush up on my spanish. Couldn't remember the word for correct, or the words for taking to a higher level. Necesito aprender mas espanol. Espero que mis <STRIKE>explanaciones son adequadas</STRIKE> explicaciones sean adecuadas. (Luis will probably laugh his head off when he reads this perversion of the spanish language.) Sorry Luis<!-/Quote-!><HR SIZE=0></BLOCKQUOTE>

Correct = correcto.... http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/happy.gif
"Me da gusto" is OK. "Es un placer" is more in tune with "it is my pleasure"

And I'm not laughing. I would have to think that people is also laughing when I slaughter the English language in this and other forums... (Please don't confirm this or I'll need years of therapy...)http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/ugh.gif

As for your question about the Art Institute of Philadelphia, on a practical note, not related to your Yi answer, you cannot go wrong by taking a course and a degree there. It has the best reputation and they also help you with job opportunities.

Cheers,

Luis

[gene]

Sounds like another case where Spanish speakers are using the subjunctive where English speakers do not. I think "sean adecuados" means "may be adequate" right? Use of the subjunctive gives Spanish a beauty I think is missing in English. We sound more like a bunch of drunken spring break beach partiers.

Gene

[val]

Luis...

Estoy apesadumbrado de admitirlo, pero no escrib&iacute; ese espa&ntilde;ol hermoso. Gene lo escribi&oacute;.

Thank you babelfish!

Yeah...AIP's reputation spreads far and wide. Very good school. And I have to admit, I was thinking of the career opportunities as well as the continuing education.

Cheerio the noo,

Val

[martin]

Hallo Val,

Toren van Babel ...
Ik spreek geen spaans. Wat betekent "Estoy apesadumbrado ..."?
Begrijp je wat ik vraag?

http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/biggrin.gif

[eve]

Hoi Martin

Wie was dat meisje met neptunus op haar ascendant?

love, light and laughter,
eve.

[martin]

Hallo Eva,

Nee maar, ben jij nog op?
Stout meisje!

Liefde, licht en lach!

Woefje

PS Een meisje van Eigenwijs natuurlijk ...

[val]

Martin...

Nope...sorry...have no idea what you asked.

I told Luis I hated to admit, but I wasn't the one who wrote the beautiful Spanish. Gene wrote it.

*grin*

Sorry you don't speak Spanish.

Here's a joke in English for you.

What do you call a person who speaks several languages?

A: Multilingual, of course.

What do you call a person who speaks three languages?

A: Trilingual, of course.

What do you call a person who speaks two languages?

A: Bilingual, of course.

What do you call a person who speaks only one language?

A: American, of course!


Val

[martin]

Hi Val,

Quote: "Nope...sorry...have no idea what you asked."
Are you sure? You _did_ answer my question!
Telepathy?

Of ben je Nederlands in een ander leven?
(Or are you Dutch in another life?)

Heb je al een andere baan gevonden?
(Did you already find another job?)

Ik hoop dat je gauw iets vindt.
(I hope that you find something soon.)

Martin

[val]

Yes I'm very telepathic...but that's not why I understood your post. I understood because I'm also very resourceful. This time I went to WorldLingo for the translation.

I haven't found another job yet, but if you know of any position open that requires resourcefulness...I'm your man! *grin*

Thank you for your warm wishes. I appreciate them so much.


Val