Change Operators?

[sherab]

Greetings, dear sages....

Many weeks back, in a reading in the Friends' Area, someone referred to the CHANGE OPERATORS in a hexagram.
What are these? How are they found in a hexagram? Any recommendations on how to work with them, in a divinitory or contemplative context? Any recommendations on reading or learning more about them?

Any wisdom and understanding wold be much appreciated!
Sherab

[void]

I don't know what they are but am highly suspicious of them as some new fangled invention http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/mischief.gif no one ever needed until now.

They look extemely complex with a touch of 57,3 about them, you know digging and digging for more and more meanings when the meanings lieing there on the top all the time.

I just read something about them in Hilarys blog under 'unchanging hexagrams' recently. I could not make head nor tail of it though, and instinctively disliked the term 'change operators', bought to mind supermarket checkouts and so on.

Not much use am I, but I don't claim sagehood (yet)


Well I wait along with you for some clarification, but I'm not that keen on all these ways of turning hexagrams upside down, inside out and back to front to get an extra ounce of meaning. To me it seems the Yi is as literal as it can be - for me that is - maybe it dumbs itself down for me http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/biggrin.gif

[frank]

Hi Sherab,

The so called ?Change Operators? are an I Ching invention by Stephen Karcher in his book ?Total I Ching?. And to me there has been some misunderstanding in what they mean, as in his book they have the opposite meaning then on the website ?Great Vessel? where, although he claimes it is not his website, most of the entrances suported his work...

It?s a simple procedure as one is telling to change changing lines into yang lines, and the other says change the changing lines into yin lines... The one who says changing the changing lines into yang should tell you about the outer way of behaviour, and the other (yin) part should tell you something about the inner behaviour concerning the question and related to the received answer from the Yi. On the website they change these two the other way around...

To me the same procedure done is named otherwise and has been used ever since the 70?s at least here in the Netherlands, by the I Ching group called ?The Group of Five? (usualy meetings between a group of 4 people and the I Ching).
They only used the so called Yang-procedure and my experience is that by looking at that procedure you learn to see the entrance where you are confronted with during the times of the hexagram received...

And no mater how litertal things can be in the Yi answer already, this is just another way of looking at it... If it bothers you, do not swet it :-D...

Huggie,
Frank

[kevin]

"The Change Operators are a powerful modern technique for determining and differentiating the specific transformative action of the Two Powers in a given situation. They give us a sense of effective inner and outer strategies and a much clearer understanding of the dynamic of Change. The Change Operators work from the positions of the Transforming Lines in the Primary Figure, no matter whether they are yin or yang.


The Inner Yang or Inspiration Operator describes the inner transformative aspects of a situation. It offers an effective stance or strategy towards the Inner World and the sources of inspiration it offers.


The Outer Yin or Realization Operator describes the places where change occurs and its possibilities of realization. It offers an effective stance or strategy towards the Outer World."

I was suspicious of these at first but having used them for a while I find them useful at times.
My experience is that in a given reading different parts of the reading or a different methods come to the fore. The diviners job is to sense where the emphasis lies.

Users of the Yijing can be a conservative lot. I count myself in that group at times. I think sometimes tradition and staying with the ancient established ways seems attractive. However the older layers of the Yi were laid down over many hundreds of years of debate and experiment... So I guess it is a case of try them and if you find they work use them.

I hope to put an article about these online in about a week.

All the best

Kevin

www.greatvessel.com (http://www.greatvessel.com)

[kevin]

Hi

I have now posted an article on Change Operators and their use: http://www.greatvessel.com/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabid=555&tabindex=0&DocumentI D=2273
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Stephen Karcher has done a reading which illustrates a case where they became central to the reading: http://www.greatvessel.com/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabid=506&tabindex=0&DocumentI D=2322.

I will keep an eye out on this thread should you want to discuss them.

All the best

Kevin
www.GreatVessel.com (http://www.GreatVessel.com)

[kevin]

Double post - deleted

--Kevin

[sherab]

Hi Void, Frank and Kevin,

Thanks so much for your illuminating commnets, explanations and pointers in this matter of change operators! They sound like they woud be interesting to explore and work with ... I actually don't quite understand them - largely because I am having difficulty in navigating the Great Vessel website, so I have yet to read and integrate the feast of information contained therein. (I cannot for the life of me find a SCROLL BAR in the site. Any clues? Feel a bit witless here, but there we are.....)
Hard to continue this thread until I have gone there and learned, I think.
More soon, I hope...
Sherab

[kevin]

Hi Sherab

I have emailed you for feedback re. navigating problems. I hope you can help us get it right.

Thanks

--Kevin
www.greatvessel.com (http://www.greatvessel.com)