What's wrong with my gas stove?

[susan]

Hi, I have a gas stove and I am new to that type having usually had electric. I haven't had a delivery of gas or propane (whatever it is) in a while. Anyway, tonite I had the oven on and then I couldn't lite the burners. Then a couple of minutes later the stove starting making a clicking sound. I don't know if this means I am out of gas or something else. Anyway I asked the ic and got 50.2-56. I asked why was the oven making a clicking noise?
Does anyone have a clue as to what that means? Of course this happens on a Sat. nite when everyone is closed the next day. Thank you for your help.

[bruce]

An electric igniter can make a clicking sound. Are you sure your stove uses propane, in New York?

Using the ting image, it appears to be full, or at least not empty. Envious comrades could be other components which aren't complying.

Please be careful. And that's how I'd read 56 - proceed with caution.

[micheline]

susan....I have a gas stove and it clicks for few seconds before it ignites...sometimes it takes a little while longer than a few seconds before it flames into action ( I need to be careful if it clicks longer than usual because the flame jumps up in a big POOF.)

Just a thought, 50.2 means there IS food in the cauldron (gas in the stove?) It sounds like it would not be a lack of gas, maybe a passageway in which gas gets delayed...( my gas supply comes from a pipe underground..we never "run out"...don't know if yours is the same? )

[micheline]

crossed posts with bruce...very similar

[bruce]

yep http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/happy.gif

[bruce]

I believe the correct name for the "clicker" is "heat exchanger". And you do need to be very careful not to keep it clicking while gas is building up. Or, if a gas valve has been inadvertently turned off, the heat exchanger will continue to click, but no fuel gets to the burners.

[hilary]

These things are probably differently designed over here (mains gas), but my very old gas stove automatically triggers the ignition (that clicks) a few times if you close the oven door rapidly. (Assuming yours has a gas oven, too?) It also has a dodgy electrical lighter that only works about 50% of the time on the burners - I have matches and spills to hand.

I love Yi's choice of the Vessel (for cooking in) as the nearest image to a stove! Agreeing with Micheline - probably a failure to connect gas and spark, rather than a lack of fuel. Maybe clicking away trying to light something that isn't there.

When you do get someone in to look at it, let us know the verdict!

[susan]

Thank you all, I was so afraid I was out of gas or propane, I swear I don't know which it is. It does sound like the gas is not getting thru. So also I should get someone in to look at it tho, not try to fix it myself? We have a tank out back for it that the gas company comes and fills so I don't have an underground tank. I know I love that it was the ting in the answer, so funny.

[hilary]

Oh heavens, yes, get someone in to look at it. Nothing to do with the reading. Worst case scenario if you call someone in - it's something obvious, and you feel silly. Worst case scenario if you try to fix it yourself - little bits of Susan scattered over a wide area. I love cooking on gas and never want to use anything else, but someone else can definitely fix the thing.

[susan]

Thanks, I read on troublshooting about this kind of issue that it could be caused by food particles trapped in the tiny holes. But it did seem to scary to fix oneself. I don't know if it's obvious but there is a financial issue in my not wanting to 1, by out of gas and 2, pay the company I have an outstanding balance with to come in and fix it. But I think I should call them , why these things alsways happen on the weekend I'll never know.
Anyway I asked the ic , what would be the relult of my trying to fix the stove myself? 38.6-54, Should I call (HQ) the heating company to help me fix the stove? 30.6-54, shkould I ask the neighbors for help with the stove 2.1-24?

[kevin]

The overview 54 - You are not in control here.

38.6 - First you think to repair it then you think not. The burner is covered in muck? Nope it is a friend and not a problem.

30.6 - What a hoot! The bright presence (the burner)The King sets out on a campaign. (To get it fixed)This is not a mistake.

The Yi is most chatty and seems to take your stove seriously.

Just one thing tho' it is 30.2.3.6 which gives 54... where's the typo please?

--Kevin

[greenowl]

Another vote here for letting the stove alone until a professional can come, also having nothing to do with the I Ching. I mean, I didn't even look up your additional readings and I don't want to!

Not that the I Ching CAN'T answer (I assume) but it would be my meager ability to INTERPRET that I wouldn't trust - not with something that could blow me and my house to smithereens.

I can sympathize about affording such messes. I guess if it was me, I'd just pretend (la la chirp chirp) that the stove doesn't even exist, until some later time. Stick with cold food. Not a happy scenario, but better than splatted Susan.

Good luck!

[susan]

Thanks Kevin, yeah it's 30.6-55, so I guess that means ask the gas company for help? This is very interesting asking something very concrete instead of relatioships issues which have so many variables. Does it make any reference to my financial problems with the gas company. I guess it's saying to call them? Thanks again.

[greenowl]

Although...it is very encouraging that Kevin thinks Yi is being chatty and is taking your stove seriously. I've had reading sessions like that (as opposed to ones where Yi seemed to want nothing more than to go back to its nap. So to speak.)

Dunno. Here's where I confess that my pet phobia about fires might be getting in the way...

GreenOwl

[susan]

I called the company they seem to think I'm just out of gas, which I am physically also, and my guage is wrong. So they are making a delivery tomorrow and I;m not going to do anything to it. Wierd tho, I thought the ic was saying I'm not out of gas /propane (they call it propane at the gas company)

[bruce]

Maybe withhold the verdict until the service guy checks it out.

[kevin]

50.2

"There is food in the Ding
My friend is afflicted, so cannot approach me."
=
There is gas in the oven, it is broken so will not work?

Let us see.

Sorry you are having such a bad time.

This is a very intresting thread tho'. When I was trying to repair a computer some months ago the Yi was of very little help.

Good luck

--Kevin

Yup, Propane is the best LPG (low pressue gas) It maintains its pressure in cold weather unlike the the common alternatives - it burns hotter too.

[void]

I see 50,2 as meaning its good it won't work - if it worked right now it might not benefit you (ie no benefit to guests)that means maybe its faulty and if the gas were getting through you might be in trouble. I'm glad you're not going to try to fix it yourself, phew, very dangerous possibly.

[kevin]

Been bugging me all night - the other LPG is butane (colour coded blue in the UK)... not very good as when it is cold the pressure drops... That is why propane is so good... mains (piped) gas is a different kettle of fish...

And yes I agree Void - as someone who is trained in plumbing the stuff on boats... You realy have to know what you are doing... quickest way to loose a boat is a gas leak... Both butane and propane are heavier than air... a small leak collects in the bilges until...

--Kevin

[kevin]

BTW my money is on the failsafe... theres not much to go wrong on a gas stove... the failsafe devise is designed so that when it fails it cuts off completely.

You have turned it on? Most fittings have a tap somewhere between the tank and the house - usualy outside and or the tank... a mains stop cock... It is turned on there?

(said sheepishly)

--Kevin

[susan]

No, I haven't turned anything off. When I called they didn't tell me to turn off any valves. That's intereting tho Kevin you said the ic was much help when your computer was giving you trouble.
Maybe some of these answers have to do w/ my reluctance to call because of financial reasons. Finally had to pay past due balance and an advance. So maybe he is not a robber was about that. Oh well, I'll see tomorrow.
Thanks everyone!!

[peace]

I have a gas oven/stovetop.
When it gets wet - it rained in from the ceiling twice (through the light)the burners clicked and evidently the pilot went out. When I lit them with a match - they popped on (be careful if you do this).

I took a hairdryer and dried it and then it worked
fine.

Good luck!
Rosalie

[susan]

Well it truned out I was out of fuel. Oh well. Thanks everyone for their replies.

[bruce]

Susan, well at least it's an easy solution. My guess, then, is that Yi was speaking more to your sense of distress.

[kevin]

Brilliant - no repair bills

Pleased

http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/happy.gif

--Kevin

[susan]

Thanks again, but what do you mean it was speaking to my distress? What was it saying about it?
No repair bills, that's true. I am very stressed out lately (again) money has alot to do with it.

[greenowl]

Susan,

Was the reading of 50.2 > 56 in response to the question "Why was the oven making a clicking noise?"

That's what I think you said in your initial post - just checking. I think, if I remember correctly what I've read, that the general rule of thumb is the I Ching answers the actual question asked a very high percentage of the time. A small percentage of the time, Yi strays from the question to tell you something else you need to know.

Of course, there's different layers of literalness I guess: As a comment on 'clicking' - literally - I have no idea what 50.2 could mean.

The clicking, however, was only a symptom of 'my stove isn't working' - as a comment about your stove not working, what people said about 50.2-56 makes sense: you're not out of gas, but tread cautiously.

Except that you WERE out of gas... http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/howmuch.gif

If (on yet the third hand), Yi was speaking to your financial stress, it could be saying that you're very worried and nervous about it (56 could fit that - you feel as if you're stepping on tigers' tails all the time and the tigers have many opportunities to bite you.) 50.2 could be saying that you have been, and will, get through it better than you think. More to the point, better than might be expected from the outside.

Does it make any sense to you to look at it that way? Might people reasonably look at your life and think 'I don't know how she manages, but she does...'

[kevin]

When I thought it might be the failsafe I asked the Yi - is it?

Response - 57

Could this (trigram Gas over Gas)have been the Yi shouting:

GAS!

lol

--Kevin

[susan]

That makes a lot of sense Greenwowl, and it's good news too.
That's funny Keven.
Thanks

[greenowl]

Susan,

It is good news...but why does Yi do that, and I kind of wish Yi would stop it. *mutters*

What I mean is (if I can figure out how to say it intelligibly) is giving answers that seem uncannily responsive - and yet completely WRONG as an direct answer to the question.

Like in this case: It seems Yi sensed that your actual biggest concern was not the stove itself, but how you were going to afford fixing the stove. So Yi (apparently) addressed
your biggest anxiety by telling you that you'll manage and get through it admirably.

That was actually very nice! But of all the things Yi could have said, you got a line whose most obvious interpretation, in the context of a non-functioning gas appliance, was the exact opposite of the real answer!!

See what I mean?

I had a similar reading recently. I'm tempted to start a thread, to see what people make of this who actually know what they're doing.

Would you mind if I did, and used your gas stove reading, along with mine, as examples?

GreenOwl

[susan]

That's fine with me. But I am very bad at interpreting these deeper meanings. Yesterday (the same day the guy came and gave me more fuel) I got let go from my temp job. So now I am in a financial quandry again. I am wondering if the ic could be referring to this too? (Grasping at straws, perhaps)

[greenowl]

Oh no... http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/sad.gif

That latest calamity does put a damper on 50.2 as praise of your financial management. I mean, being careful and cautious (10) doesn't hold up very well under the onslaught of losing one's income.

But the other applications of 50.2 make even less sense.

Maybe Yi was trying to give you an even bigger morale boost than it appeared. You said 50.2 seems to apply to your life in general - maybe Yi's saying that even with this latest setback you will still pull through. Don't you have a job-related thread going? Maybe good news on that front will come through at the last second.

*crosses fingers*

[susan]

I do have a job related one going.
but the civil service jobs don't look promising. I don't really want them, I just was feeling despaerate.
Thanks again

[jesed]

Dear Susan

Just in case the commentarie could be useful

According with traditional teachings, day-to-day world has its roots in ideal/spiritual world (King Wen's secuence and Fu Hsi secuence).

It means that every great change in our day-to-day issues begin with a little change in the spiritual world. And, some times, you can not solve a day-to-day issue if you don't undestand previuosly its root in the ideal world. Even more, some times the only way to face some issues is working in this ideal/spiritual world (offer sacrifice.. aproach to the temple, and so on).

Maybe, in this hard time for you, you could find lightining ask in this level. Not the day-to-day but the bigger causes about your situation. You could ask: What is the general diagnosis about my labor time?

Hope it could be useful to improve your life.

Best wishes

[susan]

What do you mean about my labor time? Do you mean work? What is the general diagnosis about my "work life" I am not sure what you mean.

[lightofdarkness]

The IC responds to a question by returning ALL hexagrams sorted in an order. EACH hexagram contributes to the WHOLE and so ANY particular hexagram will 'fit' whatever the question is about. Our consciousness ignores this dynamic and we derive 'random/miracle' methods to derive a hexagram as if it does reflect the 'moment'.

All 64 hexagrams apply to any moment. A PARTICULAR context (and so question) will sort the 64 into bestfit/worstfit but they will all still 'fit' in some way or another - because asking a question sets the ground THROUGH which we then interpret and the filter, the IC in this case, describes 'all there is', there is nothing outside of it. IOW if there IS something outside it will be interpreted as if inside and in doing so elicit paradox and so arguement (see comments in

http://members.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/paradox.html )


random/miracle methods will give a 'good' hit 1 in 64 on average. Skew the method of derivation and you can reduce the odds (and our consciousness will often FORCE our thinking to agree with the derived hexagram!)

Understanding this and using generic questions can aid in ensuring that the 'best fit' is consistant. (probability is over an infinite time span and so 1 in 64 allows for the correct best fit to happen by chance 64+ times in a row! BUT, over the infinite time span it will average out to 1 in 64)

Chris.

[greenowl]

Susan,

I did start that thread I mentioned, over in the Divination Discussion area: here. (http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/messages/48/5202.html?1126665327)Several people have already plowed through my very looong post and contributed thought-provoking comments.

My apologies, by the way, this was a clear 'dingafritz' (airhead) moment on my part: I start a thread on a completely different discussion board and don't think to point you to it until a day later - apparently I assumed you'd just magically read my mind or something! http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/blush.gif *rolls eyes at self*

[greenowl]

Lightofdarkness,

Would you be willing to explain how what you're saying applies to Susan's reading about her stove not working? She got 50.2 > 56.

It could maybe shed some light on the confusion some of us are having with the reading - in that it appeared to point clearly away from the possibility that she was out of fuel, which was subsequently proven false (she WAS out of fuel.)

If you'd rather add a comment to the Divination Discussion thread on the general divination problem, it's here (http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/messages/48/5202.html?1126665327).

Thanks!

[lightofdarkness]

The question:

"Anyway I asked the ic and got 50.2-56. I asked why was the oven making a clicking noise? "

question is about a fact.
question was about what COULD something be.
She was being reactive.

= issues of thunder (surprise, sudden, new etc - the clicking will lead to the sudden emerging fire - unless there is no fuel then all you get is the clicking! - the particulars of the question are of no concern, their general qualities elicit meaning)

Scan all of the thunder-based hexagrams to get the best fit (e.g. 03 and its association with difficulties with the new/beginning! - Susan said this was a new experience for her in that she usually uses electric)

24, 27, 03, 42, 51, 21, 17, 25

[susan]

Dingafritz, that's a good word.
Maybe it was referring to the fact that I phsically had the money to pay for gas/propane, what we thought meant gas tank had fuel?
Does anyone know how to interpret Jessed's question?
What is the general diagnosis about my labor time? It seems like a good question except I need to reword labor time.

[jesed]

Hi Susan


There are some mayor issues in our lifes. How we get the supplies we need for living is one of those mayor issues. That is "Labor Time", but not a particular job (in your case, a particular job-searching) but in a bigger spectrum.

"General diagnosis" also refers no to a particular situation, but the deep roots (or causes) of what we are living in the theme we ask(labor, relationship, spiritual development and so on)

Best wishes

[jesed]

Hope a metaphore could be useful:

Think in your life as a boat in the sea, just in the middle of a storm.

The day-to-day level is like ask: how is the motor? should I go faster? should I turn to the left? am I getting to much water?

The general diagnosis is like: how strong is the storm? what is its direction?

All mayor issues in our lifes (Spiritual Time, Relationship Time, Labor Time, Health Time) are like diferent seas.

You need to ask how is your motor, but some times the information you need in order to make wise choises is about the weather?

Best wishes

[susan]

OK I'll ask, labor time. Thank you

[jesed]

Dear Susan:

About the stove: we alredy know that gas was empty. But I wonder if there is a hidden problem on the gas stove: could be a leak of gas on it's basis...or could be an excessively open valve (see GreenOwl post in divination discussion forum)

Just in case, check this posibility out.

Best wishes

[stuart]

Perhaps the reading meant the ting is not damaged and will soon be filed with food again when you repair it.i see it representing its future use in cooking.

[bruce]

Maybe it's saying to cut off one of the stove's four legs. Then it will work.

[greenowl]

"Maybe it's saying to cut off one of the stove's four legs. Then it will work."

G-r-o-a-n. http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/lol.gif