Relationship Question

[cssslw]

Hello:
Thank you all in advance for your assistance and consideration. My girlfriend and I broke up in mid-July. I had a previous thread about this. We've had very little contact since then. We exchanged e-mails and ran into each other recently and she made it seem as if she didn't want to have anything more to do with me. I took her at her word, and was cool with it. Inside, I truly love her very much. So, despite her less than warm reception last week, I thought I'd check in with the I Ching tonight to see what's up. I already saw her external reaction, so, I asked the I Ching what she really feals for me in her heart. The reply: #16-unchanging. Hmmm...So, since I want us back together, I asked the Oracle how best to respond to her based on her 16. The reply: #5,first line changing, and a supporting hexagram of 48. Any idea of what this means and what the Oracle is suggesting I do or not do to facilitate our reunion? Thank you.

[dobro]

Hello:
Thank you all in advance for your assistance and consideration. My girlfriend and I broke up in mid-July. I had a previous thread about this. We've had very little contact since then. We exchanged e-mails and ran into each other recently and she made it seem as if she didn't want to have anything more to do with me. I took her at her word, and was cool with it. Inside, I truly love her very much. So, despite her less than warm reception last week, I thought I'd check in with the I Ching tonight to see what's up. I already saw her external reaction, so, I asked the I Ching what she really feals for me in her heart. The reply: #16-unchanging. Hmmm...So, since I want us back together, I asked the Oracle how best to respond to her based on her 16. The reply: #5,first line changing, and a supporting hexagram of 48. Any idea of what this means and what the Oracle is suggesting I do or not do to facilitate our reunion? Thank you.

Hey, that's too bad about what you're going through and I'm not sure about the interpretation yet, but I want to tell you it's really very cool how you consulted the Yi on this one. See, you did something that I'd never have tried till I saw you do it and it worked. Nice. lol

Still want some reading done?

[theoldman]

Hi cssslw,

Dobro has a point, and as someone pointed out on the thread below, it's hard (if not posible) to get the exact Hex. if we consult for the other, not for ourselves. The backward of ideomotor (psychological phenomenon wherein a subject makes motions unconsciously) is needed for conculting Yi jing. The hex. got has something to do with the hands of the only person who manipulate those coins (or sticks) at that time. If we consult for the others the hex. we got still ours, not them.

By the way, it seems to me that hex.16 tell us to appreciate the worth of music. Music is more than helpful.
Cheers.

[dobro]

Hi cssslw, the hex. got has something to do with the hands of the only person who manipulate those coins (or sticks) at that time. If we consult for the others the hex. we got still ours, not them.

Ordinarily I'd say yes to this, except for when I read this bit: "So, since I want us back together, I asked the Oracle how best to respond to her based on her 16."

It's the asking Yi about a good approach 'based on her 16' that I'm impressed by. See, I'm thinking that because he asked that particular type of follow-up question based on 'her 16' that 'her 16' actually has something to do with HER. See? It's the ecology between the two questions that lets it be valid. Wherever two or three are gathered together sort of idea, if you're into that sort of thing, but he's probably more interested in a reading than praise if he posted here, so...

[dobro]

I asked the I Ching what she really feals for me in her heart. The reply: #16-unchanging.

She's getting ready, she's preparing for something.


Hmmm...So, since I want us back together, I asked the Oracle how best to respond to her based on her 16. The reply: #5,first line changing, and a supporting hexagram of 48. Any idea of what this means and what the Oracle is suggesting I do or not do to facilitate our reunion? Thank you.

That 'facilitate the reunion' idea is *your* agenda, but what the Yi seems to saying is something along the lines of: "Since she's getting ready for something and so it's a 'wait for it' situation you're in right now, you might as well just continue to do just that - wait." Isn't that just typical? You want to do something (or not do something) for the sake of your agenda, and the Yi says 'wait'. I mean who wants to wait, right? Well, maybe you do, cuz that's what you've been doing since July, right? What do I know? You seem good at it. Maybe you can really get into it, develop your inner skill set a bit, get deep.

[autumn]

An image of 16 sometimes used is the elephant. Elephants are sometimes useful for their power and the image of pomp and circumstance they evoke, but when they aren't harnassed to anything, (the hexagram is unchanging) the power of their enthusiasm can be overwhelming. This is especially true if they are also fond of blowing their own horn. (Trunk?)

How to respond? The first line of 5 is an image of the thing anticipated being a long way off still. It advises it's a lot more useful for you to wait for it, rather than to make it come to you. You can gain insight into what would happen if you don't wait in 5.1 by looking at 48.1. This is an old, discarded well not being used and a metaphor for a source of nourishment that noone wants.

Bottom line- don't throw yourself at her. It's not going to work.

[dobro]

An image of 16 sometimes used is the elephant. Elephants are sometimes useful for their power and the image of pomp and circumstance they evoke, but when they aren't harnassed to anything, (the hexagram is unchanging) the power of their enthusiasm can be overwhelming. This is especially true if they are also fond of blowing their own horn. (Trunk?)

How to respond? The first line of 5 is an image of the thing anticipated being a long way off still. It advises it's a lot more useful for you to wait for it, rather than to make it come to you. You can gain insight into what would happen if you don't wait in 5.1 by looking at 48.1. This is an old, discarded well not being used and a metaphor for a source of nourishment that noone wants.

Bottom line- don't throw yourself at her. It's not going to work.

Sound reading of 5, I think. But as for 16, are you comparing his love object to an elephant? Or, she feels toward him the way an elephant does? I don't understand what you're getting at in that first part. (It's also said that elephants never forget, that they're scared of mice, and that they're the only animal with knees like that; so, is the issue her memory, fears or knees?)

[cssslw]

Hi:
Thank you, everyone, for your assistance. I gather by # 5 and #41, that I should just chill, and be the best "Me" I can be and see if my own positive energy draws her back. I still wonder how to interpret # 16 as to how she feels about me, right now. Does mean she feels positively?

[cssslw]

Hi:
Could #16 mean she's waiting for something from me?

[trojan]

Hi:
Thank you, everyone, for your assistance. I gather by # 5 and #41, that I should just chill, and be the best "Me" I can be and see if my own positive energy draws her back. I still wonder how to interpret # 16 as to how she feels about me, right now. Does mean she feels positively?

Not in my opinion, as I tend to associate 16 with over preparation and looking forward to things that might never happen especially unchanging. If I asked this question and threw 16 unchanging I woud take it as a sign to cool my excitement and readiness cos theres nothing actual there yet, like hot air and fan fare (and er elephants ) But then more often than not i find asking about others leads to the Yi to get back to you.

I think here i would think the Yi is not saying how she feels just pointing to your state of over readiness and expectancy. I guess this ties in well with the advice of 5,1. Its not negative exactly but chilling and waiting seems a good idea.

[dobro]

Hi:
Could #16 mean she's waiting for something from me?

No, not if the Yi answered your question about HER, which is what I think is going on. *You* are the one that's waiting in this situation, not her. She's preparing, she's getting ready for something in relation to you. I have no idea what it is or what relationship it bears to your agenda toward her, but she's getting ready, she's up for it, and she's organizing her thoughts and resources. My guess is that if you wait for a while, you'll find out what she's been preparing and it'll be very clear.

However, consider what Trojan's said as well. She's thinking, like theoldman, that 16 might have more to do with you than with her - your expectations and your enthuasiastic preparedness and getting ready to approach her again. It fits, right? But if that's the case, then it doesn't answer your question about her feelings for you. So, which would you rather: would you rather 16 were about *her*, meaning she's getting ready for some significant action in relation to you, or would you rather it were about *you*, and 16 is a kind of mirror that the Yi is holding up to you to show you your own state?

[bruce_g]

Not in my opinion, as I tend to associate 16 with over preparation and looking forward to things that might never happen especially unchanging. If I asked this question and threw 16 unchanging I woud take it as a sign to cool my excitement and readiness cos theres nothing actual there yet, like hot air and fan fare (and er elephants ) But then more often than not i find asking about others leads to the Yi to get back to you.

I think here i would think the Yi is not saying how she feels just pointing to your state of over readiness and expectancy. I guess this ties in well with the advice of 5,1. Its not negative exactly but chilling and waiting seems a good idea.

Agrees.

[autumn]

But as for 16, are you comparing his love object to an elephant? Or, she feels toward him the way an elephant does? I don't understand what you're getting at in that first part. (It's also said that elephants never forget, that they're scared of mice, and that they're the only animal with knees like that; so, is the issue her memory, fears or knees?)

Right, I think it's probably the "greatness" of riding an elephant into battle that's being used to convey a symbol, not the fear of mice or never forgetting something... since those are ideas that probably have their roots in the 20th century.

But, the idea was that she thinks he's 16- or in other words, she thinks he's on a mission to win her back, and a little over the top with his enthusiasm.

[dobro]

Well, Autumn, there's me cracking dumb jokes to cheer up the lovelorn, and you come along and actually put a sensible spin on it. Impressed, here.