28->33

[sollina]

28 becoming 33, regarding the future of a relationship? I'm a bit lost...

[sollina]

28 changing to 33, regarding the future of a relationship. Can anyone help...?

[topal]

Hi Solina,

Can't sleep at the moment so I'll give it a go ;)

Not much detail to go on but either you're giving yourself too harder time or the situation in general is causing the "roof beam" to sag under the emotional weight of it all. Something's gotta give as everything has expanded too much. So, lots of growth happening - too much in fact, losts of static and emotional electricity making things difficult to see the situation objectively. (never easy within relationships of course...) Big potential here though, in one way or another. If you step back a bit. And when I say "potential" I kinda mean that from a soul point of view which is often not what we want but is what we need.

The way I experienced line 2 is about the introduction of a new perspective or action that invigorates the situation. Step back and take a more philosophilcal look on it. Doesn't mean don't do anything but take five and try to view it dispassionately if possible in order to see what your next move might be. If you don't you're in danger of going under as it'll all prove too much. Attend to state of mind and repair the roof BEFORE it breaks completely then you'll usher in new possibilities.

Alternatively it could be one of those big lessons that you need to go through that's pretty horrible for the "you down here" but damn enriching for the soul "up there"! :rolleyes: So, this seems to be the line of self sacrifice, which is fine, if that's what you're prepared to go for. be sure that's what you want as it could get to that point if you go on wit this pressure.

33 reiterates this point; to retreat from this pressure and ease up. It doesn't mean run away necessarily, it's more a tactical retreat to conserve your resources. That'll give you some time to weigh up the pros and cons of the situation. Perhaps this means take a break, go away for the weekend or get some space between you and the pressure by any means that is practical.

Hope that helps a little. No doubt others will add their two cents. Good luck!

topal

[jesed]

Hi Sollina

Just in case the coment could be useful

28>33
Excess of tension; better to emotional-retreat before making any decision

Best wishes

[dobro]

28 becoming 33, regarding the future of a relationship? I'm a bit lost...

generic meaning: going beyond what's normal leads to withdrawal.

possible application to this particular situation: it's the withdrawing of 33 that draws my attention, cuz the question was about relationship, and it seems to me that withdrawing in a relationship has about one meaning - to withdraw from the relationship. The 'going beyond what's normal' sounds like it might be unusual or a rollercoaster or extreme in the meantime before the withdrawing kicks in.

[jesed]

Hi dobro

Just in case the comment could be useful

In my practical experience, I have find many times 28>33 as answer to romantic issues.

And most of the time, the answer unfold in fact not in the terms of withdrawn from the relation; but withdrawn from the emotional tension related to the issue.

After some calmness and clarity of judgement is achived, people can decide. And, in my experience (this is nothing that this, my limited experience), just a few cases the outgoing was withdrawing from the relation itself.

My two cents

Best wishes

[willowfox]

Hex 28.2,6 > 33

Hex 28.2 an older man takes a younger wife very good. An older relationship gets a new lease of life. Reanimated.

Hex 28.6 says that you are in over your head in this one, you are taking a great risk and sacrifices will have to be made. Is this relationship so important, some things are worth chasing is this one of them? Is love so true?

Hex 33 Suggests that you withdraw from the relationship temporarily to ponder the situation, to take time to see what is going on. In any conflict it takes two to fight, so retreating allows you to strengthen your arguments or whatever, then you can meet the other half on your terms when the time is right. Therefore, totally avoid a head to head conflict that you cannot win. Keep the other half away from you while you prepare yourself for the next meeting.

[dobro]

In my practical experience, I have find many times 28>33 as answer to romantic issues.

And most of the time, the answer unfold in fact not in the terms of withdrawn from the relation; but withdrawn from the emotional tension related to the issue.

Best wishes to you, too. I'm glad of your relating your experience - now I've got a way of looking at that line in a way that isn't so monochromatic. I just couldn't see it before, but yeah, there's that possibility that you mention.

[dobro]

Hex 28.2,6 > 33

Hex 28.2 an older man takes a younger wife very good. An older relationship gets a new lease of life. Reanimated.

Hex 28.6 says that you are in over your head in this one, you are taking a great risk and sacrifices will have to be made. Is this relationship so important, some things are worth chasing is this one of them? Is love so true?

Hex 33 Suggests that you withdraw from the relationship temporarily to ponder the situation, to take time to see what is going on. In any conflict it takes two to fight, so retreating allows you to strengthen your arguments or whatever, then you can meet the other half on your terms when the time is right. Therefore, totally avoid a head to head conflict that you cannot win. Keep the other half away from you while you prepare yourself for the next meeting.


Okay, and now I've even got a *third* way of looking at this one.

(I think we got it this time, you guys.)

I mean, if even *I* start seeing stuff in this I never saw before, then prolly the person who asked the question originally would have a space to grow some understanding in?

[lightofreason]

28 changing to 33, regarding the future of a relationship. Can anyone help...?

From a universal perspective we have competitive enticement (33) operating in a context of excess (28) where that includes going beyond the norm, going the extra distance.

The line position of 2 and 6 is controlled by hexagram 04 and so a focus on issues of socialisation, masking etc. What we have is the 4-ness of 28 is manifest in characteristics of 33.

This can overall represent the exaggeration of the mask to serve to entice but not in a cooperative way, more a competitive way, a form of 'trap'. In other words, the behavior of issues with masking are reflected in 28 by a focus on drawing 'them' in.

Note that 33 shares space with 31 in that both cover enticement - 31 is more cooperative.

In the octet of mountain-based hexagrams 33 is the 'opposite' of 15 - the latter focuses on clear modesty, covering the lows, reducing the highs, keeping words close to facts. 33 introduces a touch of immodesty and so enticement (in Victorian times it would be akin to a fully covered female revealing an ankle to the male (hex 31 is also known as 'wooing'); in any military situation (hex 33 being competitive) the focus is on, for example, staging a retreat to draw the enemy in and then to pounce - but there is also the sense of staging a retreat to fight another day, IOW it all planned)

The above comments cover a universal form of expression and may not neccessarily 'fit' your question of you used magical/random methods in deriving the hexagrams.

Chris.

[trojan]

Others have posted their two cents, this post has been duplicated in the discussion area.

Confusing having the same question posted twice.

[lightofreason]

28 changing to 33, regarding the future of a relationship. Can anyone help...?

From a universal perspective we have competitive enticement (33) operating in a context of excess (28) where that includes going beyond the norm, going the extra distance.

The line position of 2 and 6 is controlled by hexagram 04 and so a focus on issues of socialisation, masking etc. What we have is the 4-ness of 28 is manifest in characteristics of 33.

This can overall represent the exaggeration of the mask to serve to entice but not in a cooperative way, more a competitive way, a form of 'trap'. In other words, the behavior of issues with masking are reflected in 28 by a focus on drawing 'them' in.

Note that 33 shares space with 31 in that both cover enticement - 31 is more cooperative.

In the octet of mountain-based hexagrams 33 is the 'opposite' of 15 - the latter focuses on clear modesty, covering the lows, reducing the highs, keeping words close to facts. 33 introduces a touch of immodesty and so enticement (in Victorian times it would be akin to a fully covered female revealing an ankle to the male (hex 31 is also known as 'wooing'); in any military situation (hex 33 being competitive) the focus is on, for example, staging a retreat to draw the enemy in and then to pounce - but there is also the sense of staging a retreat to fight another day, IOW it all planned)

The above comments cover a universal form of expression and may not neccessarily 'fit' your question of you used magical/random methods in deriving the hexagrams.

Chris.

[dobro]

Chris, I love it when you're into universal forms of expression. That's how to stray onto common ground.

Sollina: pay attention now - he happens to be at his best right now. I like the military imagery he put out. Imagine that! Imagine the possibility of a military approach to the relationship! I mean, it happens sometimes, right? I mean, some people *do* put a lot of collective force into their relationships. (Although I'd imagine most people tire of it after a few battles...)

Anyway, which of these four sums it up for you? Alternately, do you find that considering all these four opens up a space for you to see in?

[sollina]

Hex 33 Suggests that you withdraw from the relationship temporarily to ponder the situation, to take time to see what is going on. In any conflict it takes two to fight, so retreating allows you to strengthen your arguments or whatever, then you can meet the other half on your terms when the time is right. Therefore, totally avoid a head to head conflict that you cannot win. Keep the other half away from you while you prepare yourself for the next meeting.

Thanks, guys. I find all of these quite useful and appropriate. The thing is that the relationship is really good, with full understanding and affection, but he is going through a nasty divorce and the wife has become a bit... well, strange and forceful lately. So, I suppose the answer would be that I back up a bit till the situation clears out, right? I'm kind of hoping that "withdrawal" doesn't really mean totally giving up since it would be really painful to lose something so good.

[hilary]

This thread's now the product of merging with the out-of-place duplicate in the 'Discussion' forum. All the posts from both threads are plunked in together in order of posting, which may make things a tad incoherent at times, but at least they're all here.

[sollina]

Hi Solina,

Can't sleep at the moment so I'll give it a go ;)

Not much detail to go on but either you're giving yourself too harder time or the situation in general is causing the "roof beam" to sag under the emotional weight of it all. Something's gotta give as everything has expanded too much. So, lots of growth happening - too much in fact, losts of static and emotional electricity making things difficult to see the situation objectively. (never easy within relationships of course...) Big potential here though, in one way or another. If you step back a bit. And when I say "potential" I kinda mean that from a soul point of view which is often not what we want but is what we need.

The way I experienced line 2 is about the introduction of a new perspective or action that invigorates the situation. Step back and take a more philosophilcal look on it. Doesn't mean don't do anything but take five and try to view it dispassionately if possible in order to see what your next move might be. If you don't you're in danger of going under as it'll all prove too much. Attend to state of mind and repair the roof BEFORE it breaks completely then you'll usher in new possibilities.

Alternatively it could be one of those big lessons that you need to go through that's pretty horrible for the "you down here" but damn enriching for the soul "up there"! :rolleyes: So, this seems to be the line of self sacrifice, which is fine, if that's what you're prepared to go for. be sure that's what you want as it could get to that point if you go on wit this pressure.

33 reiterates this point; to retreat from this pressure and ease up. It doesn't mean run away necessarily, it's more a tactical retreat to conserve your resources. That'll give you some time to weigh up the pros and cons of the situation. Perhaps this means take a break, go away for the weekend or get some space between you and the pressure by any means that is practical.



Thank you, this is extremely helpful and it makes perfect sense. It's not always easy to retreat, especially if you feel like doing exactly the opposite, but... I'm aware that now it is the best strategy. Thanks again.

[sollina]

This thread's now the product of merging with the out-of-place duplicate in the 'Discussion' forum. All the posts from both threads are plunked in together in order of posting, which may make things a tad incoherent at times, but at least they're all here.

Thank you and I appologise. Being a new person here, didn't know where it would be more appropriate to ask.

[willowfox]

Thanks, guys. I find all of these quite useful and appropriate. The thing is that the relationship is really good, with full understanding and affection, but he is going through a nasty divorce and the wife has become a bit... well, strange and forceful lately. So, I suppose the answer would be that I back up a bit till the situation clears out, right? I'm kind of hoping that "withdrawal" doesn't really mean totally giving up since it would be really painful to lose something so good.

I think, now that you have given the extra info, that he Hex 28.2 is the older man and hex 28.6 is that you are in the midst of a divorce case, and that is where the risk and sacrifices comes in. You have to lay low for the time being.

Hex 33 suggests that you withdraw from the relationship temporarily not for ever. Now I understand why, there is definitely an enemy on the loose, his wife and she could be a danger to you, not him as I first thought. You have to avoid a head to head conflict with her not him, she is the one the hex is advising you to retreat from, keep from contacting face to face. Saying wait to make contact with her if you must until after the divorce has been finalized. Overall, becareful.

Hex 33 indicates the time around the middle of July, if that means anything to you.

[sollina]

Hex 33 suggests that you withdraw from the relationship temporarily not for ever. Now I understand why, there is definitely an enemy on the loose, his wife and she could be a danger to you, not him as I first thought. You have to avoid a head to head conflict with her not him, she is the one the hex is advising you to retreat from, keep from contacting face to face. Saying wait to make contact with her if you must until after the divorce has been finalized. Overall, becareful.

Hex 33 indicates the time around the middle of July, if that means anything to you.

Good point, especially since I am forced to have contacts with her face to face, but I'm most definitely in the position to make them as simple as possible. Being careful might be the most reasonable advice.
And, yes, the middle of July does make sense. Thanks.