A legal question

[amalia]

For once in a while, I'd like to stop talking about my career as a writer (today I have received a horrid refusal letter, so I'm definitely not in the mood of thinking of that...). I have many other problems in my life, the biggest one of them is maybe the inheritance of my grandfather. Dividing it is both economically and personally painful and very very complicated (even if we are talking only about a small apartment an a detached house in the country). The other part in this question is my aunt, whom I am talking to only by lawyers, and whose distorted personality has much (better say "all") to do with all the problems I had. At the moment, I am waiting for some new trouble to come. I asked the yi "what is about to come?", and I had hex 44 (I hate it whet I get it - it always says bad things) changing to 53. As I see, things will get better, but I am still far from the real solution. Am I correct? Maybe I should ask if at least we will be able to sell the apartment, this year. Kisses, Vassilissa

[jte]

Hrmmm. This is *not* an in-depth reading (which I hope others will give to you) but I'd say if the result of this situation is that you're going to inherit a piece of property which is in proximity to (or perhaps an obsession of?) this "distorted personality" aunt, then you might be in danger of "marrying the wandering woman (who should not be long associated with." Thus, 44 -> 53.

So, if that's the case you might consider what this property is really worth going through, because my guess is that (if the situation is as I described above) it's not going to be fun...

Just a gut reaction,

- Jeff

[amalia]

If you had read my post with more attention, Jte, you could have argued I cannot renounce to my inheritance, for I said I am trying to divide it - that means, of course, that I accepted it (by the way, it happened two years ago). Besides, my mother is also a heir, and she has good reasons to consider the division of this property something important. So please do not talk of getting out of this situation - it is simply impracticable. I'd only like to avoid mistakes. Kisses, Vassilissa

[void]

Such gratitude !

[frank]

Hi Vassilissa,

Hexagram 44 can be about agression and the matter that the aunt is to much involved into your life, still...

Changing to 53, the lines 2 & 5 are changing, which means that within time there will be gradual progress. By changing line 2 first out of 44 it changes into 33, withdrawal. Seems like there will be some time commin?up where you want to withdraw from it all. Line 2 is also about tactics, so it could be a tactical withdrawal, to perhaps get the other people comming out of there homes... get responses from them first...

By changing line 5 from 44, you get 50, the ritual cauldron. The cooking pot will have jade rings... so, out of the withdrawel you probably see an oppertunity to polish things up and get what you want... a better deal.

Perhaps it is a good thing to start to live tacticly out of defence instead of offence....

I hope it made some sense what so ever...

Hang in there.

Hug,
Frank

[void]

No Frank hexagram 44 changing to 53 means lines 2 and 4 are moving NOT line 5. So no game in the field.

[frank]

Oeps, Hi Void, you are very right... Wow, that I miss that... The story for line 2 stays, but line 4 of 44 is a total other thing then the jaderings from line 5 of 50... Changing line 4 of 44 you get hexagram 57... So after some tactical withdrawel there is a time to come that on a subtle way things are going to be influenced by some erotion. Perhaps things have to be deepend out. In defence you could have more time to deep things out? Something like that. I still hope for Vassilissa things work out, also for her writing. I recently discovered an `I Ching for Writters`.... I?m at my work right now, so I don+t have the ISBN code and other stuff in site, but remind me of it later... Perhaps this book can give some hints and tips for her..

Hug.
Frank

[bruce]

Hi Vassilissa,

I think it was Jesed who said here recently that "how" is a better question than "will". Good advise.

44 can be an image of a woman taking what she believes is rightfully hers. Whether this represents you or your aunt or both, I have no way of knowing. Or it could be just the desire itself to acquire the estate.

Line 2: There's something in the tank, so potential is present, and its value means more than monetary gain. It may more represent personal principles or sentimental value.

Line 4: I'd see this as saying that it would be an error and a disappointment if you win the prize but lose something which could be more valuable to you in the future.

53 is a gradual and steady way of proceeding.

[peace]

Why is it that when someone doesn't get the response they want - they seem either annoyed or vehemently angry at the person who takes the time to give them a thought out response???
Then they wonder why they get fewer responses in the future.......

[jesed]

Just in case the comment could be useful

1.- I wouldn't suggest use the question you used. Is not a clear question (did you mean "what is about to come" with the legal situation? or "what is about to come" with the economical situation? or "what is about to come" with the relationship situation?)

2.- I would suggest a more large path, but clearest:
a) General Diagosis of the situation(legal/economical/relationship, chose just one to focus the answer) .
b) How the Wisdom judge my position within the situation?
c) How the Wisdom judge my aunt's situation within the situation?
d) How should I face this situation for better?
e) (Only if absolutely necesary) Please show me an image of the future development of the situation if I follow your previous advices

3.- Anyway, you actually did the question you did.. and you got an answer, isn't?. So, let see it
a) The question seems like "show me an image of the future development of the situation", so I would read it in that context. Whatever you mean with "what is about to come", what is coming is a Temptation.
b) Tempation that you could think easy to handle. Maybe an unfair way to solve the legal situation, or an unprofitable transaction for sale the house or some dangerous meeting with your aunt. The advice of Yi Jing is something like: "be careful, not everything would be like it seems.. think twice before made a mistake"
c) The Lines are particular advices... better to keep the fish in the tank (line 2) than don't keep it there (line 4).. mmm maybe the temptation is sell the house but it would be better no to do that; or the temptation is to get rid from your aunt bu better to keep in touch with (tolerate) her.
d) The tendential hex points: to handle well this temptation time, your goal should be achieve a gradual progress (So, not buy a temptation to solve quickly but unfairly the situation)

So, you are warned by I Ching: something could happen in the next days/weeks/months tha seems to solve quickly the situation.. but it could be not what it seems to be

Best wishes

[jerryd]

Peace...
People who are angry at responses which do not match their expectations, I find are generally ones who will only accept a truth which is compatable to what they wish to believe from the beginning. You are just being the goat, the shooting of the messenger by the King.

[peace]

Maybe that's also why their relationships don't work!

If you don't like how someone views the world - move on. No need to get angry if someone thinks differently than you - or if you don't like the way they behave. WE ARE ALL NOT THE SAME!

[rosada]

I just asked the I Ching your question, Peace, "Why do people get annoyed when they don't get the answer they want?"

17.1.4.5 - 2
Adapting -to - The Unknown

17. " Adapting" is all about being able to follow the lead of another and how "self-importance makes one rigid and unreceptive, inflexible and therefore incapable of adapting." (Guy Damian Knight)

17.1 talks about the importance of not just associating with one's own gene pool. To get new information we have to seek out responces from people of very different backgrounds and viewpoints.

17.4 talks about the real dangers of cultivating only those who would tell us what they think we want to hear. "Only when a man is completely free from his ego does he acquire clarity." (Wilhelm)

17.5 talks about having a lodestar to follow.
When one seeks new information, the very fact one is seeking it means one must give up their old way of being. Like, if I am now A Person Who Does Not Know, and I am to become A Person Who Does Know, I will then be someone totally different than the person I am now. So having a star to follow helps keep one on the path while one is transforming. The lodestar in this case would be a desire to know The Truth.

2. The Receptive. This hexagram always strikes me as suggesting a vast dark unknown where a person could easily lose their old way of being with no guarantee of finding a new one.

Thus, Why do people become angry when they don't get the answers they want? To get answers requires Adapting (giving up control to another) and going off into the Unknown. Fear of this 2. Unknown, I suspect, is what creates the short temper.

I

[peace]

Hi Rosada:

I always enjoy your posts and your insight.

Hey - where have you been lately??

Rosalie

[rosada]

Hi back at'cha.
I got tired of seeing my opinion slattered over every thread here so I tried to abstain for a couple of days - only to become addicted to liqudation.com (OMG - you can get billions of dollars of crap over there for only a couple of million!!!). So I came scurrying back.

Thanks for asking,
Rosada

[rosada]

I meant slathered, not slattered. Not sure either one is a word.

[rosada]

liquidation.com (not liqudation.com. geez.)

[peace]

Rosada:

I looked up slathered on dictionary.com since I didn't know what it meant.

Here it is..Is this what you meant?

To spread thickly: slather onions on the steak.
To cover with something spread thickly: bagels slathered with cream cheese.

Rosalie

[lightangel]

Lol. This is what I don't understand: it's okay to not be open to other ways of seeing things but then, why bother asking? And once you ask, how can you not see that whoever wrote back is just trying to help?!
Rosada, keep in mind that not only the person that asks the question or the person that 'slathers' (dont know if it's a word either) your post is interested in your opinion. You might help other people indirectly with either a real problem or with their understanding of the Yi. So it is worth it to speak up. http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/happy.gif

[rosada]

Slather: Spreading it thick - yeah, I was feeling I was spreading my opinion around like I thought I knew what I was talking about. Anyway, obviously I didn't worry too hard for too long.
Thanks for the encouragement LightAngel.

[pushpaw]

I like your opinions, Rosada. Swinging it, springing it, spreading it, whatever, it's good stuff! Lightangel, you are - er - an angel - and Light!

[lightangel]

http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/happy.gif

[rosada]

http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/biggrin.gif

[amalia]

I am deeply sorry to have disappeared so soon, but I had problems in accessing a PC (whatever PC it was, I mean). I see you all need an answer, but I must really go at this moment - could you please wait for a couple of hours? Your comments are something I must read carefully, and meditate about. Kisses, Vassilissa.

[amalia]

Dear everybody,
First of all.
Jesed, thanks. I must admit I knew my question was wrong. Even a non-competent like me knows that it was the tipical kind of question you simply shouldn't ask to the i-ching. I made a rather stupid mistake - but I was, so to say, in a compulsive state of mind ("Do something! Consulte the Oracle!"), when I did it. I had no news of any kind in the last month, and I was much worried: not only about my aunt, but also about some other problem regarding the apartment I mentioned, a problem which I find it difficult to explain in English (sort of a mixed tax and bureaucratic issue, so to say, which my aunt is -by the way - using as a pretext to delay selling the estate). That was the main reason why I asked "What is about to come?" instead of "What is she going to do?" I was not calm and relaxed to pass through all the right questions.
Frank, thanks (also for your worries for my writing - it is so strange and at the same time so flattering to hear so many people now believe me to be a real writer!). You hit a key I am sensitive to. I know the right (maybe the only!) way to solve the problem is to let my aunt "having it her own way" (this is an improper way to tell it, but I miss the right words). But sometimes she tries to affect my position too much. Even my lawyer lost her temper, when we received the last letter. It is really difficult to stay cool and willing to everything instead of starting up yelling: "No more!" I must add I did not give you all readers any kind of informations about what led me into all this, for it is for me too painful to tell you. But, as you could easily guess, where there is a inheritance, there was a death. And death is never pleasant, as it was not in my case.
Bruce, thanks - did I tell you simply are a mine of wisdom? Hope I did. As I thought, it'll take a huge amount of time to solve the situation (I foresee with no difficulties my nerves will break down a hundred times...) - but it seems I will go on. Kisses.
As for all the others who did not like my answer to Jte, it is really remarkable I have been accused of being angry for receiving the wrong answer (a negative instead a positive one), while I wrote (you can check it) that I was angry (and I am much more now) for I was not attentively read, and the answer that Jte gave me was simply impossible to translate in any kind of positive actions - in a word, it was totally unuseful, and a waste of time for both us. I hope we could all avoid this kind of misurunderstandings, in the future, with some more attention. I must add, Peace, that I prefere to be talked to directly: in the future, if you do not agree with what I say or do, please talk to me, not to others.
Kisses to all however. Vassilissa

[rosada]

Peace,
I love your posts!
Titty tickles to all, Rosada

[rosada]

That was rude of me.
I apologize.
Rosada

[jesed]

Hi Vassilissa:

Great to hear about you again.

I like to say something: the most important thing in my answer wasn't "wrong question" (as you said, you already know that). What I wanted to express was: "no matter if it is not the best question, let's try to get something about it".

I know that inheritance problems are painful (as professional, I'm lawyer in familiar issues); because of the relationships with the people that had die; and beacuse of the conflict rleationships with others familiars. That is why, reading your post, I have a particular interest in try to help (if i could).

I would suggest you to try the questions i post (number 2), in that order. I think you could find the answers helpful.

And, in any case, see if what i write in number 3 "sounds" for your situation.

Best wishes

[jte]

Vassilissa, it's unfortunate that you felt angry about my post and your belief that I did not read your original post. Actually, it is in fact, not particularly clear on that point in my opinion.

In addition, I don't think you should be surprised that other people reacted negatively to your response. Your original resopnse was rude and your follow up response was rude as well.

"I was not attentively read" - this is actually not true; your writing was not particularly clear.

"...the answer that Jte gave me was simply impossible to translate in any kind of positive actions" I think this statement shows a distinct lack of imagination on your part. There are *no* ways to miminize interaction with your "distorted personality" aunt?? *No* ways to reduce the negative effects of association with her??

It's regretable that you felt my post was "totally unuseful, and a waste of time for both us." While I suppose you are just being honest about your feelings, in my view the directness of this statement shows a distinct lack of basic social skills.

"I hope we could all avoid this kind of misunderstandings, in the future, with some more attention." I hope that *you* could avoid it with some attention to making your question and description of the situation clear and by showing some simple common respect even if you don't like a response.

"Kisses to all however. Vassilissa"

Your behavior on this thread warrants contempt. Jeff.

[void]

Vassilissa please keep your kisses. You seem incapable of ordinary common courtesy and in my view have displayed rudeness and arrogance I have never seen here before.

You seem to think you are some kind of Royal personage whom we are here to serve, and if you are not served as your Majesty sees fit its "off with his head". Get real ! Get off your high horse and out of your carriage ! I never saw you offer your help to any person here so what right have you to trash the help Jeff gave you ?

I'm afraid you may have delusions of grandeur Queen Vassilisa.

[void]

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Jeez, Attention forum members please pay more attention to Vassilissas fascinating problems !!

I'm trying to figure out this bizzare 'you work for me' attitude ? Possibly a language problem ? English clearly not her first language.

Anyway I for one do not give a ..... about her inheritance, book or anything else.

[lightangel]

What I really like is when people are rude, ungrateful and mean and then sign off with "love" or "kisses".. what do they mean????? http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/crazy.gif

[void]

Don't know, could mean they have inherited some kind of 'distorted personality' disorder http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/lol.gif

[amalia]

Dear all,
My best friend invited me to lunch (we couldn't meet for some time), and I am tweeting as a bird. Even if my PC (because of my evident "lack of social skills", Jte would say) deleted, in a fit of bad temper (no surprise, knowing its owner), the biggest message I wrote in my whole life. But who cares, after all? I will write something longer, even with my "language problems" - or because of them...
First of all, I have a horrible character. We all know. Nulla quaestio, they say in Latin.
Secondly (to be more precise about "my" "distorted personality"), I am definitely not only rude, but also colleric, dispotic and intolerant (is it enough?) when I seem to "smell" carelessness in what somebody is saying about a problem which gets me out of my mind. I admit I simply cannot stand the fact people use to say/write/whatsoever the first thing they have in mind. And, yes, this is a positive reason why I sometimes have stormy relationships with people. And it is exausting. Every time, I must choose between being silent (and have a false human relationship which I will never care about); or being honest and shout. Sometimes I stay still. Sometimes I shout. Of course shouting is no solution - but give me a good reason why I must always stay still. And, more of that, I found relationships that survive shouting are the only one which are worth keeping. That is also the answer to Lightangel's question: "What I really like is when people are rude, ungrateful and mean and then sign off with "love" or "kisses".. what do they mean????" They mean, my dear: "I am really angry with you; as you, on your side, are really angry with me. I would like to smack you and you would like to smack me. We will never agreee about what happened. But we are human beings. Maybe we will agree about some other point, some other time. This anger is partial and unrelevant. Kisses." Yes: to know somebody, you must run the risk of being smacked, or kicked. And than kisses. You believe in politeness, which is a value I acknowledge as fundamental (for instance, no work place could run without it, for how could be hatred managed otherwise?); but I believe more in passion.
Notwithstanding (let me add) in this case I did not shout. I wrote no insults. And yet it seemed I stroke a real sensitive key in "asking too much": too attention, too consideration, too precision. You all seem to say: "We cannot accept your behaviour, My Goodness! For any kind of help must be welcomed - who do you think you are, to ask for our true attention?". I am sorry to remark, one more time, I totally disagree: attention is something everybody of us must ask for. But you were not precise in defining my attitude as "work for me!". Instead. I have a "If you want to say something, say something you really thought upon. Give me your real attention, not your carelessness. If you cannot, leave me alone" attitude (by the way, that is the reason why I do not answer to others' messages - I simply do not believe I am competent enough about the Yi). I see asking such is, for you, being a Royal Highness; and so I must accept I am. But I cannot be angry anymore: instead, I find myself obliged to feel pityful for you. I fear you must be all people used to receive very little love and consideration - so, of course, one like me is definitely unacceptable and "out of question". From your point of wiew, you are perfectly right, and I must ask for pardon. If you are willing to give it.
(This has nothing to do with all this, but I must say I cannot believe being a Royal Highness is an insult, even if you wrote it with all the intensity of your contempt - it it really too fascinating! I'd love to post all my future messages as "Royal Highness Vassilissa" - But, you know, we are poor barbaric republican people, and we still think kings and queens have their charms...)
Leaving apart all this considerations, Jte, you are perfectly right in saying I was not clear nor transparent. I am really guilty about it. And
(even if you wrote I have been honest) I was not perfectly sincere either. The point was, your "gut reaction" really hurted me - I should have told you. I suppressed pain and I showed anger. I should not have done it. But, most of all, I "infer too much" - that is, I am always "studying" what people say/do/writes etc. in order to understand their secret troubles/feelings/whatsoever, and therefore I expect the whole world to do the same with me (world which I always find with great astonishment is really far from doing it... Anyhow, please observe I am a Royal Highness with some notions of reciprocity). Now, I can do whatever I want, but I definitely cannot expect you to be an interpreter of my cryptical messages - even if, yes, I will espect you and everybody in the world to do it, but this is just a dream of my "distorted personality"...
I have to add that, unfortunatly, there are really *no* ways to miminize interaction with your "distorted personality" aunt (yesterday she was re-baptised "Torquemada" by a friend of mine, and I find it fitting!), and *no* ways to reduce the negative effects of association with her. I have so many problems in accepting the fact I have no control over this situation that I was not even able to describe you all! The only thing I can do is sometimes saying "no". But why thinking to it again? I am in a good mood. I want to be positive even for, let's say, three days...
By the way, Void, you can possibly be right. I have good reasons to believe mental disorder is somewhat genetic in my family, so I could have inherited it even before my estate.
Now I have been really sincere (I can look myself in the mirror again). And I received some good news (not connected with my aunt, but good!). I think you all had enough of me, and I am late for dinner. I'll be out for a while, with your great relief. Kisses anyhow (you surely have no idea how I can be embraceble!), Vassilissa.
P.S. Jesed, thanks again.
P.P.S. Am I really the "rudest person that ever happened to pass in this forum" (Or whatever you called me)? Really UK is incredible. Do you have just a pale idea of what happens in an ITALIAN forum? Do you know I am usually considered as "too formal"? Kisses (I somewhat like to tease you...)

[bruce]

http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/lol.gif you really are a good writer!

PS: I prefer passion also. In fact, I prefer an honest insult over a gratuitous compliment.

[lightangel]

Well, I like passion and honesty too but, as much as I like to believe I am a princess myself, I believe in being considerate and appreciative of people who obviously have nothing but good intentions.. Vassilissa feels sorry for us for not having such a feeling of entitlement but I feel sorry for whatever has made her so angry.

Plus, I am not convinced she is completely honest, those kisses still seem a little suspect to me.. http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/biggrin.gif

[bruce]

Maybe we can convince Hilary to change the name of this forum to I Ching Finishing School of Social Graces. Or maybe, The Establishment.

It?s enough to make me want to throw my love beads away! http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/biggrin.gif

[lightangel]

You are very stubborn Bruce.. http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/biggrin.gif

It's not about social graces. It's about next time I post a question in this forum I don't want people to think twice before responding or taking too long to respond, for that matter (going over my post in great detail, making sure they dont miss anything), in fear that I will accuse them of wasting my time! See, I believe that people 'working for me' should be fairly happy in doing so. http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/happy.gif

P.S. What are love beads for???

[bruce]

lol

Me? Nahhh.. how do you think I got the nic-name "old goat"?

I understand, believe me. Not as if I've never gotten kicked in the ass for trying to help someone. But even the Roman Catholics get forgiven when they fess up.

To me, it's like opening a store, and putting a sign on it which reads "Free Candy". Someone comes in , takes a mouthful of candy and says "are you kidding me? You call THIS candy", and then huffs back out of the store (for whatever their own personal reasons). Sheesh, you say. But yet you were the one who offered to give candy. Free means: no recompense; gratitude optional.

I like it as much as anyone to be treated with patience and kindness, especially when I try to help someone, but sometimes.. well, it doesn?t happen that way.

If you?ve ever visited other forums where free readings are offered, you know what I?m saying. Compared to most, this place is a love fest. Speaking of which, love beads are what 60?s hippies wore. http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/shades.gif

[micheline]

If you read through a lot of the old posts, you can see fights and arguments that curl your hair.
When I first saw some of them, I was afraid..wondering how I would handle it if anyone was cryptic or insulting to me...but then I thought it was maybe a good thing that people could fight with healthy honesty and get on with it.

I dont like dis-honest fighting though, like blasting threatening someone privately on email...or telling someone,sarcastically, and without provocation that you think they provide "entertainment" to the board when they are sincere and kind. I have seen that. I think hand-slapping is okay too when there is unnecessary insult.

I adore jte's posts and think he is such a stand-up guy, and quite sincere and helpful...that it did bother me when V was stern with him and misunderstood his kindness as carelessness.

BUt in general, when talking on an internet forum like this, it is so easy to take things wrong, or "hear" insult when none was intended. I try to keep that in mind.
V seems more honest, maybe a tad ornery ,than nasty.
i like the tai chi way that some people on this board, (esp one whose name is martin!), come back at insults. he bounces out of the way and comes back up smiling. I have learned from his gentle refusal to take insult in the first place. Sorry, martin, to use you as an example but I really have enjoyed witnessing that over the last year or so.

love beads! yeah man. peace

[bruce]

Micheline, so true. I think there is a highly defensive mechanism which is active online that doesn't exist in real time. People that fight online would probably not fight if they sat next to each other at work, or in a social or learning group. Online leaves gaping holes, through which interpretation of intension must pass.

The other thing here is that mutual interest in Yi has brought people of very different backgrounds together. One comes from a softly mannered family or ethnic background, another from a loud and expressive background. Educational and economic backgrounds are typically big barriers. Considering all that, we don?t do too badly ?round here.

When judging others, which is better: an emotional outburst, or a calculated, strategic approach? I think we each have our preferences for that. Me, I find the coy approach dishonest and sneaky, and therefore disturbing. Someone else is incensed by rude manners; preferring polite and proper tact over an in-your-face approach.

I believe without doubt that this community, as a whole, has matured and grown past much of the over-sensitivity that plagued its first couple of years.

As for Jeff, I have nothing but respect and affection for the guy. He too has been around here a long time. I can't recall Jeff ever giving an in-depth analysis/interpretation. What he offers he does with great humility, and clear insight. If Jeff felt violated, it was cool (imo) that he could step up and speak his mind. It was he who received the offense.

(have a strange urge to break out the wha-wha peddle and play 70?s porno-funk) Oooh yeah baby?

[martin]

Thank you Micheline, no insult taken of course because you use me as an example http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/biggrin.gif.
But I have on occasion also fired back quite directly http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/angry.gif when I felt irritated.
It has not always been gracious bouncing and I can be a bit (?) nasty when I am in "debating mode".
But then, I like passion while at the same time, as the Dalai Lama said, "my religion is friendliness". So, I guess I'm a mix. http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/happy.gif

[martin]

"People that fight online would probably not fight if they sat next to each other at work, or in a social or learning group."

I agree Bruce, I have rarely seen so much misunderstandings between people as in discussions online. And it is very very easy to read things in written words that were not intended.

[bruce]

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eeyup

[jte]

Hi, Vassilissa -

Well, to the extent that your post above was an apology, consider it accepted. And to the extent that you are saying "hey, we're all human, I'm not perfect and neither are you", that is certainly true.

I seem to have misunderstood the tone of some of the things you wrote, esp. the "love and kisses" part, so for that I can apologize, too - I felt "bashed" as we say, and misunderstood. Also, some of the things I wrote above were more me venting my anger and of course are almost certainly not actually true.

Anyhow, as far as I'm concerned we can leave this behind and not worry about it anymore. Hopefully you feel the same...

- Jeff

[jte]

"I adore jte's posts and think he is such a stand-up guy, and quite sincere and helpful..."

"As for Jeff, I have nothing but respect and affection for the guy..."

Well that is certainly nice to hear - thanks very much both of you!

- Jeff

[lightangel]

Well, I am glad that I don't have the time to even look for other forums. This is usually a very pacific place and I agree with what Bruce says about the factors that perhaps make it difficult sometimes for people to understand each other in this comunity. It is, in fact, amazing how well this works out considering the different backgrounds and the lack of real life contact.

I guess what really bothered me (and this is in the latter post, when she actually said that she was angry) is that Jte is an excellent guy, as you all have said, and I tend to be a bit defensive when somebody I like is 'attacked'. But I agree, Bruce, if Vassilissa apologizes (and maybe throws in a few hail marys) well, she should be forgiven and Jeff has already done so. I agree with Micheline also that it is much worse when people are underhanded about their anger.

And, regarding Martin, well, he's living proof that you can be royalty (he is a 'prince') and still be nice! http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/biggrin.gif

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[jerryd]

BRUCE.........Man you do have some kind of guts, holding that poor Goat up and with no hands....can I as how ya did it...red in the face, toung in cheek!!!LOL

[bruce]

Jerry, ya don't wanna know, trust me.