conflict

[maremaria]

Hi ,

I’ld like to hear your thoughts about a reading.
There is a hot situation in office and I have a part of responsibility of it. I failed to finish something and it became a big problem. The other’s side responsibility is that although I had discuss with them a personal health problem (fatigue, probable chronic) they didn’t move quickly to prevent it. But this is just my point of view, we don’t agree on that.

Q, how to handle this situation with them (them-people we work together)
A : 39.3 > 8
There is an ethical responsibility to work harder but the reality is that I have to rest (doctors order) for a while.

What it stroke me in Wilhelm’s comments was the phrase : “this line shows the man who must act as father of a family or as head of his kin”. This person looks like me and my role there, but I can’t understand the meaning of “ But if he withdraws and turns back to his own”. And the fan yao 8.3 “You hold together with the wrong people”

Because I couldn’t understand which are those people (inside me or them) I asked.
Q2 : what do you mean by “wrong people” ?
A2 : 3.5 >24



And then I asked
Q2 What do they ( the people I work with) want from me.
A:3 44.4 > 57

There is a personal conflict in that situation , stronger than the one between me and them so at the beginning I’m not seen any clear answer.

What do you think those lines talk about ?

I'll appreciate any idea

Maria

[meng]

Hiya Maria,

I think the gist is: Your point of view isn't going to be understood, and it would only drive a wedge between you and them. By returning to yourself, you protect not only yourself but the others as well. A little perseverance is helpful - so it's not as though you can't express yourself at all - but great perseverance brings misfortune (for all). To defer is not to abandon.

[maremaria]

Hi Bruce,

Thanks for your input.
I noticed too that 39 and 24 talk about return to myself. If I consider some previous readings closely related to that situation (such as 59.2) I do understand the importance of that.

Is it possible to talk a litle more about 44.4 to 57. I'm trying to understand what they really want from me ? Could be useful for the negotiations ;)

[maremaria]

My first thought about 44.4 "no fish in the tank" was They want something I currently can't give not because I don't want but because I don't have. The physical strenght to create things.

[meng]

I think your interpretation of 44.4-57 is very good. What they want from you isn't available at this time. Taking the needed time to charge your own batteries may well be the best way to change that.

Here's something to consider: 44 and 57 are the two hexagrams which speak of spreading your commands. The difference is the manner in which they are spread. 44 is demanding and entitled, while 57 is penetrating. My favorite little quote for 57 is "i do nothing, where i go things happen." There's a certain subtle, suggestive and subconscious quality to 57. Making your influence felt that way may not have the immediate impact of 44, but the results will be more penetrating.

[willowfox]

Q, how to handle this situation with them (them-people we work together)
A : 39.3 > 8

This is talking about the people you work with the one's you are having a disagreement with. It suggests that you stop arguing with them and just come to some agreement because if you keep on fighting then everyone will suffer in the end, you need to make a compromise. "return to his own" means to rejoin your coworkers in an atmosphere of friendliness.
Hex 8 is about holding together with your people, stop alienating yourself by your assertive stance, you maybe right but the otherside doesn't care. So make some concessions.

[trojan]

Is it possible to talk a litle more about 44.4 to 57. I'm trying to understand what they really want from me ? Could be useful for the negotiations ;)

Just wondering if you recalled this thread. I did because i was sure you and 44.4 had had a few dealings in the past ;)

http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=4625

[trojan]

If the fan yao is a reverse image (sometimes) of the original line why concern self over who are the 'wrong people'. That wasn't your answer. If anything doesn't 39.3 point to the reverse/mirror image of 'the wrong people' which must be hmmm 'the right people...?' or those 'belonged' with.

[maremaria]

Hex 8 is about holding together with your people, stop alienating yourself by your assertive stance, you maybe right but the otherside doesn't care. So make some concessions.


Hi Willowfox,
Thanks for your ideas. Everythings you said can apply to the people outside me (coworkers) but also to the people that encourage me to follow doctor's advise, that means reduce my working hours for a while. (from 60 per week to at least 30).

Either way I have to stay close to some people and differate from some others.

[maremaria]

If the fan yao is a reverse image (sometimes) of the original line why concern self over who are the 'wrong people'. That wasn't your answer. If anything doesn't 39.3 point to the reverse/mirror image of 'the wrong people' which must be hmmm 'the right people...?' or those 'belonged' with.


Hi Trojan,

Thanks for the link. Yes I rememberd that and look at it.

As for the fan yao, I don't use it in a certain way, just sometimes the additional information help me to understand my reading. Not sure if I use it in a right or wrong way but when it helps me I believe its right.

About my reading all the lines or hex talk about an individual and the "others" . Since there is a conflict (inside me and outside) I try to understand who are they the wrong people and who the right.

[trojan]

Hi Trojan,

Thanks for the link. Yes I rememberd that and look at it.

As for the fan yao, I don't use it in a certain way, just sometimes the additional information help me to understand my reading. Not sure if I use it in a right or wrong way but when it helps me I believe its right.

About my reading all the lines or hex talk about an individual and the "others" . Since there is a conflict (inside me and outside) I try to understand who are they the wrong people and who the right.

I use the fan yao too but like i say as a reverse to the line in question, just as a help. After all if 8.3 were so important you would have thrown 8.3 rather than 39.3.... Anyway in regard to who are the people you stick with here, your co workers or those who tell you to rest it rests on the 'coming and going' in 39 which is a pain in the **** always :rolleyes: I recall Brad saying what is 'going' is the old direction, the usual ways, what is 'coming' is the newer direction you decided on. So here the newer path is what you 'come back' to ie taking care of health. If i got that wrong hopefully someone will correct me. In practice i found it to be correct anyway.

[maremaria]

I use the fan yao too but like i say as a reverse to the line in question, just as a help. After all if 8.3 were so important you would have thrown 8.3 rather than 39.3.... Anyway in regard to who are the people you stick with here, your co workers or those who tell you to rest it rests on the 'coming and going' in 39 which is a pain in the **** always :rolleyes: I recall Brad saying what is 'going' is the old direction, the usual ways, what is 'coming' is the newer direction you decided on. So here the newer path is what you 'come back' to ie taking care of health. If i got that wrong hopefully someone will correct me. In practice i found it to be correct anyway.

I don't think you get it wrong.:) . I quess that I got 39.3 instead of 8.3 because the change has come from inside. The real problem is not the outside people but the one living inside me.

Thanks Trojan

[maremaria]

Here's something to consider: 44 and 57 are the two hexagrams which speak of spreading your commands. The difference is the manner in which they are spread. 44 is demanding and entitled, while 57 is penetrating. My favorite little quote for 57 is "i do nothing, where i go things happen." There's a certain subtle, suggestive and subconscious quality to 57. Making your influence felt that way may not have the immediate impact of 44, but the results will be more penetrating.

Meng, this is something I didn’t notice. Thanks for pointing it to me. I was hoping to give my feedback earlier but there is something in that lines that I see but not clearly yet. Its fits to a thought of somehow change my role in my working environment.

I pondering on my 44 to 57. I sense that there is another layer in that reading. Still digging :rolleyes:

[maremaria]

I asked "what is the best to do for my own welfare ?"

Got 59.2 >20.
That must be the 10th may be 11th time I got this answer the past 8 days. it amaze me the "coincidence" ( ????) of my last readings. Yi insists to give me the same answers again and again.
59,2 > 20 ,46 > 52 , 54.4>19. not to mention those that I have received for 2 or 3 times.

Thank you all for your ideas.

Maria

[meng]

Maria, I think the gist of 59.2 is: you're not alone in this situation, and you must avail yourself to all which supports you. You want the opposite of the fan yao (20.2), you want to rise above being stuck in your own subjective view of things. That's where such things as offerings to the divine, going to your figurative temple to honor deity come in. It's a matter of losing (dissolving) a subjective view of your world, and gaining the more generous and benevolent perspective of deity.

[maremaria]

Too much Windy readings lately…. The wind still hasn’t dissolved the clouds.
Going to what supports me, is what I’m trying to do. Building a temple here, in a slow pace though.:rolleyes:

Btw, I was wondering why 20.2 for the woman is appropriate. Who/what stands for the “woman” here ?

[trojan]

I asked "what is the best to do for my own welfare ?"

Got 59.2 >20.
That must be the 10th may be 11th time I got this answer the past 8 days. it amaze me the "coincidence" ( ????) of my last readings. Yi insists to give me the same answers again and again.
59,2 > 20 ,46 > 52 , 54.4>19. not to mention those that I have received for 2 or 3 times.

Thank you all for your ideas.

Maria

Another perspective on 59.2 - go to that which has proved to support you in the past, that you know. In 59 everything disperses, gets less dense, all up in the air so to speak but in 59.2 I think I recall others saying and it has been my own experience, that it is time to go towards the help that is being offered from others that sustains you, holds you together, not time to go out on a limb with untried remedies etc its like hurrying towards the known, or rahter what has sustained you on different levels before - stopped the dissolution as it were.

I recall getting this over a medical matter. There was the standard medical treatment offered i wasn't sure about, but it was a common tried and trusted method. I got 59.2 for it and I thought it meant to take that help, which turned out right for me. Not sure how that would apply to your situation but in any event use what you know to help or that has helped. I'm thinking of the altar as that which keeps you 'together' in 'one piece' otherwise your energies may become scattered/weak

[maremaria]

I'm thinking of the altar as that which keeps you 'together' in 'one piece' otherwise your energies may become scattered/weak

I liked that.
My health condition is not that serious (as far as know till now without knowing some examination results yet) if I show discipline to the doctors advises.But this is the hard thing !!! It requires a total shift from my old -very bad-habits.:bag: This illness show me what I was doing to myself all that time.

thanks again

Maria