Hx 2

[parasio]

Hello,

today I asked I Ching about changing my life, because I'm really unsatisfied about the place where I live now. I want to change the place because I see no further possibilities to develop anything here.
I really tried it!

So I asked:

Where can I find a satisfied life?

Hx 2 without changing lines.

Would it mean to be only receptive, without undertaking anything?

But this would be really difficult to me, I'm just waiting for so long for a change and I can't bear any longer this situation

Have anybody another idea about the reading?

Thanks

[jesed]

Hi Parasio

I think you can get better use of Yi Jing if you try a "dialogue" from general to concrete doubts.

I dare to suggest the following dialogue... if you want, follow this questions in this order, every time taking in mind the previous answer.

1.- Global diagnosis of my Time
2.- General diagnosis of my Emotional Time
3.- General diagnosis of my Labor Time
4.- General diagnosis of my Spiritual Time
5.- What is the wiser thing to do in order to improve my Life?

Hope this could give you a clearest picture

Best wishes

[kevin]

Hi Parasio
Hexagram 2 is about manifesting things. It is also the Earth, the 'doer'.

Could the Yijing be saying, "Just do it!"?

Perhaps there are other messages there such as being open (receptive) to change?

I wonder whether studying the hexagram in detail (including all of the lines) might trigger some ideas?

Not the easiest of answers, but it is the reponse you got.

[void]

Hexagram 2 unchanging is a mystery (to me) Someone got it recently about a relationship and I was at a loss and Jesed said it indicated complete breakdown of relationship - using mathematical method. Interesting Kevin I never even thought of it as 'just do it'. I'm interested to know what others would make of this.

[jesed]

Actually, according with traditional teachings, the answer is one of the deeper you can get.

Is most "macrocosmical" than "microcosmical", and when is received as answer in a question that searches about the Sense and Nature of the consultant (question made according with traditional induction) points that the Path of the Mother is in the Individual Tao of the consultant.

The implications and consecuences of this are deeper, and is better to face them with the help of a trained Master. That's why I didn't answer in the first place... because I don't know if the question was made according with the traditional induction, and if the consultant can get the help of a trained Master.

So, the most practical advise is suggest the microcosmical dialogue to clarify where is one's life now.

best wishes

[jesed]

ps..

now, if the question wasn't about "macrocosmical" direction of life (Sense and Nature of the consultant), but about move geographically where the consultant lives... well hex 2 literally said:
South and West is better than North and East

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[kevin]

Hi Void (greetings http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/happy.gif)
I was once bewailing the mad rushing around we all do in the Western World and complained about how weirdly besotted with Yang we were.

The guy I was talking to smiled and told me he had once had the same conversation with a Daoist master (a real one!). The Daoist replied, 'Oh no, that is all Yin... rushing around and manifesting things? a big problem in the west."

I thought about this for a v e r y long time!http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/howmuch.gif

My own experience with Hexagram 2 is that it is a state of mind or stance. It is not being passive nor is it being inspired and active (Hx1). It is being open to what is happening around me, following the openings that appear and moving subtly down the thread of events. Allowing the events to take shape and to respond to the appropriate ones in such a way to grow them. Not being passive, but not instigating by direct action either.

In this way I have 'manifested' or 'realized' the time, the opportunities which were waiting to seed burst in my life.

What are your experiences?

--Kevin

[cguleff]

Parasio,

The first thing that came to my mind was "Go with the flow." Keep your eyes and ears open for opportunities and suggestions, but don't push or initiate anything. You are ready for change, and only need to facilitate and allow it to come about.

Good luck!

Chris

[void]

Not wishing to hijack this thread (honest))but synchronistically I just asked what my response need be in a very difficult family health matter - its really quite pressing yet I'm not sure how much to intervene for all sorts of reasons. I just got hex 2 line 4 for this. I'm taking this as a time to not do anything especially proactive ? Do you agree anyone, Kevin ?

Hey I know I am being very cheeky butting in like this but its important - and we are still on a hexagram 2 topic.

Kevin when I receive hex 2 unchanging I sit and look blandly at the wall for a while and think maybe I'll just let what happens happen. Your initial post suggested its more of a time to 'get on with it' though I now see you mean in a different sense - as in responding actively to what occurs without being directive in the course of events ?

Mmm in Parisios case then he stays alert to possibilities as they come up but does not make a 'hard decision' to move location ?

A woman I responded to here had hex 2 unchanging as I say in regard to her relationship which sounded quite bad - so in her case (hmmm I still wouldn't be clear about the meaning...)she needs just to stay open and responsive ?

Ooh Jesed I will have to read your post again later, getting hard for me to understand.

[bradford_h]

Hi-
I'd suggest that something might present itself, and any movement you do should be a response to that. Particularly towards friendlier ground (the Southwest) and easier circumstances. I don't think it wants you to lead yourself out of the situation, or to be otherwise determined or self-directed. Feel the force. None of this means that once you get your bearings or direction that you should go limply or weakly - the mare doesn't.
Going with the flow is good for 02. In fact, the name for this Hexagram in the Mawangdui manuscript is Chuan, flow or stream, the same word as in "advantageous to cross the great stream". Not earth at all, but water, finding a path of least resistance, then going there with all the superpowers of water.

[kevin]

Here?s a positive expression of the time of 2

Some time back I saw a problem in the service my group were offering to the public. I thought I could see a good solution, but it was radical and difficult. I asked the Yi what to do?? it gave me Hx.2. So I waited and sure enough someone said something and I merely encouraged them in their direction. Then someone else said something, allied to that, and I helped them explore it and supported them. Within a month or so we had the new project up and running better than I had envisaged. Those two folk had their name up in lights. But I had the solution I sought.

You walk along a path and come across an amazing tree. It is huge, beautiful and majestic. Your first response is probably not to look down and say, ?wow, the soil here is fantastic.?

But believe me ? the soil knows a great quiet satisfaction of being.

This is being Hexagram 2

[parasio]

Uff,

such a lot of answers. Give me 24 h to read and to understand them all:-)

@all

a kiss and a hug

[dobro]

"Where can I find a satisfied life?

Hx 2 without changing lines.

Would it mean to be only receptive, without undertaking anything?"

It means to respond to something that is coming up/will come up in your life, and to respond to it with all your faculties and capacities. Responding means not initiating. Watch for it, and respond to it.

One thought that comes to my mind is that the Yi might be telling you to respond to all of life this way. Then you will have a satisfying life. If that's the case, it's saying something like: "Life arises in and through you; respond to it with everything you've got."

[bruce]

Hi Parasio,

"Where can I find a satisfied life?"

What comes to mind is, bloom where you are planted. This doesn't mean be resistant to change; earth is in constant change. Keep your feet not just on the ground but in the ground - grounded. There is where you find your satisfaction.

[void]

The more I read here the more fitting and profound the answer Parisio received seems.

'Where can I find a satisfied life' is a big question - I'm now seeing it as 'when you're empty enough to be filled up with satisfaction is where you can find a satisfied life'.

This threads been good for me, thanks.

[heylise]

I have been living hex.2 for more than a year now, almost 2 years. It brought me myself back. My hex.2 has a name: coyote. A doggy, but much closer to nature. When I asked Yi, who is coyote, the answer was 35: fire above earth, manifestation of nature.
When I am coyote, I feel open and easy and like a child. Everything I do, goes as it should. When I lose her, I feel dusty and everything is heavy and difficult. I don't 'do' anything to make things go well, on the contrary, it is enough to be that silly child.
There are some things I have to reckon with, in order to 'stay coyote'. Not socializing too much, and being careful with whom. Some things are detrimental, like judging, arguing, not doing what I should do, but also not having enough time for myself. There is nothing big I have to ponder, nothing to 'seek', nothing lofty or whatever. Just be what I am, and I and everything around me prospers.

LiSe

[kevin]

Hi Void
You asked about lines two and four:
Line 2: It is in the centre of the (your) inner world. Everything is in balance here at this time, ?Centred and correct.? So this line is saying, if you act from this centre you are acting correctly. Take a look at Hexagram 7, where it leads and you will see what I mean.

Line 4: ?Bundled in the bag, without fault, without praise.? Line four can be seen as the emergence of the action of the lower trigram into the outer world. So what is the bag? A cocoon growing the new, a womb with something in it. Something in the bag ready for use. But it is still in the bag and you can?t use something while it is in there. Hence no blame, no praise. However it does lead to hexagram 16, Providing for. So I expect when it is ready great things may be done.

Together I would take the lines as saying, ?You are centred and correct, something is coming to term and then you will be able to act powerfully from an appropriate inner world centre.

All the best
--Kevin

[parasio]

Thank you so much for your suggestions!

My problem is since I live in this place here, the flow is gone.

And I tried also to bloom - I want to be a red rose :-)

I know this feeling to be in contact with Tao, when the things fit well.
But its like a black hole here.

A very strange place with beautiful mountains, the sea licks the foots of the mountains, the nice climate. But you cant develop anything! And I mean anything. It took 4 years to undertand this!
Once I saw on an astrological map that this place is bordered by a saturnian energy line and also by
a plutonian energy line.

Maybe now I am open for a change, before I was always infatuated by the beauty of this place which made me stay.

Also I feel I can't take any direct action, maybe this is indicated by Hx.2.

But I'm really worried about to have no more contact to the flow.

Now I am waiting for chance but not in this place.

South: water, islands, water, Africa

West: France - England

[void]

Thanks Kevin, it was just line 4 I received. I appreciate your input, turns out it is an emergency situation but no action I can really usefully take as yet.

[bruce]

Parasio,

Just to clarify, 'bloom where you are planted' wasn't intended to mean 'don't move', or don't seek a place you will be happy living in. An explorer can also bloom where they are planted: wherever they go to explore is where they bloom.

Sometimes the rose you have to grow can not grow where you presently live. But more than likely the earth will be under your feet regardless.

[bruce]

Maybe a couple of simple phrases which may help:

They are the salt of the earth.
They are well grounded.
A down to earth individual.
They are in touch with themselves. (If the self is floating around 'up there somewhere', that's very hard to do.)

[jesed]

Hi Parasio

Seems like everybody is understanding your question in diferent ways.

It would be nice if you clarify: y

ou asked where to move geographically? or metaphorically (flow with the Tao and so on)?

I understand is the first one, but probably I'm wrong. If the question was geograophically, then South and West is not metaphoric but literally.

Best wishes

[jesed]

Hi Void

About line 4 in hex 2:
Absolute closeness, maximun care and discresion.

The yinn energy could be open and could be close. When open, is receptive; when close is safety. Line 4 is yinn not open but close. Be careful, don't take leadership of the situation; avoid conflicts. This reaction wouldn't make you feel proud of yourself, but is not a fault in the actual situation

Cause of line 2.4 can be find in 9.4: if you are sincere, the risk of blood will vanish
Efect of following the advice in line 2.4 can be find in 16.4: friends keep together around you

So, is not only a difficult health situation, seems this health situation is complicated with familiar tensions and conflicts.

The advice: Stay calm, don't asume leadership but support other's efforts to avoid conflicts.

best wishes and soon recover

[parasio]

@Jesed

The question was more geographical than metaphorically. I come from another land to this place. To go back seems to me not the right thing. And because of this I asked WHERE I can live.
You explanined Hx 2 indicates South West, one part now is clear, I can't go back, because this is the north.

[void]

Jesed thanks for your kind advice. It is very accurate especially if by 'familiar' you mean to do with the family. Recently I've thrown hex 9 line 4 very often, seems it must have been referring to this situation. I've felt I really must intervene about my mothers health but it was complex and I was at a loss how to help in the situation. Now she has been rushed to hospital and I will go and see her soon. I don't think theres much I can really 'do' but I am so frustrated that the doctors don't seem to help at all. I thought its up to me to go and press them
in order to get more help for her - but as you say I think Yi is telling me not to try to take a lead in the situation - after all I'm not a doctor. There are familial tensions to complicate things also so your interpretation was very helpful.

[jesed]

Dear Void

the first "lesson" I received about the use of Yi Jing when i contacted "traditional teachings" was related to a question about how to help in the depression of my girlfriend (a little time ago http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/happy.gif )

"before asking how to help others, you need to really know what is his/her problem, and what are the deeper causes of that"

So, by suggestion of that teacher, I did 3 questions (every time understanding first the answer before making the next question):
a) Diagnosis of X's health
b) Deeper causes of X's health situation
c) What can I do to help X in that context?

The answers 1 and 2 was so clear, that was enough to think in one course of action for me.. and the answer 3 confirmed it. And a week later, the situation improved.

Maybe you can find useful this aproach

best wishes for you and your mom

[void]

Thanks I will try that http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/happy.gif

[jte]

"Where can I find a satisfied life?

Hx 2 without changing lines.

The question was more geographical than metaphorically. I come from another land to this place. To go back seems to me not the right thing. And because of this I asked WHERE I can live. "

In the world. On the earth.

:-)

- Jeff

[parasio]

@jte

:-))

[rosada]

Where can I find a satisfied life?

Hexagram 2 is traditionally titled Receptive, but I think you can also get value from considering it to mean Responcive, as in the material physical world being the manefestation or Responce to the intention of the mind, or spiritual world. Thus as a reply to the question, Where can I find a satisfied life? I see 2 as indicating the need to be somewhere more Responsive to your inner feelings. Thus, if you are an artist, go some place where artists are honored, if you are a writer, go live where there's an intellectual community. If you have been living on a Saturn line, you are probably feeling as though it's very hard to get any responce to your ideas or feelings at all where you are, so just about any where else would probably be an improvement, but as 2 also speaks of Mother Earth and Nature you may find that a more country (vs. City) location would be particularly better for you at this time.

[parasio]

@rosada

"I see 2 as indicating the need to be somewhere more Responsive to your inner feelings"

This is the problem!

"If you have been living on a Saturn line, you are probably feeling as though it's very hard to get any responce to your ideas or feelings at all where you are"

This is exactly the situation. There is ANY feedback/response to me.

Just living in the country I would prefer to live in the city.
The landscape is really lovely and I would like to stay here only for its beauty, if there were not this stagnacy and the above mentioned NO-response /NO-feedback.

It is very difficult for me. One part is in love with the sea and the mountains around me, the other part is suffering this vacuum.

Thanks for your ideas

Angelika

[peace]

Here's an interpretation from RL Wing:

In its unchanging form, Receptive (Natural Response) demands a more refined receptivity to your environment in general.
Growth and change will be checked by subjective opinions. Open up your mind, expand your character to embrace the world. Then you will find guidance along the right path.

Angelika - You said...

So I asked:

Where can I find a satisfied life?

Hx 2 without changing lines.

Would it mean to be only receptive, without undertaking anything?

But this would be really difficult to me, I'm just waiting for so long for a change and I can't bear any longer this situation?
---------------
It seems to me that length of time has nothing to do with it. To me it reads...be receptive actively. It's not about sitting around and waiting. It's taking in what's around you. Pay more attention and follow the right path.
Most people can sense when they are on the right path. By your continuing sense of dissatisfaction, it doesn't seem you are there yet.

Hope this helps.
Rosalie

[rosada]

Goodness, this discussion about hexagram 2 is giving me a MUCH clearer understanding - almost as if the hexagram itself is Responding to our attention.
My thoughts so far...the physical world, the material world, responds magnetically to our energy, and we to it's. If we are focused happy thoughts, we will energetically magnetically attract happy experiences. If we are feeling low however, we can be so low that we are manipulated by not just the people, but even by the lower conciousness of things - as in when you go to the mall to cheer yourself up and end up buying a bunch of crap you didn't need. So anyway, there's this interplay of action and response between us and the outer world and as we engage, put out intentions, choose what to respond to, then we recognize our own energy more ("That hat had MY name on it!") and develope our conciousness and feel more alive. However, to get that Responce going we have to recognize it, recognize that the oatmeal you're eating for breakfast is the manefestation of your prayer last night. Living on a Saturn line may mean that one's experiences in this location are that the world seems very slow to respond to our intentions, so slow that you don'teven see the connection. But of course we know that it is still there, the problem is that if one gives up the search and becomes depressed, the world's Responsemirrors this state of mind too and thus a downward cycle.
When I was in New Orleans I was living on a Moon line. The Moon is of course the planet of Responsiveness. I look back now and recognize this may be why I got such quick Response to my intentions. For example, when we first arrived my street had a lot of litter. As I was new and carried within me a stronger image of how a street ought to look I couldn't ignor the debre and immediately set about picking it up. Strangely, miraculously, divine timingly, that weekend trucks came and cleaned up the real eyesore in the neighborhood, an empty lot on the corner filled with old shopping carts and rusted car parts. Now I see the whole area was Responsive to my intention - which I would say was perticularly powerful because it was aligned with Beauty.
I think the key lessons in this experience - why I was effective - were first of all, I had a strong clear image within of what I wanted (a clean neighborhood), I was new to the area and so had no belief that it couldn't be done, my vision was in harmony with Higher Vision (Beauty, and also no judgement about why others hadn't cleaned the street before) I was alao clear I would not live with anything less, and finally - perhaps most important - I took action, even though it was very small.
Back to what this might mean for you, Angelica. I think the I Ching is telling us that the world is plastic to our thoughts, that one theoretically should be able to live a satisfied life anywhere on Earth, because what we have within will be stronger than what is without. However, because you are on a Saturn line you may find this principal works more slowly and that you have to really align yourself with Saturnian principles. For example, as you consider what you would like to have in your life you may find you can acquire things more easily through organized processes. Say you are wishing you had more friends, Saturn would encourage you to join a group that meets at a regular place at a regular time. Or because Saturn rules age you may find activies that interest you involve people who are of a significant age differance - so you may find being involved with seniors or young people part of the manefestation.
As it seems like you've gotten a pretty powerful response from the IChing about your initial question you might follow up and ask more on the same topic. "What should I focus on today to have more satisfaction in my life?" might be a good place to start. Or, "What is my experience here?" (You may find the IChing can put your frustrations into words better for you so you really understand the problem, or it may tell you how to look at your current situation in a way that causes you to feel good about it.)
You might also check out your astrocartography map (astrodienst.com, "travel") and see where on the planet you have your Venus or Jupiter or Moon lines. Then, even if you can't move to one of these places, put up some pictures of that local. You may find you bring the joy of that local into your current one.

Hexagram 2 is a fascinating one. I hope you'll keep us posted!

[heylise]

Rosada, LOVE your post!

LiSe

[parasio]

Dear Rosada,

I appreciate very much your suggestions and I'm still thinking about it.
My mental processing is not very fast ;-)

I know this relation between inner and outer world. This makes me worry about the situation: I'm considering that my situation here could be the mirror of my worsest fears and traumata. But I'm not totally sure about it and so I'm afraid to waste my time in an useless struggle which costs me a lot of energy.

I've consulted www.astrodienst.com (http://www.astrodienst.com) to understand the lines: surprisingly here is the line of the Moon Nod. For I know only the basics of astrology I can't interpret this line.

Also there are arouse some doubts about the Saturian line. You write:

"ay you are wishing you had more friends, Saturn would encourage you to join a group that meets at a regular place at a regular time. Or because Saturn rules age you may find activies that interest you involve people who are of a significant age differance - so you may find being involved with seniors or young people part of the manefestation."

The opposite happened to me: I was visiting all this groups because searching friends and political activities. I was happy to have all this possibilities, but everything split away. The groups dissolved, its was impossible to establish friendships or continous work. I was yearning to work with others, but the groups and/or interests were not stable.

Maybe I'm wrong about this Saturian line http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/blush.gif, know you a source to verify this global lines?

During the visit to www.astrodienst.com (http://www.astrodienst.com) I looked for my long-term influences:

Pluto Conjunction Med. Coeli
Jupiter Sextile Saturn
Neptune Opposition Neptune

With love

Angelika

[parasio]

Dear Rosada,

I appreciate very much your suggestions and I'm still thinking about it.
My mental processing is not very fast ;-)

I know this relation between inner and outer world. This makes me worry about the situation: I'm considering that my situation here could be the mirror of my worsest fears and traumata. But I'm not totally sure about it and so I'm afraid to waste my time in an useless struggle which costs me a lot of energy.

I've consulted www.astrodienst.com (http://www.astrodienst.com) to understand the lines: surprisingly here is the line of the Moon Nod. For I know only the basics of astrology I can't interpret this line.

Also there are arouse some doubts about the Saturian line. You write:

"ay you are wishing you had more friends, Saturn would encourage you to join a group that meets at a regular place at a regular time. Or because Saturn rules age you may find activies that interest you involve people who are of a significant age differance - so you may find being involved with seniors or young people part of the manefestation."

The opposite happened to me: I was visiting all this groups because searching friends and political activities. I was happy to have all this possibilities, but everything split away. The groups dissolved, its was impossible to establish friendships or continous work. I was yearning to work with others, but the groups and/or interests were not stable.

Maybe I'm wrong about this Saturian line http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/blush.gif, know you a source to verify this global lines?

During the visit to www.astrodienst.com (http://www.astrodienst.com) I looked for my long-term influences:

Pluto Conjunction Med. Coeli
Jupiter Sextile Saturn
Neptune Opposition Neptune

With love

Angelika

[rosada]

Hi Angelika,
Yeah, Saturn can be a pretty isolating influence. I grew up on a Saturn line and this last month I was back there for a visit. The whole trip was about helping my sister with that great Saturnian bugaboo, Taxes. Maybe hexagram 2 was telling you that just about anywhere else on the planet would be more Responsive than where you are right now!
Med. Coeli is the 4th house cusp, right? Fourth house discribes your homebase so maybe when Pluto conjuncts this point exactly you will "transform" your homebase -i.e. move. Jupiter sextiling your Saturn should also expand your influence.
Meanwhile is there some subject that interests you that requires a daily ritual? Like learning to play an instrument or yoga? Saturn would support such an activity.

Good luck !
Rosada

[parasio]

@rosada

Monday I restarted with my "Greeting the sun" (how the X it's called in English?) I feel just better.

Thank you for your advices

Hug

Angelika

[void]

Rosada, Idium Coeli (sp) is the home base, 4th house cusp. Med.Coeli is the 10th house cusp so Pluto is crossing the area of the chart that concerns reputation, status, career, positionin the world etc inevitably though this has impact on 4th house issues, home base etc. Pluto crossing 10th house cusp might mean really transforming your role in the world. BTW can also indicate issues around changes in relationship to parents and place of origin. These changes are deep and gradual.

[rosada]

Thank you, Void!
Are the words Idium and Id connected? Like both meaning inner child?
Just tripping,
R

[void]

No I think they might be Latin ? Medium Coeli = midheaven. I'm not sure about my spelling of the IC because its always referred to as the IC on charts etc, all I know is as oppposite to midheaven the Idium Coeli as the cusp of the 4th is the innermost private self/roots/heritage - as opposed to 10th house outer persona/reputation/career path. As you know this axis refers to the parents but its not agreed whether 4th is mother or father. I guess logically should be mother with Cancer ruling the 4th house but in practise sometimes its the father - well I suppose a father can be as much a mother figure as a woman and vice - versa.. and the mother could have the more fatherly influence, er if that makes sense.

I hope you didn't think I was bossily correcting you, its just my Virgo Ascendent coming out and being picky http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/specs.gif

Pluto passing over the Midheaven quite a powerful transit isn't it. When its done apparently the person would find themselves in an altogether different role or status in life. Not suprising Parisio should feel an urge to move - might be worth considering the impact of the parents on life choices so far also since this aspects would probably impact on relations with parents or parental figures.

[rosada]

Pick away, Virgo Ascendent, I suspect I'm not the only one learning from your corrections!

[parasio]

@void

I like your suggestion about the impact of the parents.

Because I struggeled always with my parents about my education. I wanted always to learn more: High school, then university. But my parents wanted me to a job as a clerk or secretary. They didn't accepted my desire to learn and to study. I've done it nevertheless, but with less sucess, for I was always struggling with this inherent parent voices. A long time I suffered depressions. Sometimes I notice that this old imprints are still alive. Its awfull!!

[void]

Parasio the effects of this transit are like a very powerful subterranean current washing away the outmoded in your life and psyche. ( Not always comfortable, for you come face to face with urges and feelings you may have held back for a long time )

It is said to be a period where you can 'remould' your outer role in the world to the way you want it to be and ditch other peoples conceptions of who you are, especially parents.