26.1.2 to 52 for work related issue

[exnihilo]

Hello,

I'd also like to hear your thoughts on the following two readings. I'm trying to get a collegue to work with me on something and I have a feeling that his company is stopping him even though he won't admit it. I asked the following two questions and I interpreted it as yes, his company is definitely playing role in this, In fact, it seemed so right to the point that I was surprised. However, I still want a second (or third) opinion.

What is Company X's role in this?
26.1.2 to 52

What's stopping M from going ahead with me on this?
60.3 to 5

[bruce]

Agreeing with your interpretation. Company X is putting the kibosh on this thing, big time. Line 2 may even refer to your colleague?s position being threatened. 60.3 seems to say the same. Based on 5, it may not be too long before things change, however.

[bruce]

Although, based on company X's 52, your colleague is likely the one who would initiate the change.

[dobro]

"What is Company X's role in this?
26.1.2 to 52"

Company X is greatly restraining him, so that now he's dead in the water.

"What's stopping M from going ahead with me on this? 60.3 to 5"

Well, I think you got the answer to this question in the 26.1.2>52 consultation. But perhaps the Yi is adding that because the employee in question hasn't learned how to limit the restraining influence of Company X, the situation's unfortunate. He has to learn how to let X Co. restrain him less.

[exnihilo]

Things are not looking good and I'm feeling a bit guilty. However, I don't see how this could have been MY fault, but I'm still feeling bad about it. I don't want to go into details except to say that this business environment is extremely byzantine, shot through with intrigue and backstabbing.

How is my proposal affecting his relationship with Company X?
62.1.3 to 51

I'd say that his relationship with them is in some sort of danger. I don't like line 3 AT ALL. Bruce hinted that possibly 26.2 indicated a position being threated. Here, it looks even more likely.

What will happen between them if he accepts the proposal?
23

This seems clear enough. They will sack him.

How is this affecting his career?
29.1 to 60

Holy cow. I just don't see how I could have caused this. Perhaps he has been pushing for my proposal even though he hasn't said a word about it to me?

I also asked "What's going on between him and Compnay X?" 6.4 to 59

What does he want to do about Company X?
41.4 to 4

I don't think I've ever had the IC give me a clearer set of answers. Often, I will ask about an issue and the answers puzzle me. Here, it seems just the opposite. Why? Is this something important for me to know? Has this ever happened to anyone else here?

[rosada]

You certainly do seem to be in the Zone with this one! I had a similar experience was when I consulted the I Ching about a friend who had cut me off due to a misunderstanding. Off and on for several years i asked if we would ever see each other again. Unfortunately I don't remember the hexagrams I received, but they all again and again suggested death. I took this to be a "no"....And then, lo and behold, we bumped into each other at a funeral! We had a very nice chat, and all was forgiven ( but alas, the friendship never came back to life).
Anyway, point is, yeah, sometimes IC is very clear about what it has to tell us, but even so, things may not be what we thought....

[exnihilo]

"Unfortunately I don't remember the hexagrams I received, but they all again and again suggested death. I took this to be a "no"....And then, lo and behold, we bumped into each other at a funeral!"

Bizarre! I like it though http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/happy.gif

[exnihilo]

I've been meaning to ask...

Bruce, you said,

"Although, based on company X's 52, your colleague is likely the one who would initiate the change."

Why do you say that because of 52?

[white_dog]

Because a mountain (the company's position) isn't likely to budge, so if there is a change in your friend's position, he's the one who will have to initiate it, though he appears to be in a holding pattern (5), or was at the time of this reading.

[exnihilo]

"...though he appears to be in a holding pattern (5), or was at the time of this reading."

Given the situation (too detailed to go into here) there really isn't a lot he can do except wait.

I'm also getting readings that suggest conflict between him and his company over this: "What's going on between them over this?" - 6.4 to 59. There's some trouble brewing.

I also asked again: "How is my proposal affecting his relationship with Company X?" - 36.1 to 15

Sounds a lot like the earlier answer of 62.1.3 to 51. Doesn't look like much has changed. I see 62 and 36 as being very similar. Seems he's flying low, hiding his brightness. Perhaps he doesn't want to piss them off.

I haven't brought any of this up with him though as it's a rather delicate situation and I feel that he's a bit upset about it all. When I asked what his intentions are the Yi answered with: 5.1 to 48 which sounded pretty good.

[exnihilo]

I've been agonizing over this issue, still, so any wise insight from other I-Chingers would be most welcome. I want to know if Company x is ever going to give in about this.

"What is Company X planning on doing about my proposal?"

34.3.5 to 58

!!!!! This looks good does it not? Oh, please say it's so. They're going to finally lose the damned goat and sit down to talk about it (58). Do you agree?

[void]

Then again so often the Yi refers one back to oneself that even though you phrased the question about company x's plans I'm not so sure the Yi is not addressing your attitude to the proposals.

Hmm in which case you've been very determined about all this and its time for you to let the goat go. Is that an option ?

Just a thought that came to me because I find asking about others motives is just not the most helpful way to consult the Yi as for myself I tend to get wholly confused and get the wrong end of the stick anyway. I always find its good to stay with what the appropriate action or attitude for YOU is - then its easier to get a handle on things.

[exnihilo]

I've received pretty good answers when asking about others. That's one reason I continue to do it. If I ask what someone is planning to do I get a good idea of where a situation is at.

If we can't trust the Yi to answer the question we actually asked then what's the use in consulting it? In addition, I don't like to ask about appropriate actions because I don't like the idea of having the Yi give me advice. The Yi is there to give me a rough idea about a situation, nothing more. However, since you brought it up I asked, "What should I do about this?"

29 to 43

I don't look at the lines when I get this many, only the hexes. I'm reading this as: It's dangerous for me to do anything but there will be a breakthrough involved. This makes sense. I could really piss a lot of people off if I push this and I wouldn't gain, I'd lose, big time.

[void]

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If we can't trust the Yi to answer the question we actually asked then whats the use in consulting it ?<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

Well I guess I differ greatly in my view of the Yi to you. Very different indeed. You mean you think the Yi just shows you how things are, gives you insight into the hearts and minds of others and has no useful guidance to give you ? Wow ! So you think if a burglar asks the Yi whats the best kind of property to rob tonight the Yi just answers like a good little Yi - does as its told hmmm.

Well I just don't see the Yi as that kind of servant, no. So I can't relate much at all to your thinking and I'll leave others to help you with this from now on.

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I'm reading this as : Its dangerous for me to do anything but there will be a breakthrough involved. This makes sense. I could really piss alot of people off if I push this and won't gain<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

Well that makes sense to me too.

[exnihilo]

Hi Void,

At least we agree on the 29 to 43 response http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/happy.gif

"You mean you think the Yi just shows you how things are, gives you insight into the hearts and minds of others and has no useful guidance to give you ?"

Isn't that useful guidance? It gives me a picture of the current situation. I will ask questions like, "What's going on here?", "What is X planning to do about this?", "What do I need to know about this situation?" etc. I almost always receive clear answers when I do this. To give an example:

I recently asked, for a friend, a question about HIS career: "What does manager Y think about X?" 35 to 41. The manager's view of the project didn't sound as positive as my friend had first thought and I told him that I saw some problems there. The manager has reservations about the project. I told him that based on the current reading he might want to get ready for a "No" to the project and that's exactly what happened. All I did was use the Yi to tap into the manager's thoughts. It gives me a very general idea of what's happening.

I TRY to stay away from questions about the future and questions about what action I should take. THOSE are the questions I find the most difficult to interpret. However, the 29 to 43 answer seemed pretty clear. I didn't need to ask it though, because I know very well that I would be risking a lot to push the issue.

[void]

So, out of interest, with regard to your 34,3 and 5 throw, did you think it might be about you or did you remain quite sure the Yi was answering your exact question ? Just wondering.

BTW I'd regard 29,4 as a significant opening point, it is after all the basic requirments handed in through the window so it would appear the situation is not in complete deadlock. You're given what you need to get on with things.

I do ask about others motives sometimes, but kind of regard it as dodgy ground. Life gets less complicated with less plotting and subterfuge, well it does for me. I realised a while ago I wasn't equipped for that stuff, I got anxious and confused http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/irked.gif and decided it was better to deal with what the other put in front of me, what they wanted me to know, otherwise my brain would short circuit http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/lol.gif but if it works for you, well I guess i can't knock it then.

[exnihilo]

"So, out of interest, with regard to your 34,3 and 5 throw, did you think it might be about you or did you remain quite sure the Yi was answering your exact question ? Just wondering."

I immediately felt that the Yi was answering my exact question. One reason I felt that was because I believe that this proposal WILL indeed go through at some point. I will have success eventually. I also wouldn't have been able to understand the relating 58 if I had felt the Yi had been speaking about MY stance. But, in this situation, 58, a hex about communication and negotiation, seems to make sense.

Do you think my original reading about company X, 26 to 52, was the Yi speaking to me or about company X's role in this? If the Yi was speaking to me, what was it saying?

"BTW I'd regard 29,4 as a significant opening point, it is after all the basic requirments handed in through the window so it would appear the situation is not in complete deadlock."

Maybe this relates to my feeling that the proposal will be accepted eventually. I felt that the 43 also spoke about that.

"do ask about others motives sometimes, but kind of regard it as dodgy ground. Life gets less complicated with less plotting and subterfuge, well it does for me."

I know what you're saying. Someone once told me that I was attempting to gain an "unfair advantage" by using the Yi in this manner. But, I merely see it as gaining a LITTLE insight into a situation.

[void]

I guess I don't know. There was something about how you worded the first question that made it seem clearly not subterfuge etc, just asking quite an objective question. Also the answer did seem very clear so intuitively yes I felt that the Yi was answering your question. But as it got more complex, involving a particular person - with whom you seemed determined to have your way http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/wink.gifI felt the determination in 34 and the lines might be applying to you.

Many times people here stress one should really go with ones own gut instinct about a reading. Often the first reaction that comes may be trusted. If your understanding is really on a gut level then it has to be right, others might offer a different way of seeing it but you have to trust yourself first.

BTW I find that what one needs to know about a situation will come to light quite naturally or spontaneously in flashes of intuition etc if its in harmony with the general flow and good of things.

Certainly I really don't think its possible for anyone to gain an unfair advantage over others with the Yi. Why ? Because as soon as that is your motive I think it likley the Yi just points out your motive, just whether or not you are in harmony with your own way at that time or not.

So I kinda think you under use the Yi if you don't seek any guidance from it. But you say you get really reliable answers so the way you consult must be right for you - if it works for you.... Buuut then surely its quicker and more effective to ask about ones own role/attitude/behaviour in a situation because at the end of the day that is what you need to know - and your own behaviour/understanding is often about the only variable you can affect ?

[exnihilo]

"Also the answer did seem very clear so intuitively yes I felt that the Yi was answering your question."

Me too. In fact, I had a hunch I was going to get that answer (26 to 52) before I even through the coins.

"But as it got more complex, involving a particular person - with whom you seemed determined to have your way I felt the determination in 34 and the lines might be applying to you."

LOL The truth is that I'm not even sure whom I was asking about http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/happy.gif because I don't even know who at Company X is making the decisions, although I have an idea. I do agree with you that the very first question felt 100% spot on, said it all, and I probably don't need to ask any more questions. That 60.3 to 5 felt correct as well. Who knows, you could be right about the 34 to 58. Perhaps the Yi is getting annoyed with me http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/happy.gif

"Many times people here stress one should really go with ones own gut instinct about a reading. Often the first reaction that comes may be trusted."

Yes but...now you have me wondering if I'm the goat http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/happy.gif

[white_dog]

lol - a wondering goat loses his horns.

[exnihilo]

"a wondering goat loses his horns."

It is kind of funny.

Here's one for Void: "What are the legal issues involved?" (I asked this a month or two ago) The Yi responded with 9 to 39. Now, I'm going to assume that the Yi answered the exact question because, like the first one, it was very objective. My interpretation of that answer is that there ARE legal issues involved and they are holding things up.

I guess time will tell whether or not the 34 to 58 was an answer to me. If I don't see any changes then I'm going to believe that Void was correct. Perhaps I should be more careful of my questions.

[void]

It only just occured to me to how the phrase, used in UK anyway "it gets my goat" means how something arouses the stubborn antagonist in oneself, funny I never thought of that before, makes 'losing the goat' make more sense to me. I've not had much to do with goats, I presume they must be very stubborn ?

Re the legal issues question, if thats the interpretation that leapt out at you then it wouldn't be an unreasonable conclusion to come to I guess. I would always keep an open mind that the Yi is commenting on my attitude though so I'd back off fretting/hassling/champing at the bit to get on with it/solve it.

Mostly I think people do intuitively know if the Yi is referring to an outside circumstance or their own attitudes. However I think this can be lost if one is very attached to a particular outcome.

[exnihilo]

"Mostly I think people do intuitively know if the Yi is referring to an outside circumstance or their own attitudes. However I think this can be lost if one is very attached to a particular outcome."

You may indeed be right about this. I am attached to an outcome on this one. Maybe I'm not seeing things clearly at all. In all truth, the only reading on the subject that I felt sure about was the first one (26 to 52), the same one that you also felt was answering my exact question:

"There was something about how you worded the first question...the answer did seem very clear so intuitively yes I felt that the Yi was answering your question."

I also felt pretty certain about 60.3 to 5, but that's it. In fact, when I asked another, very similar question (ashamed to say that it was a yes-no question) the Yi said 60 to 28:

"Will this EVER go through?"
(Can you feel the frustration?)

Could the Yi be merely reflecting the fact that I'M experiencing limitations? Prior to thinking about what you said I would have answered in the negative. Now I'm not so sure.

Maybe I should have either put away the coins at the point I received 26 to 52 or asked one more question, about what I should do. You have given me a lot to think about.

I have noticed that the Yi seems to match my emotions, what I'm feeling when I throw the coins. If this is true, maybe it's better to let someone else throw the coins?

[jerryd]

Exnihilo.....Allowing someone els to throw the coins is an exelent choice as far as i am concerned. You dont see a physician doing surgery on himself. Being so involved in the question is one reason I never ask my self to consult the IC on my own merit. I have almost never recieve an answer to a question which i dont already know, or at least have considered.!!
The old saying I remember is...an attorney who defends him self has a fool for a client.?

[exnihilo]

Jerryd,

I think I'm starting to believe this myself. On that note I would like to try something if you (and Void) are interested. I've given a brief description of the situation I'm facing. I know someone, let's call him A. He works for Company X. With that little information would YOU like to come up with an objective question, ask the Yi and report your answer here? I don't want to tell you what to ask because I want to keep myself out of it completely. All I will say is that I'd like to know a bit more about what's going on.

[void]

I disagree with Jerry, I can't see the point of someone consulting for you unless you don't know anything at all about how to do it.

I don't see consulting the Yi as 'surgery' lol.
I am not asking to be healed. I'm having a conversation, my soul to the spirit of Yi. Furthermore I personally find the Yi far more usefully communicative than any doctor I ever met.

I don't think the Yis there just to tell you things about whats happening in the world. After all theres a million other more reliable ways to find out. As Dobro once spoofed here, questions like 'am I pregnant', 'where is my pizza' can be pretty easily answered by using the regular routes to information like telephones and pregnancy tests.

So the point is Exnihilo not that if your're too emotionally involved you won't 'get' the Yis answers,(tho that is so too) but that if your're too emotionally involved the Yi may well address that desperate end gaining behaviour as the real issue, that actually stands in the way of your fulfillment, and talk to you about that. Only you can talk to Yi about that.

Your question has no inner meaning or charge to my soul, so I could not go to the Yi with it. Must depend on what you think the Yi is ? To me its a living spirit. If you see it differently of course you will approach differently. I don't reckon the Yi cares much what we think it is, but I can't adopt your approach cos it wouldn't feel right to me.

I never found it works for me asking for others, not even close friends. Lots of people do though, Rosada for instance and Jerry ? http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/wink.gif Hmm I shall follow with great interest !

[exnihilo]

Hi Void,

I appreciate your POV. I hope Jerry (or anyone else) is intersted though. I'm pretty curious to see if the response is anything like what I'VE received so far.

[white_dog]

Whether you ask for yourself, have someone else ask for you, or ask on behalf of another, should make no real difference to the outcome. What makes a difference is how the Yi is approached and how its answer is received, not by or for whom. If the approach and receptivity are wrong, it brings confusion and humiliation: Like a ting with a broken leg, the meal is spilled. The answer goes to waste.

[jerryd]

Well it seems there is some contoversy as to this situation. I did not place the answer I gave as an antidote to absolute success, and as for surgery being a comparison...well Void, a metaphore by anyother name is just that, and Exnihilo, I will consider you as a friend on this sight till you tell me other wise, not paying attention to Voids question mark.
I will give this situation some considration and let you know what comes of it.
Insight into anothers questions best come from the heart not the head so it may take me a bit to contact the Oracle.

[jerryd]

OOPs..I mis read what Void had said, and thought it was a part of questioning friendships, my appology to Void for the mis-interpertation. I believe "as to interpertation of a coin toss" we all are reading the toss of others here most of the time and interpertating it as if we threw it our self? In this instance; if I am asking a hypothetical, then why is it not reasonable for me to expect just as valid a reading as if it were thrown by someone els, in the same vein! After all this is a philosophical experiment in how each one of us tackles problems. Offering a twist as no one knows the missing ingredient. The truth.....

[exnihilo]

"I will give this situation some considration and let you know what comes of it. Insight into anothers questions best come from the heart not the head so it may take me a bit to contact the Oracle."

Thank you. I look foward to your toss! Honestly, I'm very interested in seeing what you get vs what I received.

[white_dog]

?no one knows the missing ingredient. The truth?

Jerry, whenever someone here says something like that, I ask myself : then why does anyone bother coming here? If no-one here can find truth in Yi?s answers, and we?re all just scrambling for pennies on the floor of a dark room, what is the point of even attempting to turn on the light? We might just as well use our favorite translation as kindling wood, and flush decades of personal experience with Yi down the toilet.

If you mean ?The Truth? as always being some sort of neat, little, indisputable package, then I agree with you; although sometimes Yi?s answer really is just that simple and obvious.

I tend to view most of Yi?s answers as simple and obvious, and I see so much pulling, twisting and over analyzing going on, it?s no wonder someone relatively new to Yi would conclude: there is no understandable Truth to Yi?s answer.

[jerryd]

Well here we go, I only wish i were wise enough to keep my remarks to my self sometimes White_Dog. It seems anytime i speak of finding a "truth" someone thinks it is unfair to question the validity of IC answers. I have a right and duty to seek answers and if I have a doubt about answers I recieve it is ok. If I must explain what a Truth is, there is no need for me to seek it. Truth has a variable rate of acceptance as per agreement between understanding and like minded individuals. This is an at best interpertation of what I mean when I say missing Truth.

[white_dog]

Jerry, this is Bruce, aka Candid. lol, and I do know what you mean about keeping thoughts to your (or my) self.

I don't see finding truth in the Yi or its answers as the problem, but expressing them can sometimes be. What I do have a problem with (and it's certainly not with you or anyone in particular) is when the obvious is passed by, and contortions of variable meanings become so muddled - usually because truth is not what the questioner wants to hear - that the entire process becomes meaningless and without power. Hence the ting?s broken leg and spilled content metaphor.

[jerryd]

Grinns, Bruce; (aka) all the above, I agree with your now clear comment, "expressing the truth is the problem" and "Contortion of variable meanings, becomming muddeled" also I have long believed that..(rejection of truth) is mostly due to it not being..what you said..." the questioner was not told what they wished to hear,"...and i try to not take offence at explaining what seems should be obvious, but like what is truth and what is obvious are sometimes one and the same...LOL...My answers to Exihilo's request are to follow rightly soon.

And a PS: to Candid and Bruce...your music is blessed with talent.

[jerryd]

EXNIHILO: My initial question to the YI is this; What contrabution can (A) make to your project. Receving Hex 54/.3> to 34........

Coveting Madenhood/ Gui Mei
54.1 Coveting dicipline significant
54.2 Seeing with one eye closed, close observation improved, motive in question!
54.3 Reversing a perspective, hold back, moveing in opposite direction!
54.4 Covetousness, procrastination, causes transgretion.
54.5 Early spring is the rank of (A) in his, her present position.
54.6 Guift or command from superior, an offer from a learned one or mentor or spiritual leader!

Moveing to 34 Line 0.3 only/

34.3 Reveals to me that a small contrabution to your project by A would make a large difference! But to beat ones head against a wall worring about it is frutless, as a set boundry has been established, moving in harmony with lifes roadblocks may prove best.

It appears (A) is accepting direction from his,her present employer (X) either because of inticements or contractual limitations signed on to when accepting the position he,she has now with (X)!

The second Question is this;

Why does (X) not wish (A) to participate in your project.

Reciving Hex 4/0.6 > to 7.0

Envelopeing/ Meng
4.1 Harvesting,shackled,fettered, enveloped
4.2 Encopassing, envelopeing significantly,- wife son, controling house.
4.3 No avaling, womanhood-gold husband (A)?
4.4 Confineing envelope- solitude
4.5 Youthful envolvement, root needs of (A) or (X) needs (A).
4.6 (X) sees attack on employee from the outside!

4.6> to 7

7.6> { the great chief possesses fate} of A and Of your project?

From the outside looking in on this reading, I question I have enough information to offer any suggestions as to its meaning for you.
If I may venture a quess and for what it might be worth, there seems to be more to your need to have this person help you with your project than meets my eye! I feel as if (A) holds a larger signifiance for you than just helping you move this from plan to completion, an emotional bond?

As For (A) seeming unwillingness to co-operate, it seems (A)'s position is secure and is what they want just now. It may be due to contractual obligations which disallow participation or it may be lack of motive!

Hope this is of some help. Respects/

I am open to any criticism anyone wishes to make on this interpertation.

[white_dog]

Thanks, Jerry, kind of you to say.

[exnihilo]

Jerry,

Unbelievable reading that confirms once again my suspicions. Thank you.

"It appears (A) is accepting direction from his,her present employer (X) either because of inticements or contractual limitations signed on to when accepting the position he,she has now with (X)!"

WOW. You got exactly the same thing I got. What you wrote is what I have been thinking all along. He signed something that is stopping him from doing what I'm interested in. He can't do both.

"I feel as if (A) holds a larger signifiance for you than just helping you move this from plan to completion, an emotional bond?"

Jerry, I'm more than impressed. There is indeed a strong emotional bond between myself and A. This is why I have been agonizing over the issue. I feel that I've put A in a VERY precarious position and he's too kind to point that out to me. It's so bad that I often wake up in the middle of the night worrying about it.

"As For (A) seeming unwillingness to co-operate"

Do you see that A is being a bit rebellious toward Company X from 4.6? I just looked at Bradford Hatcher's translation and saw "smiting the halfwit". One doesn't smite a halfwit unless he's acting the halfwit. Do you think Company X views him as a problem? It seems that way to me. When I asked how this was affecting his career I got 29.1 to 60. (This was several weeks ago.)

Just a couple of weeks ago I think I got 4.1.3 to 26 when I asked what was going on between A and Company X. Seems to be exactly what you got here. I think I'm the "woman" in line 3 and the "halfwit" is my friend. I think Company X thinks we're mad! I want to laugh but it's really not very funny.

[exnihilo]

Jerry,

I just read what you wrong about 4.6 again. You said,

"4.6 (X) sees attack on employee from the outside!"

Am I to understand that you believe Company X thinks I'M attacking A?

[jerryd]

No It may see your attempt to profer this person as an attack on their (X) property if they suspect this is happening and feel vulnurable because of it? May cause waves for (A)?

[jerryd]

P.S. Thanks for the vote of confidence Exnihilo, perhaps i should tell you the reading did not come without some dificulty, the coins seemed to slip trying to find a way to fall through my hands as though they did not wish to co-operate.....(;>(

[exnihilo]

Jerry,

It looks as if they did finally cooperate though http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/happy.gif I guess that seals it too. I've received my answer many times over now. I guess I was the goat.

"No It may see your attempt to profer this person as an attack on their (X) property if they suspect this is happening and feel vulnurable because of it? May cause waves for (A)?"

You agree with my interpretation then that they are viewing A with some suspicion because of this? I'm referring to that part about smiting the halfwit.

[jerryd]

Well here is the catch..( I )"we"? are presumeing that (X) is aware of your attempt to have (A) join you in a colaberation. I am also makeing a guess (A) may have consulted (X) about helping you? If so you may be the one in jeopardy and not (A)? There are to many maybe's here for me to go much farther with infiltating the (X) company my self...smiles...it may be why the coins were like quick silver.

[exnihilo]

Jerry,

I can guarantee you that X knows I proposed something to Y. I already heard about that. However, I understand what you're saying about "infiltrating" X. I think I have enough information anyway and I thank you for your assistance. BUT, your comment about me maybe being the one in jeopardy caught my eye so I asked,

"What risk does Company X pose for me?"

25, unchanging

I read that as "no risk" provided I remain "unentangled".

Again, thank you for helping me verify the situation.

[exnihilo]

"I tend to view most of Yi?s answers as simple and obvious, and I see so much pulling, twisting and over analyzing going on, it?s no wonder someone relatively new to Yi would conclude: there is no understandable Truth to Yi?s answer."

Hello White Dog,

Most of the time I myself find the Yi's answers fairly obvious. However, in this case, after discussing the issue with Void, I felt that perhaps I was too emotionally wrapped up in the issue and that this may have actually been affecting the throw of the coins and my interpretation of those throws. There have been times when I felt that I was throwing merely what I wanted to see. It's interesting that Jerry received basically the same answer I did. My confidence is thus restored a bit.

Ex

[white_dog]

Hi Ex,

My 'truth' comment was directed to Jerry. Funny though, even those who have a pretty good grip on the Yi can get our horns stuck in the hedges when our passion for something comes into play. That's not so much a matter of reading what we want to see, but not seeing what Yi has said. And that?s why I will always return to the original question and answer. A day or two later it can seem so much clearer.

dog

[peace]

Hi Ex...

Someone explained it to me this way when I was talking about the great insights I would get through journaling....

Where is the adult supervision?

Meaning - sometimes we spin around in our heads creating great theories and possibilities and there isn't someone around to say..."What, are you nuts???"

I find it especially challenging to understand the readings when I see a few options and I'm ambivalent.

Rosalie

[white_dog]

lol! love that! What are you nuts?

The belly never gets full by looking at food.

[exnihilo]

Here I was wondering about 4.6 and I just got it again. This time, I know what it means:

I live in a city with a lot of strays running around. I probably feed about 5-10 cats on a daily basis. A few days ago I came home and saw one of the young females "running" toward me screaming and dragging her back legs. Spinal injury. I knew that she had been hit by a car. There are virtually no animal welfare organizations around here and I couldn't find a vet who was open. Therefore, I have had this poor cat in a carrying cage for 2 days. I've been giving her food and water and she has been very quiet. She obviously knows that she's badly injured. Well, today the Vet is open and I'm planning on taking here there very soon. I'm assuming that he will have to euthanize her. I looked at her, started crying and then asked,

"What do I need to know about this cat's injuries?"

4.1.6

What could be clearer?

4.1 - Shouldn't have been running around the streets.

4.6 - She was hit by a car. ("Smiting the halfwit")

I feel awful.

[white_dog]

Ex, I'm sorry, man.

[void]

Me too. Let us know what happens.

[exnihilo]

The cat wasn't euthanized! The vet said that he was hopeful about a recovery. She still isn't using her back legs though. I've fixed a place for her on my balcony and right now she's eating a nice piece of baked fish http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/happy.gif

[void]

Excellent news ! http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/bounce.gif Well the change of 4 to 19 had me hoping a little - good vet approached cat.

[rosada]

Hurray for the cat! And what a perfect example of what we've been talking about here as far as not being able to see what the I Ching is saying when our own hopes and fears are involved. I mean, now in hindsight it seems to me 4.6 clearly states that the accident was only a wake up call, and would not be fatal. (Of course having said that, I think of that lame joke, "Death is just nature's way of telling you to slow down...")
BTW, what is the warning in 19 all about? Can anyone give a true life example?

[exnihilo]

Cat update:

The cat is doing better and is now starting to put a slight amount of weight on her back legs. She's also eating like a horse!

[peace]

She must feel good with you!

I believe 19 is Approach (with caution). Not caution like watch every step, but consciously cautious. It's also about leadership and approach with greatness - and knowing what you're doing in the right way.

[peace]

She must feel good with you!

I believe 19 is Approach (with caution). Not caution like watch every step, but consciously cautious. It's also about leadership and approach with greatness - and knowing what you're doing in a correct way.

[exnihilo]

Would anyone like to comment on this?

"What will it take for Company X to change its position on this issue?"

57.1.6 to 5

I don't know what to make of the fact that the two outside lines are the lines that are moving. Is there any significance in that?

Line 1 is about indecisiveness and line 6 is about thinking too much.

My own interpretation goes something like this (VERY general):

Company X needs to let the whole thing sink in for a period of time (hex 5).

I feel that this reading indicates that Company X isn't completely against the idea. They have reservations yes...but they can be persuaded to change their mind.

[exnihilo]

How about this one?

"How can I cope with this?"

53.2.5.6 to 46

Not sure how to understand this one. Am I supposed to cope by knowing that it's a long, gradual process that's pushing upward? The judgement on 53 says "worth the persistance". It sounds positive at any rate.