Asking helpers for help

[sliponshoe]

there's this letter on carol's homepage mentioning helpers who assist us in solving our problems:
http://www.ichinginstitute.org/shared_show.php?sharedid=18

can any of you elaborate on that?

[void]

Are they referring to spirit helpers, its not too clear from the link what is meant by 'helpers' ?

I guess it just means helpful forces in the universe that will step in if we let them and don't always demand solutions our own way. After my rant re Carol Anthony on another thread I do agree with very much of what she writes in that sense.

[sliponshoe]

so what are your experiences with helpers?

[micheline]

there are all kinds. Tuning into Archetypal energy is a form of calling on helpers. I also feel that something like what Hilary Clinton once did, and was severely ridiculed for, is extremely helpful. She had imaginary conversations with Eleanor Roosevelt.

Also, in his book, Think and Grow Rich, the author Napoleon Hill advocated having master-mind council sessions, inviting the "spirits" of great minds (deceased individuals) into the mix. And to call upon St Joseph is said to help sell or buy property.

Personally, I feel that if you think it is all new age hooey, it doesn't help at all....but if you open your mind to receive a certain kind of guidance, you can tune into many archetypal energies which are willing/able to share and assist.

Having a role model is a more simple way to think about this. If you really admire some person, dead or alive, and you think about them, read a lot about them, and tailor your actions along the lines of "what would so-and-so do now?", you start to actually become like, act in accordance with, and manifest results like the person you are "tuning into." You find you have access to other realms of mental/spiritual guidance

We are not really alone in this venture of life, but asking and allowing are necessary to getting the assistance. I find the most potent prayer is often just to say "help!" Which is why sometimes we don't get what we need until we are desperate enough to let go and let the assistance in. the help often comes at the eleventh hour, when the ego finally throws in the towel.

[sliponshoe]

thanks, micheline! so you say i should do some meditation and ask for help? does this kind of help extend to spiritual assitance? because on carol's homepage there is a message that says that she asked for help for a friend in deep depressions and a few weeks later she was going places already!

[micheline]

Hi Slip,
yes, of course "spiritual assistance".....the lines blur between spiritual and material/psychological/emotional, don't they? I say, Ask for help always, always keep your heart, eyes, ears open for help/answers to your needs. spiritual needs as well as material etc.

A while ago, I was about to go to sleep and suddenly saw a huge spider on my pillow. I mean huge. just sitting there and staring at me. OMG. I was freaked beyond words, too distraught to go to sleep, even tho i of course killed it, it was way too big to have pity on it.

for days and days, I couldnt sleep. I couldnt get the image out of my head because I am spider-phobic and a fanatic about checking for them anyway.The only thing on internet about spider-prevention was to try Lemon Pledge on all the walls by bed. I did my whole bedroom. BUt it was small comfort

about a week later, I was in a doctor's office waiting room and two ladies are discussing ants and how they get rid of them. I say "what about spiders?" and the one lady proceeds to tell me about a plug-in device at Home Depot that emits a low-level kind of vibration which spiders hate and flee from. I bought a pack of three. I have never seen a spider again here, not even a cobweb. That to me is how spiritual help comes.....it answers our call from the heart. Ask and you shall receive.

[sliponshoe]

interesting......thanks!

[bruce]

Micheline, loved your last posts here.

Think those gizmos work on brown recluses? Have a few around here I'd like to evict. Shook one out from my robe a couple of months ago. The tarantulas have stayed outside so far, except for one which got into the basin in the garage. Oh, and an occasional scorpion finds its way inside. This is not a good place for an acrophobe.

[bruce]

Woops, I meant, an arachnophobe.

[micheline]

oh my gosh, bruce ..and i thought I wanted to move out west!....: )but i think these devices will work on brwon recluses...did you say ta-ran-tu-la?????? think I might move to alaska or greenland.

[micheline]

woops, too, mean "brown"

[bruce]

Thanks, Micheline. I'll pay the local Home Depot a visit.

As creepy as it sounds, there are far fewer spiders here than other places I've lived. But, the ones that are here tend to be either very large or poisoness. But it's much warmer than Alaska. http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/biggrin.gif

[lagunader]

Michelin
you discussion of helpers is right on the target.
I don't know what I would do without them...when
"miracles" happen over and over against the odds one stops asking how or why it works! I used to be fond of C.Anthony's approach, particularly for her "philosophy of the I Ching " contribution which is definitely worth while reading.

[micheline]

Thanks Lagunader, I never read any carol anthony material. maybe i should give her a peek

Bruce, the man in home depot smiled fiendishly and said "now you will see all the bugs the spiders kill"....but I never saw any. just so you don't worry http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/mischief.gif

[bruce]

The man has a valid point. Spiders do eat a lot of pests, and I generally try to coexist with them, or find a way to escort them outside, unharmed. Exceptions being the black widows in the garage (because they are prolific breeders), small scorpions, and of course the occasional recluse (gawd, those things look weird to me). All much easier to deal with than the Mohave Green rattler, that my friend's wife recently discovered in her bathroom. What, me worry about a few bugs?

Hey, speaking of which.. ever get the feeling that these crawly things may also be messengers or helpers?

[sliponshoe]

hey bruce,

what did the i ching say about your spider-phobia? ;o)

as for the helpers: can you give me any examples from your own experience? how did you consult the helpers and what was the outcome? cheers.

[sliponshoe]

oooops! i meant to write "FURTHER" examples from other forum members.

[bruce]

Slip, I sorta view everything and everyone as helpers. That goes back to my comments on another thread about making friends of my demons. At the same time, most of my arguments are with friends. Ironic, but we all work together toward the same ends, just as with the 64 hexagrams.