Fellowship with Men - in the I Ching Community!

[dryjoe]

Some weeks ago I opened a new site about the spherical arrangement of the hexagrams (the Yi-globe), and soon after Luis made a reference to it in the 'I Ching News'. After having found the Clarity's site and having acquainted myself with the activity of this community, I joined as a friend with pleasure. Thus I have become a member of the 'I Ching Community'. :bows:

The joining to the ICC recalled to my mind a divination that I made ten years ago. At that time the Yi-globe had been reconstructed already but it was an empty form, devoid of content. I did not know, how and where I should go on, would be any sense in the further work. Then I turned to the I Ching for advice.

The question was: Are my insights correct regarding the system of the hexagrams? Can spiritual values be derived from my efforts of dealing with this subject further on?
The answer obtained was the Creative (hexagram 1), with the 9 in the 2nd place. Thus, the expected future was Fellowship with Men (hexagram 13).

The answer was not simply surprising but shocking for me. I felt as if a spirit or the Book itself had appeared, as if a supreme power had touched me then. I do not want to interpret the first part of this oracle here. In short, I took it highly favorable and promising for the future. I contemplated on the subject, got new ideas, wrote a book (in Hungarian, in 2005), and made a website (in English, 2009).

The most curious thing is, however, the predicted future, hexagram 13: Fellowship with Men. Its judgment: 'Fellowship with men in the open. Success. It furthers one to cross the great water.' Is it possible, that the oracle will be fulfilled here and now, in the I Ching Community? Apparently, it has to be the best place to find the fellowship with other persons.

And what may be the explanation for 'in the open' (in other translations: in the wilds, in the country, etc.)? Would be the newest variant 'on the internet'? What is your opinion?

Please, further my 'crossing the great water'
Joe

[willowfox]

Answer removed due to unnecessary sarcasm by our resident wit or twit is perhaps more apt!

[sparhawk]

Hi Joe, and welcome.

Your site is very interesting, indeed. Right or wrong (and IMO, regarding structures and meaning derived from the Yijing there's no right or wrong) creativity is great to witness.

Hilary, please move this thread out of the fortune telling section and into the Exploring Divination.

[meng]

Answer removed due to unnecessary sarcasm by our resident wit or twit!

I missed the jab. Don't let it get to you. Fwiw, I thought your response was concise when I read it earlier.

[fkegan]

Hi Joe and Welcome to the Community,

I appreciate that sense of meeting the Yi Oracle Spirit when you cast an initial Oracle. That was my personal experience when as a college student a friend in computer science showed me how to use the Wilhelm.

As a shared reading, your Oracle of hex 1.2 >>13, which I would call Sunshine >>Love Song with the second line place of the skeleton or structure being the focus, expressing and exhausting itself and thus evolving toward hex 13 where the 5 Yang line places indicate process with the Open Yin place indicate openness in terms of structure.

You found great power in the Wilhelm, and from your comments it assisted you to express your views to the world. It is a great Yi Oracle and its results speak for themselves.

My personal views of your work appear in my post about the Yi-globe under Sparhawk's thread in I Ching news, other comments are there too.

My views on the King Wen Sequence come from the power and sophistication when the hexagrams are laid out in order in sets of 10 viewed in terms of the hexagrams ending in 1 as Monads, those ending in 2 and 3 as Dyads, etc. This is a view based upon ancient perspectives. The Yi globe is based upon modern geography and binary number patterns. Different strokes for different folks.

My apologies I am still having difficulty expressing my insights so they are self-evident to others.

Again, welcome to the community.

Frank

[bradford]

And what may be the explanation for 'in the open' (in other translations: in the wilds, in the country, etc.)? Would be the newest variant 'on the internet'? What is your opinion?


The word jiao also carries the implication of "frontier," the leading edge of the civilized,
as well as the border back into backwardness.

[bamboo]

I missed the jab. Don't let it get to you. Fwiw, I thought your response was concise when I read it earlier.

I thought so too, an intelligent response. re post it maybe?

[willowfox]

I thought so too, an intelligent response. re post it maybe?

I would like to but I am getting so fed up with insensitive morons like sparhawk, the resident jerk who likes to make jokes at other peoples expense. He is about as funny as a dried turd.

[meng]

Hey Joe,

Let me offer a less human interpretation of 13, or perhaps I should say a more primal interpretation. What does the flower have in common with the root? And further, what does the root have in common with the soil, and soil with water? and water with heaven? and so on. This is a creative thing!

I once asked Yi, why do you bother doing this? 13

[sparhawk]

I would like to but I am getting so fed up with insensitive morons like sparhawk, the resident jerk who likes to make jokes at other peoples expense. He is about as funny as a dried turd.

Ah, so much in character; the epitome of niceness and politeness; the one that believes that frankness and directness overrules and supersedes decent communication with fellow forum members; the one that believes is constantly attacked, even at the slightest disagreement with her opinions...

I wonder two things: 1) What did I say TO YOU that prompted that verbal case of the runnies and 2) When have I, ever, insulted you as you have above? I mean, those are rhetorical questions, really, as nothing that comes out of your fingers surprises me.

I'm starting to wonder also, based on your demeanor and choice of words, if your travels in the Orient were as part of a very specific section of the entertainment industry. Alas, even there, one is hard pressed to find such a nasty character as you are, no matter how bad life have kicked them to the ground.

[willowfox]

Ah, so much in character; the epitome of niceness and politeness; the one that believes that frankness and directness overrules and supersedes decent communication with fellow forum members; the one that believes is constantly attacked, even at the slightest disagreement with her opinions...



I am always nice and polite to everyone except to people like you who seem to go out of their way to rock my boat, which you did from the very beginning. You have always acted rude and arrogant towards me, so now I am giving some of that s*** that you gave me, back to you, so why the surprise?

Certain people like you and a few others on this forum bring out the very worst in me. So you leave me alone and I will never say anything to you, mess with me and I will always retaliate.

[sparhawk]

Certain people like you and a few others on this forum bring out the very worst in me. So you leave me alone and I will never say anything to you, mess with me and I will always retaliate.

Not that I give the stinkiest rat's ass about your "retaliations," with are always as hollow as the words of drunkard, but, again, what did I say to you that prompted this nice example of your real demeanor and estate of mind?

[willowfox]

I wonder two things: 1) What did I say TO YOU that prompted that verbal case of the runnies and 2) When have I, ever, insulted you as you have above? I mean, those are rhetorical questions, really, as nothing that comes out of your fingers surprises me.

I'm starting to wonder also, based on your demeanor and choice of words, if your travels in the Orient were as part of a very specific section of the entertainment industry. Alas, even there, one is hard pressed to find such a nasty character as you are, no matter how bad life have kicked them to the ground.

Look back at your stupid little remark that you made on your post to Joe, and yes you have insulted me on numerous occasions, one that immediately springs to mind is your attempt to be funny in my "Deleted posts" thread. You are rude and completely insensitive and your "jokes", if you can really call them that, are plainly just not funny at all.

And again, I see your childish wit rises up once again, you are the whore sparhawk!

[willowfox]

Not that I give the stinkiest rat's ass about your "retaliations," with are always as hollow as the words of drunkard, but, again, what did I say to you that prompted this nice example of your real demeanor and estate of mind?


And I don't give a rat's ass about you either, as your words and "jokes" are just pathetic attempts at buffoonery.

I don't want you to communicate with me at all, so just get the hint that I don't like you, so never reply to my posts ever again and then all will be fine.

[sparhawk]

Look back at your stupid little remark that you made on your post to Joe, and yes you have insulted me on numerous occasions, one that immediately springs to mind is your attempt to be funny in my "Deleted posts" thread. You are rude and completely insensitive and your "jokes", if you can really call them that, are plainly just not funny at all.

You are telling me you took exception about suggesting to Hilary to move this thread where it belongs and not to leave it in the "Fortune Telling" section? And how is that related to your person? Rhetorical, again, I know... :D

And again, I see your childish wit rises up once again, you are the whore sparhawk!

Oh, but that's hardly news... :rofl:

[sparhawk]

And I don't give a rat's ass about you either, as your words and "jokes" are just pathetic attempts at buffoonery.

Alas, unlike you and your dreaming of being a sybil, I've never claimed to be anything but a buffoon. Heck, if I do a search I know I'll find one or two posts where I actually claim to be one... :D

[willowfox]

You are telling me you took exception about suggesting to Hilary to move this thread where it belongs and not to leave it in the "Fortune Telling" section? And how is that related to your person?


Oh, but that's hardly news...

I take exception to most things that you say but I curb my tongue on most occasions but you are another who likes the sport of fox hunting, so this time I can no longer stop myself from responding to your pokes and slights.

Most of what I am writing is not news to the people that have had to put up with your asinine humor all these years.

[willowfox]

Alas, unlike you and your dreaming of being a sybil,

Yes, I still have my dreams but what can an ass dream about?

[sparhawk]

I don't want you to communicate with me at all, so just get the hint that I don't like you, so never reply to my posts ever again and then all will be fine.

You must have a comprehension problem as I don't remember addressing you at all in this thread until you resorted to insult me. And don't tempt me because we, the both of us in this verbal ping-pong, could become the entertainment of Clarity for weeks to come or until Hilary, in her wisdom, stop us. Once on the horse I'm hard to unseat and I'd be laughing at you for days, which I guess is what combs your hair the wrong way. I just have to justify to myself how worthy of my time you are. More than likely, not much at all... :D

[sparhawk]

Yes, I still have my dreams but what can an ass dream about?

I can think of dreams for ass, the animal, and for the other meaning. Which I'm sure that in your case, up until this morning and your verbal evacuation, hasn't seen much traffic lately. :rofl:

[willowfox]

You must have a comprehension problem as I don't remember addressing you at all in this thread until you resorted to insult me. And don't tempt me because we, the both of us in this verbal ping-pong, could become the entertainment of Clarity for weeks to come or until Hilary, in her wisdom, stop us. Once on the horse I'm hard to unseat and I'd be laughing at you for days, which I guess is what combs your hair the wrong way. I just have to justify to myself how worthy of my time you are. More than likely, not much at all... :D

You have addressed me in other threads if your brain is functioning and you were extremely rude in those.
I am quite prepared to play ping pong for years if need be, and as for being on a horse, I am more used to sitting on elephants from where I am impossible to budge.
I know that you think that you are so special that you laugh at everyone anyway, so why should your juvenile sense of humor bother me?

[willowfox]

and for the other meaning. Which I'm sure that in your case, up until this morning and your verbal evacuation, hasn't seen much traffic lately.

Yes, I'm on a diet.

[sparhawk]

You have addressed me in other threads if your brain is functioning and you were extremely rude in those.

So, let's see, you picked this one thread, where I didn't addressed you, to retaliate for my alleged transgressions before? Which, by the way, were always observations about your uncivilized demeanor.

I am quite prepared to play ping pong for years if need be, and as for being on a horse, I am more used to sitting on elephants from where I am impossible to budge.

As big and strong they are, I pity the poor brutes... :D

I know that you think that you are so special that you laugh at everyone anyway, so why should your juvenile sense of humor bother me?

Is that what they call "oxymoronic"? I mean, there's a contradiction somewhere in there.

[sparhawk]

Yes, I'm on a diet.

I'm sure you are. Make sure to include plenty of fiber in it or these things tend to happen. We don't want you pop an artery somewhere at the exertion. :rofl:

[willowfox]

Is that what they call "oxymoronic"? I mean, there's a contradiction somewhere in there.

Not really, it is your rude, overbearing, arrogant and insulting manner that I find offensive, you really believe that you are superior to all us peasants. Well, up to you but like I said before it would make my day if you kept your nose stuck up your own ass and not interfere in other folks business, especially mine.

[willowfox]

I'm sure you are. Make sure to include plenty of fiber in it or these things tend to happen. We don't want you pop an artery somewhere at the exertion.

Is this meant to be funny, if so, tell me when to laugh.

[willowfox]

Have to stop for now but don't worry I will be back for more lighthearted banter with our resident clown, later on.

Have to go and read some palms. See you later.

Bye!

[sparhawk]

Not really, it is your rude, overbearing, arrogant and insulting manner that I find offensive, you really believe that you are superior to all us peasants.

Nah, that's you projecting and feeling inferior, somehow. I know better as to feel superior than anybody. :D

[sparhawk]

Is this meant to be funny, if so, tell me when to laugh.

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

(That's your cue...)

[sparhawk]

Have to stop for now but don't worry I will be back for more lighthearted banter with our resident clown, later on.

Have to go and read some palms. See you later.

Bye!


Please, don't go!! :rant::rant:

:rofl::rofl:

[sparhawk]

Well, up to you but like I said before it would make my day if you kept your nose stuck up your own ass and not interfere in other folks business, especially mine.

That's even more difficult than the "self-fornication" I talked about the other day at your effing of FK ... Oddly, I can actually picture you accomplishing such a feat... :rofl:

[rodaki]

a more primal interpretation. What does the flower have in common with the root? And further, what does the root have in common with the soil, and soil with water? and water with heaven?

a thin thin imperceptible line, wavering
to and fro
no end no beginning
just a vague suspicion of existence

[willowfox]

Nah, that's you projecting and feeling inferior, somehow. I know better as to feel superior than anybody. :D

Well, for a start I would never feel inferior to a buffoon such as yourself who laughs and most likely claps at his own "jokes". But then you are a one man show, so you have to laugh at your own nonsense as no one else does.

[willowfox]

That's even more difficult than the "self-fornication" I talked about the other day at your effing of FK ... Oddly, I can actually picture you accomplishing such a feat.

You probably can as you have such a sick and stupid sense of humour but your nose always seems to be stuck up someone else's ass, perhaps some people mistake your brown nose as being suntanned but the smell would reveal the truth.

[sparhawk]

Hey, at least I put some effort at being funny, though I may fail. Furthermore, when I joke around I know very well it is a two-way street and I expect to be paid in kind, a concept that appears to be completely alien to you. Reason why, by the way, I don't joke with you (except here but only because you started playing angry cat with me, which is hilarious). Perhaps you might have noticed that simple fact. The times I've referred to you is to point at a glaring character flaw of yours. I remember one time that, not jokingly but with real intention, I posted a series of three pictures of that image you work so hard to project of being so tough that you can chew nails and spit rivets. Well, as with all bullies, that's only a mirage that tries to hide your sad vulnerability. Your acridity, bitterness and that veil of self-assurance you have, totally misplaced and useless, is so evident and projecting that I can imagine that it really takes a lot of your energy to maintain. I suppose you would need lots of rest after your long strings of insults to the people that disagree with you, unless, of course, that you feed on it. Then again, you really are what you eat. At some point that anger will turn inward and start eating at you, from the inside out. Sad indeed that, for all the supposed "fortune telling" skills your purport to have, you haven't learned squat of what the Yijing teaches and you will more than likely leave this plane as ignorant as you came to it.

[willowfox]

Hey, at least I put some effort at being funny, though I may fail. Furthermore, when I joke around I know very well it is a two-way street and I expect to be paid in kind, a concept that appears to be completely alien to you. Reason why, by the way, I don't joke with you (except here but only because you started playing angry cat with me, which is hilarious).

Do you really put effort into your attempts to be funny, I suppose you do but these attempts do fail, so perhaps it would be nice if you were to stop your inept clowning as it is unbecoming for a person of your great age. And as I said before, an empty headed buffoon finds anything and everything funny.

[proserpine]

Spar,& Willow I haven't gotten involved in this here as it is not my business, for one, and I don't want really want to be in it .
Nonethless,I do have some thoughts to add if it is OK wiht you?
I don't blame you for being upset.Don't you see though that this is keeping this sick game going?
Willow, if you feel you are OK and worthwhile, that's the way you should feel.
Rise above this and don't respond to provocation or even what *might*be provocation, because I don't think it always is.(sometimes it is).
No one will berate you if you do your work and don't get involved in these things.(like 15 line 2 and 4--do your work and it will be noticed w/o our looking for recognition)
You know, that when we know we're OK, we don't have to scream bloody murder when someone misunderstands or insults us--I've been *there* before.:-/
You can continue to be yourself w/o proving it to someone else.
*Believe* me, my life had been all about that.
Spar,I understand what you're saying too.I didn't get you at 1st and thought you were making fun of me or being condescending, but I do like you now.(not that you need me to, but I'm glad I got beyond my inital nervous reaction)And you *are* funny.I think you're an OK guy that also makes fun of himself too.
I hear your fed-up-ness or impatience, and can understand what you're trying to get across to her.
But if you *are* corect that Willow is sad and scared inside, then she needs love and understanding--not more people telling her she's a big creep.
I do appreciate you don't want to hear her stuff anymore,and you're not at all obliged to be loving, but please try not to continue this (above back and forth) if you can?
It will do no good.
We know better than this as spiritual people, don't we?
Just my feelings, take what you can use and ignore the rest.;-)

[willowfox]

that's only a mirage that tries to hide your sad vulnerability. Sad indeed that, for all the supposed "fortune telling" skills your purport to have, you haven't learned squat of what the Yijing teaches and you will more than likely leave this plane as ignorant as you came to it.

You mention my vulnerability and you are correct for once, as I do indeed have a life threatening disease but I will not let it dominate my life and destroy my ability to lead an active life, and therefore I never let idiots dominate me either.

Also, you think you know so much about the I Ching that you are blind to the fact that others know a lot as well, including myself.

[dryjoe]

Dear Willowfox and Sparhawk,
Please, please don't lose your heads completely! And just under this headline! Let the 'Fellowship with men in this Community' be your slogan as well.
Thanks, Joe

[meng]

I've enjoyed "fellowship with Luis" for seven or more years, and this is the most I've seen him open up in a 43 way. So, really, the exchange between Willowfox and Luis is 13, as Willowfox is the catalyst for Luis' expression, as Luis is a catalyst for Wf's expression.

[meng]

line 3: Hiding away arms in the thickets. Ascending a high mound. Three years not rising.

line 4: War-chariots against a rampart. Not able to attack. Auspicious.

line 5: Union of people: first wailing and weeping and yet afterwards laughing. Great legions are capable of mutual encounters.

line 6: Union of people in the meadow. Without regret.

[my_key]

I've enjoyed "fellowship with Luis" for seven or more years, and this is the most I've seen him open up in a 43 way. So, really, the exchange between Willowfox and Luis is 13, as Willowfox is the catalyst for Luis' expression, as Luis is a catalyst for Wf's expression.

There's nothing like a good clear out to make room.
All is as it should be and everything is rosy in the garden.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO4wcNVbYOQ

:rofl:
:rofl:
Mike

[meng]

giggitty http://www.thegearpage.net/board/images/smilies/Glenn_Quagmire_Banana_by_zorkky.gif

[sparhawk]

Dear Willowfox and Sparhawk,
Please, please don't lose your heads completely! And just under this headline! Let the 'Fellowship with men in this Community' be your slogan as well.
Thanks, Joe

Hi Joe,

I must apologize to you for this to be happening in a thread you started as an introduction. When I suggested Hilary to move the thread to what I believe is the proper section for it I wasn't expecting all the came after, but, these things happen more often than you'd think.

I'd like to reiterate my warm welcome to the forum and, if you are not looking for help with a personal reading, do post in the "Exploring Divination" section.

Best,

[psi232]

good thread...good read

[my_key]

giggitty http://www.thegearpage.net/board/images/smilies/Glenn_Quagmire_Banana_by_zorkky.gif

Hey Meng
Where did you find this fellow? He's not among the normal smilies.
I'm not sure if he looks more like Richard Nixon or Luis :)

Mike

[meng]

That's Quagmire! http://bubblare.se/movie/family_guy_quagmire

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yNaHQZrZ90

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0anaCNDvGo&feature=related

[my_key]

That's Quagmire!

Ah ha. So that's who he is. I hardly ever watch Family Guy, although my son has the boxed set of all the four series. I'm more of a Waltons fan myself.

Goodnight John-boy

Mike

[hilary]

'Shared Readings' seems like a good place to share readings - thank you, Joe.

Open Space is a good place to have personal arguments.