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hilary
July 23rd, 2009, 10:27 AM
Vision

The I Ching Community is a warm and open place for free, wide-ranging exploration of the I Ching. It’s a place to learn about and from this oracle, through experience, one reading at a time. We respect the desire to learn, and honour the potential for growth in not knowing.

I asked Yi what the highest potential of this community is. It replied with Hexagram 4, Not Knowing, changing at the fifth line to Hexagram 59, Dispersing.

Welcome to the Community of Not Knowing!

The rule

As befits such a place, there are not many rules.

A huge diversity of ideas is welcomed and encouraged here, and so is vigorous debate about them all. In all this, please respect other members as individuals, and don’t post personal abuse, flaming, belittling, ‘diagnoses’ of their character flaws, etc.

A suggestion

If something about the way you do readings is unfamiliar to most members (eg the method, the text), please edit your signature to include a link to an explanation. (You can always write this yourself in Exploring Divination.)

Another suggestion

When you post a reading here in Shared Readings, please include your own response to it, too. Then you're really sharing your reading - which is your conversation with Yi (the I Ching) - and not just the numbers.

No need to write a book (though you can if you like, of course ;) ): just jot a few things down. For instance... does anything in the answer sound familiar? Feel right - or wrong? If a friend had given you this answer, what would you say to them?

Also, you don't need to be some kind of expert for this. I think it's even an advantage, sometimes, not to be: you don't have a freight of existing ideas to carry round, so you're free to see your reading with clear eyes. Then other members can benefit from your unique perspective, and you benefit from centring yourself in your own sense of the reading - engaging with it as yours, not just some lines on a page - before you open it up to others' thoughts.

How you can help

Use the new ‘thanks’ button! (This one, next to the 'reply' button under each post: http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/images/buttons/post_thanks.gif)

If you post a reading for comment, please come back and post feedback on how things worked out.

If you see a post that seems to you to break the rule, you could…


report the post by clicking the little red triangle icon http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/images/buttons/report.gif above it, and/or
respond to the person who posted it yourself

But please remember that discussing other members’ behaviour is off-topic for the main forums. Don’t post a retort on the same thread. If there’s something you want to say, start a thread in the “Moderation” forum (http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/forumdisplay.php?f=50) and say it there; then return to the original thread and post nothing but a link to your “Moderation” thread.

How post reporting works (what to expect)

The report is emailed to me and to our moderators with the message from the ‘reporter’. No-one else sees that the report has been made (and it stays anonymous).

A moderator visits the thread, reads it through and considers what to do next.

The reported post almost certainly won’t be deleted outright (because this is a conversation between adults). It may be moved to the “Moderation” sub-forum in Open Space, where anyone who’s interested can reply.

The moderator may also contact the original poster with an explanation and/or warning. If someone persistently makes posts that break the rule, I'll suspend them from the forum for a ‘cooling off’ period of a week or more, or until any apologies needed are made.

(The other moderators will move posts and send private notes, and refer things on to me if it comes to suspension.)

If you disagree with a moderator's decision you can ask them about it politely, or you can email me to protest. But sending personal abuse to moderators for doing their job is not tolerated, and incurs a one-week suspension right away.

A note about deleting posts (because sometimes people ask me to delete their posts after the ‘editing’ period on them has expired)

You own the copyright in what you post here, and you grant Clarity a license to publish it here on the website. This means I have the final say on whether or not messages are deleted or moved once they’re posted here.

rainbowgirl
July 23rd, 2009, 02:41 PM
Hi Hilary
I would just like to send you my appreciation for the new guidance you have published. I think that these are wonderful ideas.
well done and thanks very much.
Big love,
Bonnie
:bows:

emc2cme
July 23rd, 2009, 06:12 PM
I love the 4 hexagram, changing to Dispersing. It just goes to show how in tune you are with the Yi. Thanks once again for providing this wonderful playing field. May you be blessed many many times over for your care, generosity and gentle good humor.

Nancy

chandoneam
July 24th, 2009, 01:01 AM
Hello,

Just before we went, there were posted some pictograms (? newbie)
anyhow, just wanted to share how I found to layer them, with the
license permitted to beginners ;-)

http://www.futurerelease.com/Kornixal_Horn/Entries/2009/7/16_TPS_DENIAL.html

namaste,

cj-gardner

rodaki
July 24th, 2009, 09:10 AM
hi C, is this your site you've linked to?
A friend of mine once sent me the link to a Bogie clip you'd have enjoyed . . too bad youtube put it down due to 'terms of use violation' . .

rosada
May 24th, 2010, 03:36 PM
The Highest Potential for This Community

4.5 > 59

Youthful Folly has success.
It is not I who seeks the young fool;
The young fool seeks me.
At first oracle I inform him.
If he asks two or three times, it is importunity.
If he importunes, I give him no information.
Perseverance furthers.

Thus the superior man fosters his character
By thoroughness in all that he does.

Childlike folly brings good fortune.

Dispersion. Success.
The king approaches his temple.
It furthers one to cross the great water.
Perseverance furthers.

Thus the kings of old sacrificed to the Lord
And built temples.

His loud cries are as dissolving as sweat.
Dissolution! A king abides without blame.
-Wilhelm

rosada
May 24th, 2010, 03:45 PM
I love this reading Hilary got on The Highest Potential for this site!
Wow, to go from childlike folly to the king approaching his temple...

I wrote out the Wilhelm translation of these lines and included the fan yao, 59.5, because this line seems to contain some advice worth considering as we are having such lively discussions now over on Moderation:

59.5
In times of general dispersion and separation, a great idea provides a focal point for the ORGANIZATION OF RECOVERY. Just as an illness reaches its crisis in a dissolving seat, so a great and stimulating idea is a true salvation IN TIMES OF GENERAL DEADLOCK. It gives the people a rallying point - a man {versed in the I Ching?} in a ruling position who can dispel misunderstandings.

I think the I Ching is saying that we can turn to the I Ching to help resolve these situations.

btw, I like the word "resolve". It can be read "re-solve" , like take the problem and the solution apart and solve it differently..
-rosada

emc2cme
May 25th, 2010, 08:38 PM
Lovely~

gettinjingywithit
February 5th, 2011, 07:46 PM
Hello,

I just joined this online community and want to express my gratitude to the founder and the members for it. I have been learning things for free as a non-member reading posts, and now I want to begin to "give back" by participating in the public dialogue, for whatever that might be worth. What I think is best about this is that it is totally open to everyone with a Web connection, and for free.

From the fool seeking advice from the sage to 59: dispersion... building temples. Indeed...
After reading the description for 59 at http://www.yijing.nl/i_ching/hex_49-64/59-60.htm, I'd say...
* the forums are like cyberspace "temples" where one may go for contemplation
* beginners can come here and grow to become sages in their own right
* dispersion/flood as the wisdom of the I Ching/Yi Jing spreading like a flood throughout the world without boundaries
* dispersion/flood overflowing of boundaries/obstacles: like the Yi itself which transcends the limiting obstacles of our regular perception to give us access to the unbounded undefinable sublime wisdom of the Tao/Dao

I don't know about others, but I'm totally...
Gettin' Jingy With It! ;-D

hilary
February 10th, 2011, 05:45 PM
Thank you, Jingy. (Can we call you Jingy? ;) ) I like your take on 59.

gettinjingywithit
May 5th, 2011, 06:20 AM
Thanks!
Yes, you can call me Jingy :)

greekgoddess
September 27th, 2011, 02:48 PM
hey jingy,

I LOVE that site and always understand a deeper meaning to my query. Give back brother! Bring it!

:::III,

M

hilary
January 27th, 2012, 07:23 PM
(If you're looking for the post Anemos made here, I've moved it over here (http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=14224) to its own thread.)

gayelyn
March 19th, 2012, 06:24 AM
Hi just joined and I am amazed at the clear information that is so well set out .Thank you I am sure it is going to be a very worthwhile connection.