Lao Zi's Hua Hu Jing

[pedro]

Dear comrades
Ive been reading trhough the Hua Hu Jing (aka "what the heck, I might as well convert the barbarians classic"), attributed by some to Lao Zi, from Brian Walker's wonderful translation (http://hjem.get2net.dk/civet-cat/zen-writings/hua-hu-ching.htm).
As usual, I would like to have a chinese version of this inspiring text, any of you kind souls knows where I can find one?

The closest I could find so far (googling chinese) was these two pages (1 (http://cbeta.twbbs.org/result/app/T54/2139_001.htm) & 2 (http://cbeta.twbbs.org/result/app/T54/2139_010.htm)), but I cant find anything that resembles the translation, or even the chapter numbering in it. Please can someone help me clarify if this is or is not the actual text, or oherwise getting a copy of it?

[pedro]

Now that Ive read it thoroughly, I really recommend this text. Here's a taste of it that illustrates its style and depth
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Forty-Six

The Tao gives birth to One. One gives birth to yin and yang. Yin and yang give birth to all things. Now forget this. The complete whole is the complete whole. So also is any part the complete whole. Forget this, too. Pain and happiness are simply conditions of the ego. Forget the ego. Time and space are changing and dissolving, not fixed and real. They can be thought of as accessories, but don't think of them. Supernatural beings without form extend their life force throughout the universe to support beings both formed and unformed. But never mind this; the supernatural is just a part of nature, like the natural. The subtle truth emphasizes neither and includes both. All truth is in tai chi: to cultivate the mind, body, or spirit, simply balance the polarities. If people understood this, world peace and universal harmony would naturally arise. But forget about understanding and harmonizing and making all things one. The universe is already a harmonious oneness; just realize it. If you scramble about in search of inner peace, you will lose your inner peace.

Hua Hu Jing, translated by Brian Walker (http://hjem.get2net.dk/civet-cat/zen-writings/hua-hu-ching.htm)<!-/Quote-!><HR SIZE=0></BLOCKQUOTE>

[pedro]

oops,
trying to understand better what the hua hu jing is, I came accross some interesting threads that
raise some questions to Brian Walker / Ni Hua-Ching's integrity. Apparently there is no relation to THE hua hu jing that is in the daozhang (or to lao zi in the 1st place), Ni's so called "oral tradition" seems to be a fabrication (for instance he includes sayings like "throwing the baby out with the bathwater" that dont seem either ancient nor chinese) and Walker's "sources" (which he wont reveal, now why would that be?), seem to be none other than Ni's "translation".
I really wish I hadnt found out about this, as now I cant trust the text nearly as much

Anyway, check it out here (http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&amp;threadm=19961229013700.UAA25749%40lad der01.news.aol.com&amp;rnum=4&amp;prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dhuahu%26hl%3Den%26rnum%3D4%26selm%3D1 9961229013700.UAA25749%2540ladder01.news.aol.com), and even better (and shorter) here (http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&amp;threadm=4of7l1%24hbi%40gap.cco.caltec h.edu&amp;rnum=5&amp;prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dhuahu%26hl%3Den%26rnum%3D5%26selm%3D4 of7l1%2524hbi%2540gap.cco.caltech.edu) (read the whole of this message)

[shelley]

Hi Pedro

Thank you for posting this. I've been having a look at this and like it a lot!

I'm no scholar of any of the ancient classics - or of anything else, come to think of it (or at least, not in an academic way.) My spiritual seeking has been a fairly lackadaisical affair so far, consisting mainly in reading what catches my eye, sifting it through the filter of my own experience and noting what bells it rings.

If this material is being presented as something that it isn't, I can see how that dishonesty would diminish it in many respects but, imho, wise words can be found from even the humblest sources and even if this was 'The Wisdom of the Illustrious Grandmother of the Man who runs the Chinese Grocery on the Corner' it might still have great merit.

I think it might help me to feel the truth of some of the things I've read in the Tao Te Ching, which have rung bells for me but yet remain somewhat mysterious.

Please don't think I lack respect for your more serious approach and thank you again.

Love,

Shelley

[pedro]

Hi Shelley, I couldnt agree more
what we need to know always finds a way to be caught in front of our eyes; doesnt matter where it comes from, we can filter it so it becomes of some use to us in particular (we wouldnt be even paying attention, if it was not of some use)
I think the Yi also works like this, in fact, our whole life experience might be seen as one big all inclusive consultation of life's oracle, the cosmic Yi (and life's oracle is much more complicated to interpret than whatever multiple line, multiple meaning, multiple whatever Yijing)...