I would like to have some opinions on what a the difference is between" value" and "worth" when we apply these terms in light of an I Ching reading.

[jerryd]

In daily use Value is something which is found to be useful. This can be information, sometimes we pay sometimes it is free.

Something worthwhile or having worth is often classed as something with a price attached to it. My questions point is this, is something we have had to make a sacrifice for more valuable(have a larger impact on us psychologically) than something we recieve appearently at no sacrifice to our self? Which is likely to be of greater influence in the long term?

[kevin]

Hi Jerryd

Here are some thoughts?

Sacrifice can mean to give up something you want in order to preserve or attain something. It can also mean (subtly different) sacrifice as in to sacrifice / offerings to ?gods? (or people).

In this light:

Many of us in the West are deeply steeped in the Protestant Ethic. We are taught that nothing is easy and nothing comes free. Could it be that we need to ?pay a price? in order to keep our values / beliefs intact?

Having never won the lottery or similar great freebie I wonder whether one would feel guilty after such good fortune because of the conflicts with the Prot. Ethic?

Of course it could all stem from a more fundamental disposition in our species psyche.

Sacrifice/Offerings, whether it be to someone or a god, feels like a different thing to me? and I find it valuable in terms of adjusting my mind set if nothing else.

Useful words to consider alongside the word Sacrifice:

Propitiation
Expiation
Petitioning

--Kevin

[jerryd]

Good Kevin and thanks for your input, I am in hopes there will be other opinions along these lines.

[yly2pg1]

Hi Jerry, i share the same doubt as you are having. Let's see what my sub-conscious is going to tell me? coto mate.

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[jerryd]

Yo to ya and go on with it, here Is where I fall flat a lot. Keep smileing..Yl2y

[jerryd]

I believe what I think may be approperate to put here just as a stimulus.

One; what is of value to me in a materialistic way has a $ price, also at the same time I have an emotional attachment,this thing has a price attached which has no $ value. ie, it is for sale at the same price or it is not for sale at any price.

Worth; if it is a material thing is set by me for what I think I should have for it.If we speak in terms of worth as a term of usefulness or as in worthy of something this may be of no value in $ but also cannot be transfered easily to another individual just be saying here have something of worth.

Value and Worth are therefoer dependent upon what I say thay are to be? True or False.

[yly2pg1]

Sometimes, 'value and price' take a very different tact to enter a person.
This is how i see the movie "The Family Man" (by Nicholas Cage).

Nicholas Cage is a successful stock trader in New York, living his dream life of bachelorhood.
Both his life and career is a typical 'value and price' kind of trade which feeds him great pride and pleasure.
One nite, in a Christmas's eve, he left his office late and entered into a Chinese convenient shop
where he managed to save the shopkeeper from a ruthless 'customer'.

In return to his good deed, on the same nite, he was 'rewarded' a vivid and long DREAM.
In the dream ... he wakes up as an ordinary family man with 2 young kids and
a sweet wife (whom Nicholas has left 10 years ago when he pursued his dreams).

It is a road less travel ...

So, when the dream is about to end, Nicholas is very reluctant to 'wake up' any longer knowing that
he will 'lose' everything he has - his kids, his wife, his frens ... his true self(if he were to marry
10 years ago).

The DREAM has a 'value'. It brings back Nick a life which he has forgotten years ago.
This is the first thing he got to do when he WAKE UP!

[jerryd]

Yly2;
This is a good analogy to my thoughts, all is relative to ones own ideas of value and these are subject to change as we find replacements for them. When we close our minds to the idea there is no other path or nothing more valuable than the way things are we close our self to growing.

The same may be as true for worth, we make judgements about everything even the value of a Yi reading and then apply what we find worthwhile to our needs at the time. 1 second may make the difference in worth or value to the present.

[bradford_h]

The attitude of the Yi is summed up in the first four words of the Zhouyi, the Judgment of Hexagram 01: Yuan Heng Li Zhen

(The) Ultimate/Best
Fulfillment/Satisfaction
(Is the) Reward/Harvest of
Persistence/Determination

The highest value is something you work for.
The Yi also discusses in lots of places how to manipulate the perception of value to your advantage.

[jerryd]

Bradford thank you for taking you time to give me feedback on what must seem very simplistic. It is a great advantage to have your input here.