Question for the day...

[candid]

If reincarnation is true, then we?re not who we are right now. Neither will we be who we become. If we are not who we are now, nor will become what we will be, who are we?

[cheiron]

Chuckles Candid

You gonna ask Yi?

Now I am going to have a stab at it - a quick guess - Don't look at my next post here if you are going to cast for an answer.

Chuckles

--Kevin

[cheiron]

How about

36

The bright spirit embedded in the material world.

Hidden Brightness.

Fire beneath earth.

perhaps with line 1

Modesty - Well were not up to much but we do OK some of the time.

Chuckling

--Kevin

[cheiron]

I lied actually ;)

That was the answer the Yi just gave me.

I love it

--k

[candid]

Kev, I suspect Yi would just say, give it a rest (17).

chucklin here, watching for your answer.

[candid]

36... yeah, I could see that.

Oh, and I 'knew' as soon as I read it, it was Yi's answer. Makes a lot of sense, including your application.

But now what do we do for the rest of this thread?

cheesh!

chuckles

[cheiron]

Wanna see me understanding the Great Questions?


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Hope you get the handbrake off when the time comes friend

Grinning

--Kevin

[candid]

your move..

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[candid]

dang

[candid]

your move..

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[sparhawk]

Candid,
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If reincarnation is true, then we?re not who we are right now.<!-/Quote-!><HR SIZE=0></BLOCKQUOTE>

IMHO, that premise is flawed. Unless you are talking about bodies, not about a soul/self entity, then your, let's call it 'higher self', remains constant throughout eternity. You 'lower self', your present consciousness, is unaware of the other one. This is the consciousness that renews itself at birth.

In reality, however, you are what you have always been and will be until the end of time.

Now, as to how and when the two selves share the information of a present life and thus climbs another step in the evolution of that soul, such is a matter for some enlightened guru to disclose... http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/happy.gif

L

[candid]

hmmm

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[cheiron]

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[dharma]

Candid, <BLOCKQUOTE><HR SIZE=0><!-Quote-!><FONT SIZE=1>Quote:</FONT>

If reincarnation is true, then we?re not who we are right now. Neither will we be who we become. If we are not who weare now, nor will become what we will be, who are we?<!-/Quote-!><HR SIZE=0></BLOCKQUOTE>

perhaps the following passage on "evolutionary astrology" will shed a little more light on the issue you are wondering about. you will find the whole article here: http://consciousevolution.com/metamorphosis/0403/evolvastro0403.htm

"Evolutionary astrology depends on the concept of evolution in a larger context than the life of an individual human being, and much of it depends specifically on the idea of reincarnation. Like many spiritual concepts, however, reincarnation can be a limiting belief if it is taken too literally as a linear succession of physical embodiments by a single soul. There are actually many ways of conceiving the ideas of soul evolution that are not dependent on such a literal view of reincarnation. For example, Dane Rudhyar remained agnostic on the idea of sequential embodiment, and leaned toward a ?genetic memory? view of reincarnation. Another approach holds that since time itself is not an absolute, it is quite possible that one?s ?past life? is in the future ... that incarnations can skip around freely in time, rather than following one after another. Yet another view is that since we are all connected at the deeper levels of being, our collective unconscious holds memories of all lifetimes of everyone ? thus our valid ?past life? memories can actually be memories of anyone who ever lived!"

[candid]

Hi Luis,

Ahh, but two selves? I?m still questioning one.

For example, this talk of astrology on another thread, when combined with the reincarnation question, presents the question I?ve posed.

Right now ?I am? a Gemini, and all the attributes I?ve normally considered as being me can not be me if in my next life I am born under a different sign. Even if I?m born under the same sun sign, it will be affecting differently and so I will be someone else with an entirely different personality. So then, I am not my personality, now or then. What does that leave? A spirit? What traits can a spirit have if it has no personality, no animation?

C

[candid]

Hi Dharma,

Genetic memory does pose an interesting possibility. It would also tie into the whole ancestral rotation idea. And it would establish a constant in it?s fabric, which can then be identified as collective self.

I've save the link for a read. Thanks!

C

[candid]

This reminds me of a past life regression I recall hearing, where a Buddhist monk came back as an accountant. Maybe he forgot why he became a monk, or decided he?d fare better in the west as an accountant. Or maybe spiritual evolution isn?t what we typically think it is.

36 ? A light covered in darkness. Sounds right to me.

[willow]

Well, maybe not ONLY what we are right now.
I asked, "How can I convey what I want to say?" and got 40==>7 We are an army of beings constantly, moment by moment, releasing ourselves from what we are into what we also are...

[cheiron]

Willow

I love it

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--Kevin

[cheiron]

Hi Dharma

Yes - I think I have thought all of those at one time or another... sometimes all at onece!!!

My 'problem' is that I rely on the Yijing and therefore tend to get Yijing answers with Yijing views... Guess it has lead me down the root of one soul serial bodies.

Has the Tarot or other method given you to move one way or another?

Smiley hello

--Kevin

[cheiron]

Hi Willow

Does that fit the collective development view do you think?

--Kevin

[lenardthefast]

Luis,

Beautiful, concise...I couldn't have said it myself that way in 14 paragraphs. Bravo, Senor. http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/happy.gif

Dharma

Bellisimo!!!!

Namaste,
Leonard

[candid]

Higher self still sounds seperate from lower self to me. Two selves. I dunno. So then the lower self dies and what, becomes a different self? Then it was never true self to begin with. So we're back to only one self, and its not the temporal one, if in fact there really is self, aside from manifestation.

[sparhawk]

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Higher self still sounds seperate from lower self to me. Two selves. I dunno.<!-/Quote-!><HR SIZE=0></BLOCKQUOTE>

Alas, perhaps that is your real quest in life... http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/biggrin.gif

For me, what I said, makes perfect sense. Of course, it is just an abstraction and something that does not bring me any closer to enlightenment but, on the other hand, it makes me feel I have a focus point.

You appear to think that I said that there are two or more separate selves when in fact, what I tried to say is that the higher and lower are just two aspects of a single entity. The parallels with Yi dualism should be obvious.

Much the same way your senses are part of your persona and are the tools for interaction with the outside world, and the feedback inlets for your mind, the lower self is to the higher self what your senses are for your mind: experience collecting tools

Said experience, thru many incarnations, is what advances the higher self to the graduation goal of "non-reincarnation".

Well, the way I understand it, those are my Cliff Notes on the matter... http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/happy.gif

Luis

[candid]

Luis, so back to the question - what will happen to your 'lower self' in your next life? Will you still be Luis? Will you have the same personality traits, the same aspirations, the same fears, the same... identity? If not, then who is Luis?

Leonard, don't be shy. Let's hear your ideas on it. We have lots of space here.

[candid]

I think we are light. I think we live as an illusionary self-created form, but not meant necessarily in a negative way (that would be dualistic thinking). I think this which we call self is as a cloak which covers light, and which reinvents itself each lifetime. (Therefore it is not truly self.) I think when we become clear then light shines through.

[candid]

Willow, or to be delivered from the army of personalities?

[candid]

Returning to Kevin?s 36.1-15:

36.1
In the course of time light falls, becomes weighted with worldly attachment. The noble lightens the load, not eating for three cycles, not seeking what the world seeks. The host incarnate competes with light, gossips untruths, weighing heavier, covering more completely.

15
Lives simply, and giving honor to light, so that each finds a place.

Isa 14:12 KJ
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!

(*Lucifer means: being of light)

[arien]

Candid, your question has been addressed by the Buddha. In his view (someone more knowledgeable please correct me), there is no entity or anything resembled to a soul that survives death. What there is is a cause-consequence relation (just like with everything else), so that the new life is dependant-originating from the last.

But the question you raise of connecting astrology with reincarnation has been on my mind for a long while, and is indeed my most convincing argument to believe in reincarnation. Let me explain.

I have noticed parallels between the horoscopes of people and their descendants. We all know that our children inherit many traits of our personality, not merely physical aspects but psychological ones. Having a child has given me the chance to realize this much deeper, because if it can be argued that it is the education (the social part) that contributes for similar psychological traits between parent and child, it is on one hand incomprehensible then, how some children are so different from their parents, sometimes even from their brothers who had a similar education, and on the other, I have noticed some common traits in my child displayed at a very young age, much earlier, I would say, than any social influence I could have had on him.
And if it seems logical that some personality traits can be inherited via genetic transmission (which, although presupposing that some of our personality has a genetic origin, is easily acceptable by modern science), it becomes more intriguing when I realize that the astrological aspects that are responsible for my specific trait, are also present in my child?s chart. It seems that astrology agrees with genetics, but how could this be so if we didn?t chose where and when we are going to be born? Its not enough that I chose a couple of parents that will give me my genetical personality, it seems I must be born from them at a specific time and place so they give me my astrological personality as well?
Do you see the paradox? (I mean, am I explaining myself?)

Somehow I have this theory that there is an astrological continuity in our reincarnations, and the traits we inherit from our parents are themselves the consequence of an astrological descendance.

[candid]

Arien, I feel much as you do about the logic of genetic memory and it's interwoven fabric with ancestors. I can also agree that there is continuity from lifetime to lifetime, or at least it makes sense to me. Funny how much we can learn by observing children, especially our own.

I'd love to continue this conversation but my obligation to support this cloaked form (chuckle) demands I work now. Gonna be a long weekend working a Home &amp; Garden Show booth.

Thanks. http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/happy.gif

[dharma]

Hi Kevin! http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/happy.gif<BLOCKQUOTE><HR SIZE=0><!-Quote-!><FONT SIZE=1>Quote:</FONT>

Has the Tarot or other method given you to move one way or another?<!-/Quote-!><HR SIZE=0></BLOCKQUOTE>
i've always relied on accessing divine insight from as many directions as possible. i tend to pick up many forms of divination easily so although tarot is probably the biggest influence on me i can't say that it is the sole contributor to my life knowledge bin http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/wink.gif

Hi Luis! http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/happy.gif<BLOCKQUOTE><HR SIZE=0><!-Quote-!><FONT SIZE=1>Quote:</FONT>

Much the same way your senses are part of your persona and are the tools for interaction with the outside world, and the feedback inlets for your mind, the lower self is to the higher self what your senses are for your mind: experience collecting tools<!-/Quote-!><HR SIZE=0></BLOCKQUOTE>
like the comparison you made here very much. you are wiser than you let on my friend... http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/happy.gif

Hi Candid! http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/happy.gif<BLOCKQUOTE><HR SIZE=0><!-Quote-!><FONT SIZE=1>Quote:</FONT>

so back to the question - what will happen to your 'lower self' in your next life? Will you still be ____? Will you have the same personality traits, the same aspirations, the same fears, the same... identity? If not, then who is ____?<!-/Quote-!><HR SIZE=0></BLOCKQUOTE>
more from my "bin"(?) http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/wink.gif

i see the lower self as one consciousness that, at present, is the one that we identify with but reflects only one aspect of the many that go towards the total composition of one's personal whole -the higher self.

thus, the development of the higher self is highly dependent on the individual refinements of all the lower selves. and each lower self is refined through its own unique focus/lifetime (as in reincarnation)

i see it all happening right now, all at the same time.

[arien]

have you guys considered that in due time we may all be going through ALL of the experiences, so we will all eventually be Cleopatra and Napoleon? I may have been Dharma or Candid in another life, or I may be one of you in the next http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/happy.gif

Could it be that this is just one single multifaced entity fully experiencing itself?

[dharma]

i like the idea you present Arien http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/happy.gif (btw, being me is a very sexy experience and there is, no doubt, a long waiting line... LOL)

seriously though (or as seriously as one can get about a speculative topic) even when the "one single multifaced entity is fully experiencing itself", i don't believe that any of the lower aspects that go towards composing it, ever loses themselves inside the whole. meaning: i expect that each one [of us] is capable of attaining a full awareness of their individual selves within the Whole should we succeed in realizing the entire refinement process.

[candid]

(pops in for just a minute between tasks)

Arien:
"there is no entity or anything resembled to a soul that survives death."

I haven't suggested there is no entity. Obviously we are entities or we couldn't be having this discussion. What I am saying is that this which we call entity is not truly self, any more than I am my shirt. I have not said there is no soul either. If I were to identify my soul I'd say, it is the cumulative traits acquired during many manifestations of self. Primal beings believe that a self photograph steals one's soul. But the photograph is not, nor can it be, a soul, its only a photograph. I don't believe I am my shirt or my photograph, but I don't deny there is a shirt and photograph, which we can call entity. But neither of these is my self.

[shelley]

Love you Dharma!!

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Shelley

[dharma]

love you too Shelley! http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/hug.gif

could i please sign in now for my turn at being you? with so much love emanating from your corner, i expect a long waiting line to develop in due time http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/happy.gif

[gene]

I haven't had time to read this whole thread, but just wanted to say that it seems to me our astrological chart only shows us the mask we put on for this particular incarnation. Our rising sign especially tells us the mask we wear in front of others. The whole chart is a mask though, and only part of the overall person gets filtered through it. In our deeper selves, higher selves if you will, we are all things.

Gene

[shelley]

Hey, Dharma - d'you think we can arrange a swap when the time comes? It certainly is fun being me and it'd be great to have a go at being you. I wouldn't want to upset the rest of the gang by queue jumping, though. Better keep it quiet, eh?

Love,

Ssshhhelley

[candid]

Gene, I am so pleased to hear you say that. I was feeling like a voice in the wilderness, or maybe just peeing into the wind. Maybe I still am, but its nice to know I'm not the only one getting wet.
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[cheiron]

Hi

Folks and the odd voice in the wilderness ;) This thread is wonderfull!

I'm really busy working on 61:62... my notebook is sodden with ink - Well my keyboard is xoverren in sticky supper...

But been thinking about these posts a lot too.

Warm hello and thanks

--Kevin

[candid]

Looking forward to it, Kev.

[lenardthefast]

In my next life "I" am DEFINITELY going to be Dharma. I have it straight from a "Higher Authority". Read this and weep, folks. Sorry, but I got in the queue long ago. Neener, neener! http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/biggrin.gif

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Namaste,
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Leonard

[lenardthefast]

Hi Candid,

Sorry, but IMHO, Gene was mistaken in his post. Your correct natal chart when done by a competent astrologer has 'both' your 'mask' self AND your 'true' self explained in easy to read layman's terms. Correct me if I am wrong on this, Dharma.

I have found that the study of my natal chart has done more for my awareness of 'me' than all those thousands of LSD doses I took in the 60's put together. (Wow, now theres an ideahttp://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/happy.gif )

Honest.

Namaste,
Leonard

[candid]

Hi Leonard, well damn! I didn't know 'mask' was a term coinded for anything. It just sounded close to what I've been trying to say, ya know, shirt-mask? Ah well, alone again.

[lenardthefast]

Hi Candid,

YOU are NOT alone, Bro. Pick up that axe and grind out some BLUUUEES! BTW, thats what I'm doinghttp://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/biggrin.gif.

Namaste,
Leonard

[candid]

Well wait, maybe its not so different after all. I mean a mask is a mask, right? That it applies as the counterpart to 'true' self means we are in agreement. I never said there wasn't a mask, just that the mask covers our light, our true nature or self. And it wasn't even I who said it, it was Yi's answer to Kevin for my original question. Wonder why no one's seemed to have a different interpretation for it?

Leonard, actually I just put the axe down a few minutes ago, amp's still on standby in fact. http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/happy.gif

[lenardthefast]

Hi Candid,

As I understand it, the chart, if used correctly, helps you to remove the 'mask' and let YOUR Light shine. But, first, promose me that you will let me know beforehand, I wanna buy some real dark shades before YOU DO that! http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/biggrin.gif

Namaste,
Leonard

[candid]

Leonard, from what I hear the light is clear, no shades required. But I think its cool to wear em anyhow. http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/shades.gif

[candid]

Leonard, You ole dog! I just revisited your profile and you look ANYthing but alone, dude!

[lenardthefast]

We DO make a cute menage a tois, non?

*grins* *chuckles* LMAO!

"Clear Light'? Hmmmmm... I seem to remember something by that name from the 60's, I think I ingested lots of it, too. Yummy for the brainpan! Not to mention it helped my typing skills. http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/happy.gif

Namaste,
Leonard

[candid]

LOL! Never heard of clear light, just window pane, and it was a pretty clear pink. And are you certain it helped your typing? I mean, did you try reading it the next day? LOL

[lenardthefast]

Oh, most assuredly, kind sir. Yeah, there was this book that came out in...oh..about 1969, called "LSD-The Age of Mind". There was a chapter in it that dealt with accomplishing certain skills utilizing the psychoactive. The example used was typing and I wanted to see if it worked, so I tried it and it DID! Learned to touch-type in ONE night! Then I applied the technique to smoking, stopped in ONE night, NO withdrawal, No craving, just stopped. (Started again about 2 years later when I realized that all those 'benefits' I was supposed to experience just weren't happening!) This was around 33 years ago, I might give it a try again. *grins* *cough* *hack* http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/biggrin.gif

Anyway, 'clear light' was similar to 'window pane', 'cept it was clear as a contact lense. Ah, wonderful days...and nights...and days. Whew, I wanna go back! http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/happy.gif

Namaste,
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Leonard

[bradford_h]

Hi-
Training behavior into 2nd nature on LSD really works. I had two friends (aged 20) who used to practice bowling on 300 mcg (!!!) doses (maybe 5 street hits nowadays). Both bowled 289's in this state. One of these guys saw the Magnificent Seven and stayed up all night on acid until he could quick draw a holstered Colt 45 revolver between two clapping hands. Their friend here just sorta quietly went mystical (in a scientific sort of way).

[gene]

Candid

I feel like I am blowing in the wind all the time. Oh well.

Gene

[gene]

Well, my plan is to make this my last incarnation. Last time I checked I was about 650 years behind schedule in accomplishing this, but still trying. Not that I wouldn't care to be Dharma, don't get me wrong. But I care more to be me. I like that verse in Revelations. "to him that overcometh...He shall go no more in nor out." (How the church would chortle if they understood that that was a reference to incarnating into a physical body.) And I wouldn't be surprised if Dharma is working on the same thing. (Don't mean to speak for you though Dharma.) I do understand Dharma is working on her energy field, and maybe, just maybe, she will make it in this lifetime too. Maybe we all will. (I wonder if they have the internet in heaven. So we can all keep communicating with each other, ha ha ha)

Later,
Gene

[dharma]

right about now, Dharma's thinking that maybe, juuust maybe, one more micro-dot will shatter the last vestiges of her illusions and then! perfect
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but she suspects that this is as perfect as it's likely to ever be
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[gene]

Cool, Dharma

I've had enough of chopping wood and carrying water though. How about before enlightenment, sleep and eat rice. After enlightenment, sleep and eat rice.

Gene

[cheiron]

Nice Dharma http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/happy.gif
---------------------------
I should have stopped taking acid when I found I was doing things in response to things which had not happened yet... when I was not on a high...

One example... Sitting in a house with some friends... I looked at my watch and simply announced, 'hey two old palls are comming round and I got up to make a meal for them as they lived a very long way away.

20 minutes later they arrived... banging on the door and shouting 'surprise'. I had not even spoken to them in a year... Curious thing time.

People look at you funny when you do that you know.... heheheh

Trouble is I still do it know and again? but now I blame overexposure to the Yi? There might be more to knowing the ?seeds of the time? than is at first obvious.

--Kevin

[lenardthefast]

Never had anything but positives out of the literally thousands of trips. Got a lot of hang-ups left over from childhood/teenage years straightened out during my twenties. It certainly taught me to accept myself as I was and take things one step at a time. Also had some incredible out of body experiences. Found that meditating on the Tarot trumps while under the influence was the quickest way to assimilate the symbolism. Haven't tried it with the YI simply because I no longer have a reliable source. Of all the recreational drogas I have tried,(and that would probably be ALL of them), acid, mushrooms and mescaline are truly theraputic. At least, that has been my own personal experience. http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/happy.gif

Namaste,
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Leonard

[lenardthefast]

Hi Brad,

This is a postscript to my previous post. LMAO when I read yours about the bowling guys because I have also had the same experience with bowling(I was bowling 290 or so after one session). Also used it for baseball when I was 25, simply incredible, I could stand there in the batters box and watch the pitcher throw the ball in slow motion, and then watch the ball approach in slow motion. Let's see, do I want to put it in left or right field? *chuckles*

Namaste,
Leonard

[cheiron]

Dear Mr Leonard

In the intrest of fair posting on Clarity

The committee requests a urine sample.

Please email it to:

Samples@olympiccommittee.com

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--Kev

[lenardthefast]

Hi Kev,

Uhhhhh,....I think I will invoke the Fifth Amendment here.....it's all a pack of lies.. I believe someone must have posted under my nom de plume...anyway, I didn't do it, whatever anyone says, even if they(Luis), have pictures. LMAO

Namaste,
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Leonard

[cheiron]

L
Love your picture and your post
Wonder what it must be like to be under sail at night, on acid... pleasant Force three, no chute and the sky sliding by?

Bliss

Hey, Scotty, my time is up http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/happy.gif

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--K

[tashij]

KEVIN WHERE DO YOU GET THOSE INCREDIBLE LITTLE CARTOONS!!!!!http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/crazy.gifhttp://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/crazy.gifhttp://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/crazy.gifhttp://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/crazy.gif

[cheiron]

Hi Tashiiij

Search for emoticons on google... be patient...there are two or three serriousla good sites.

But they are not for everyday folk ;)

Enjoy....

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--Kevin

[tashij]

kevin, your latest reminds me of a story:

http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/6774/lovebook.htm

imagine the little fellow above in the story when you get to the part.....

[cheiron]

Tash

Excellent

I liked that a lot.

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--Kevin

[cheiron]

No this is happy!

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--K

[lenardthefast]

Kev,

It's bliss, pure bliss.

Namaste,
Leonard

[heylise]

Tonight sun and moon entered Aries at almost the same moment, which is quite rare. Something like a double moment of spring.
Moment to ask for this year, what should I know - do - be - the allover general picture.

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Hex.57, unchanging

LiSe

[lenardthefast]

Hi Arien,

Was re-reading this thread and realized I had somehow missed your post on child/parent astrological connection. Although I have always believed that one choses one's parents, I hadn't heard about the astrological connection before. Do you have any links/data on this philosophy that you could share? Thanks in advance. http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/happy.gif

Namaste,
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Leonard

[dharma]

Leonard,
the only book that i know of on the subject is called "The Astrology of Fate" by Liz Greene. i thought it was out of print but i see that new copies of it are still available out there. if you are interested in this subject then this book is definitely worth a read. if you come across any other titles would you let me know? thanks http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/happy.gif

[lenardthefast]

Hi Demitra,

Thanks for the info. I will go looking for it on the web tonight after work. http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/happy.gif

Still sending those purple hugs.

Namaste.
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Leonard

[dharma]

thanks! for the "Barney" hugs, Leonard - combined with my lumbar-support belt i'm truly feeling much better these days http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/happy.gif in fact, when my little nephews first saw it on me (the belt, that is) they told me it looked like the WWF "trophey", so i do my best imitation of Razor Ramone when i'm wearing it just to crack up them up http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/wink.gif never imagined how hysterically funny this situation could become...

[tashij]

Dharma -- really happy you have found some relief. Have been thinking about you every day since reading your post. Im sure we all have been.

lov
tash

[dharma]

thanks tash,
i hit a really low point when i mentioned it, otherwise i never would have said a word -i'm not much for complaining- tend to always look for the silver lining even when its hardest to see. not that i was surprised, but you were all really great about it... i guess its good to share openly sometimes, it gives one newer ideas and warm purple hugs when one least expects them http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/happy.gif

[cheiron]

Hi Dharma

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--Kevin

[dharma]

that's sOMe! hug there Kevin - leave some room for my lumbar-support belt http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/wink.gif

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[tashij]

Yes - understand what you are saying Dharma. Agreed. I have noticed though, that posting at a critical mass point can be very transformative.

Best wishes, always.

[lenardthefast]

Hi Demitra,

The last line of your last post to me reminds me of the signature at the bottom of your emails. http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/hug.gif Don't follow the WWF too much, but your belt sounds hilarious. Laughing as in 'guffaws' is not allowed per doctors orders though. http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/biggrin.gif

Namaste,
Leonard

[dharma]

Tash,<BLOCKQUOTE><HR SIZE=0><!-Quote-!><FONT SIZE=1>Quote:</FONT>

Yes - understand what you are saying Dharma. Agreed. I have noticed though, that posting at a critical mass point can be very transformative.<!-/Quote-!><HR SIZE=0></BLOCKQUOTE> here's a passage from an astrology book [The Gods of Change] i was reading last night. it made me think of what you said here.

"In 1977, the Nobel Prize for chemistry was awarded to a Belgian physical chemist, Ilya Prigongine, for his theory of dissipative structures, and his work scientifically demonstrated what the ancient Chinese knew very well; that stress and crisis play a critical role in the process of transformation. Like wei-chi, the Chinese word for crisis, Prigogine's results support the idea that breakdowns and upheaval in our lives are also opportunities for something new to happen... ...the breakdown of the system makes it possible for it to break through to a whole other way of organizing itself. Such is the dynamic nature of growth and the nature of transformation."

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Hi Leonard,
guess what? inside the book i just quoted from i found the name of another book on the subject of family astro-connections that you were asking about called, "Dynasty: The Astrology of Family Dynamics" by Erin Sullivan. if you get a chance to read it let me know what you think of it so i can decide whether or not to pick up a copy for myself http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/happy.gif

[lenardthefast]

Dear Demitra,

Thanks for the tip, will check it out and let you know whaddup. http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/happy.gif

Namaste,
Leonard

[tashij]

Dharma, http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/wink.gif
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[gene]

Dharma

Sounds like you are doing well.
That's great!!!

Gene

[dharma]

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hi Gene,
still got the problem but find no value in continually harping on it. trying my best to make good out of a bad situation. glad to hear from you though! http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/happy.gif

[gene]

Hi Dharma

Right now I am listening to an interview with the authors of "Pistis Sophia" I find it very, very fascinating. It relates to the Nag Hammadi library books. Also about the relationship with Mary Magdalene, etc, etc, etc. They also just now mentioned the Genesis six text, about the mating of humankind with angels. This is something you might find very very interesting. Go to coasttocoastam.com Wednesday's show, and you can find out more about it.

Gene

[dharma]

Thanks Gene! i will be looking into this over the weekend http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/happy.gif