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sunpuerh
May 19th, 2004, 05:08 PM
Charles Coghlan, a leading actor in Victorian times, was born on Prince Edward Island, off eastern Canada. After a distinguished career, he died, following a brief illness, in Galveston, Texas, in 1899. Too far from Canada to be sent home, Coghlan was interred in a lead-lined coffin and placed in a local burial vault.

A year later, Galveston was struck by a hurricane that hurled massive waves over the cemetery and washed Coghlan's coffin out to sea. In stately solitude, the weatherbeaten box floated into the Gulf of Mexico, rounded Florida and sailed up the American coast until it reached Prince Edward Island. It was then picked up by local fishermen. He had made it home and was buried in the church of his baptism.

the story has a decidedly spooky resonance: the dead adrift on the high seas, like Dracula's boat carried by the tides towards Whitby.

pakua
May 20th, 2004, 01:45 PM
"Coghlan was interred in a lead-lined coffin "

Just curious... how does a lead-lined coffin float thousands of miles?

rinda
May 20th, 2004, 02:00 PM
(giggle)

I think such coffins are usually air-tight? I kinda doubt that that would counterbalance the weight of the lead though. Good observation Pakua!

Rinda

rinda
May 20th, 2004, 02:10 PM
The story is a lovely metaphor for our journeys back to (God, heaven, bliss, etc.) though - no matter how difficult or impossible the terrain or seas, we can get there, we are there already...

Rinda

heylise
May 20th, 2004, 06:00 PM
If it is airtight, it will float, I guess. Maybe not ON the water, but half or entirely under the surface. Maybe the best way to return to God, heaven, bliss?

Love the story,

LiSe

lenardthefast
May 20th, 2004, 07:46 PM
Pakua, It can float as long as it doesn't leak. Same as large ships made of steel and concrete float.

Namaste,
Leonard

val
May 20th, 2004, 08:07 PM
"John Cousins, a University of Prince Edward Island history professor, teaches a class in local folklore. He said the story was nothing more than an urban legend.

?I am sure the story is not only fiction, it is what is called fakelore,? said Cousins. ?That is a fictional account made to sound like an authentic tradition and foisted off by writers who have something to gain, most likely money.?

The legend spread after the story was widely published as a Ripley?s Believe It or Not syndicated feature. It was republished and discussed at length in Ripley?s first book, published in 1929.

The original Ripley feature said: ?Charles Coghlan comes home! He died in 1899 and was buried in Galveston. When the tragic flood came his coffin was washed out to sea and the Gulf Stream carried him around Florida and up the coast to Prince Edward Island ? 2,000 miles distant ? where he lived.?

"But it?s unlikely that Coghlan was even buried in Galveston, much less washed to sea during the 1900 hurricane. Both The New York Times and The Galveston Daily News reported on Nov. 28, 1899, that Coghlan?s body would be sent immediately to Prince Edward Island for burial.

The following day, the Daily News published a follow-up story that said Coghlan?s widow intended to have his remains cremated, in keeping with her husband?s wishes. Since the nearest crematorium at the time was in St. Louis, the widow planned to take Coghlan?s body with her to New York, where there were family members and a cremation could be accomplished.

The Daily News reported that Coghlan?s body was at the Levy Brothers funeral home, awaiting transport to the East Coast. "

http://www.100megsfree4.com/farshores/p03coff.htm

lindsay
May 21st, 2004, 05:15 PM
Val, thank you so much for the word "fakelore"! It fits perfectly the recent work of a prominent Yi authority who is often honored here. I have been trying to think of the right word for a long time.

Lindsay

sunpuerh
May 21st, 2004, 09:11 PM
I of course don't know whether the story is fake or not. There is a new book out on the subject of coincidences and this is from the book itself. The author seems reputable but who knows? It sounds improbable but then....

sunpuerh
May 21st, 2004, 09:19 PM
another

A KIMONO successively owned by three teenage girls, each of whom died before they had a chance to wear it, was so unlucky it was cremated by a priest in 1657. But as it burned, a wind fanned the flames and started a blaze. The fire destroyed three-quarters of Tokyo, levelling 300 temples, 500 palaces, 9,000 shops, 61 bridges, and killing 100,000 people


Beyond Coincidence, by Martin Plimmer and Brian King

lindsay
May 21st, 2004, 10:08 PM
Wow! True or not, Sunpuerh's example suggests an interesting point. We tend to think of synchronicities in terms of serendipity, that is, unexpectedly good and positive results. But isn't Jung's idea providentially neutral? Unrelated events could just as easily be working toward our hurt, harm, or destruction. The meaning of a series of seemingly random events could be to put us in the middle of the road just as a speeding car swerves around the corner.

Just a tad more controversial, readings of the Yi might conceivably be intended to deceive as well as to enlighten, so that our fates can be fulfilled when we are marked for suffering. Everyone knows that omens can point to bad circumstances as well as good ones, but can oracles deceive in the service of some over-riding schema? I have heard stories in which oracles were misleading, causing individuals to proceed willingly to their destruction because they were misled into thinking all was well. Later, of course, people said the oracle was misinterpreted, but this seems somewhat disingenuous to me. An oracle like "You will get what you deserve" is a good example of this sort of thing. Whoopee!, I think, I deserve success! But Moira may have other ideas, may be ready to snip my thread. I rush forward with my plans, and the Big Fly-Swatter in the Sky swishes down. Whap!

Lindsay

dij
May 21st, 2004, 10:25 PM
My favourite is the one when a fisherman guts a catch to find a ring his wife lost 20 years ago.

hilary
May 21st, 2004, 11:26 PM
Hi Lindsay,

A certain Yi author I'm guessing you don't like once told me he'd seen cases where Yi deliberately misled people using to bad ends - carefully directing them into the nearest handy deep pit.

dij
May 21st, 2004, 11:39 PM
wow Hilary that's a new one on me. did they say why would Yi do that, other than being an expression of the diviners self sabotaging personality?

hilary
May 22nd, 2004, 12:53 AM
Yes, it was very new to me, too - I've never noticed anything of the sort, but then I don't suppose I've done readings for as many people (yet http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/wink.gif).

Ah - have just reread my own message and seen why you're asking what you're asking. I can't type straight. Try again. Yi misled people who were trying to use it to accomplish the wrong kind of goal.

Of course this opens a ridiculous-sized can of worms about who's going to decide what a 'bad' goal for using Yi is, and whether they get to do this with hindsight...

lenardthefast
May 22nd, 2004, 01:03 AM
Thanks for the stories, Sun, I liked them.http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/happy.gif

Namaste,
Leonard

dij
May 22nd, 2004, 01:34 AM
Thanks for clarification Hilary. I think you can't be mislead by Yi because it's too vague and multifaceted to begin with. You can only be mislead by your own interpretation, or by accepting someone elses interpretation that then turns out to be leading to bad places.

How do people ever get any sense out of Yi is beyond me http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/happy.gif

sunpuerh
May 22nd, 2004, 04:39 AM
The Great Treatise says that misfortune is never the will of heaven. I have never seen the Yi mislead someone. In Hexagram 4:6 the Yi will predict punishment for foolish behavior (not that I have ever had this line!) but in that event you are punished by your sins not for them.

Sun

hilary
May 22nd, 2004, 10:54 AM
Well, I suppose it would make some kind of sense in theory for Yi to prevent the accomplishment of plans that meant misfortune for a third party. But like I say, this is altogether outside my experience - never seen anything like it at all. I just mentioned it because it seemed to chime with Lindsay's speculations.

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hilary
May 22nd, 2004, 11:25 AM
Not that this has anything to do with where this thread has gone, but I wanted to post it somewhere and it hardly merits a thread of its own:

From Cary Tennis of salon.com (found via a Google webalert):

"If the Internet has an unconscious, Google is its I Ching"

sunpuerh
May 24th, 2004, 12:10 AM
I would like to hear of coincidences in our personal lives: this 'coincidence' continues to baffle me. About a year prior I learned that my Dad's family had settled in North Carolina in the 1700's at place called "Vaughan's Creek," Vaughan being my maiden name. I was going on a road trip to New York State and a few nights before began having dreams of wandering through a small village but I did not connect it in any way with Vaughan's Creek. While traveling from Florida to New York on I-95 there was an accident and everyone had to exit the highway. I traveled down a side road for about 40 miles and went over a rise and there it was, deja vu all over again. I had a strong feeling about the place. I sat in the car looking and finally looked up at a very weathered, old sign. Well, the sign said "Vaughan's Creek." The place is so small and has been essentially abandoned, only the sign remained and there on the right was the little village I had been dream walking through. Coincidence?

lindsay
May 24th, 2004, 03:48 AM
Sun, I really enjoy reading your postings, they are full of new and interesting ideas, but I'm wondering where you are going with this thread. The difference between a coincidence and a synchronicity is that a synchronicity is supposed to be personally meaningful and a coincidence is not.

Synchronicity is often cited as an explanation for the action of the Yi, and many find this convincing, though I personally think it is a feeble idea, a sign that the older Jung was losing his power to think. In any case, sychronicity has some relation to the Yi -- but what about coincidence?

Coincidences are such that we do not understand their meaning -- if they have any meaning. Yes, it's all rather creepy and mysterious that A coincides with B, but so what? In the world of ten thousand things, many odd combinations and occurrences are bound to happen, no? It's the law of large numbers.

There are many people who argue that nothing happens by chance. Everything happens for a reason. I am not one of these people, I reject this idea root and branch, but let's assume it is true for a moment. Surely it is their responsibility to prove, or at least demonstrate, the reason behind seemingly unrelated events? If you are going to say things are actually related, then the least you can do is show how. I'm not asking why, only how.

lindsay
May 24th, 2004, 04:09 AM
Sorry, Sun, I posted accidentally before I finished writing. What I posted sounds much too disagreeable by itself. What I wanted to add was only a question about the value of coincidences. Do you think it is worthwhile thinking about them? I ask this, because my inclination is to say "So what?" when I read your stories. Many weird and odd things happen everyday, but that doesn't mean that they are meaningful, does it? Maybe you are simply a connoisseur of the strange and mysterious? I used to love Ripley's Believe It or Not too, but it never occurred to me to put it in the same category with the Yi. I'd love to hear your thoughts on all this.

Lindsay

heylise
May 24th, 2004, 09:15 AM
Try Amit Goswami's books (a quantum physicist), then suddenly it makes sense. Probably not for Ripley, but casting the Yi and getting a literal answer to your question is not that incredible anymore.

'The Selfaware Universe", and 'The Visionary window' and several others.

LiSe

candid
May 24th, 2004, 01:25 PM
To my thinking, the only difference between coincidence and synchronicity is the conscious awareness of the co-incident in synchronicity. Co-incidence is an incident that one is co-active in or with, that is, conscious working in co-operation with unconscious. If nothing conscious is applied to the event, it appears as coincidence only. As soon as the conscious makes a meaningful connection to the coincidence it then becomes synchronicity. I do not think Jung?s definition of ?meaningful coincidence? was due to his aging mind, but rather to his conscious awareness of the unconscious.

How actually meaningful the event is is subject to the value one places on it. Value is the job of conscious, while movement in time is the action of the unconscious. Its like a big book that is opened to the present page; the only thing separating the future incident from the present is the time and the action of reading. The arrival is the co-incident, but the connection of continuity is the synchronicity. Premonition of coming incidents is the subconscious peeking at future pages in the book (the collective story). This is, I believe, how Yi works.

sunpuerh
May 25th, 2004, 03:13 AM
Dear Lindsay, Lise, Hilary, Candid and all: I would really like to drop synchronicity from this thread. I find the theory wearisome and feeble.

In any event, the experience I have described has several fascets:

the dreams,

the accident on the interstate, and;

my subsequent detour down an unknown road;

having a strong experience of deja vu when seeing the place;

and chancing upon the old, weatherbeaten wood sign that faintly said "Vaughan's Creek."
Had I been more than 3 feet away I would not have been able to read the sign and the Creek itself was dammed in the 30's and is now a small fish camp upstream. There is no Vaughan's Creek anymore.

I think of the dreams and this happening upon this place as a precognitive event. But, how is the Interstate closed down just at that spot? Is it coincidence?

Perhaps a spirit (I sensed a strong spirit) knew I would detour down this road and wanted me to go into the settlement beside Vaughan's creek. (In my 2-3 dreams, I wandered that little settlement and knew exactly how to get to the house). Perhaps this entity caused the Interstate, (and I should say for those in other countries this highway is the major north-south highway between Florida and New York,) caused the highway to shut down just as I happened upon that spot.

I beg the question: is this a series of coincidences plus precognition on my part? Does the incident remain inexplicable?.

BTW the Hexagram for this trip in part was 56:5 so it sounds like good fortune at least.

I see Lise has cited some of the new quantuum physics, I also recommend the Dancing Wu Li Masters which theorizes about how the future occurs.

To me it is simple how the Yi works-chi or qi responds to our thoughts. CHi has intelligence but it answers the question literally because it is a subjective medium. It answers reflexively and impersonally yet it is equally available to all. The hexagrams and lines have some beneficience but I think this is due to the authors of the Yi. Essentially chi is an intelligence that is not aware of itself. Modern metaphics is based on this model as is actually the Chinese and yoga (especially gnani yoga which is use of the mind) also has this concept.
Perhaps the quantuum particles show evidence for this.

Sun

rinda
May 25th, 2004, 04:00 AM
Sun,

first the dreams point you toward a goal, or a destination... On your way to another (more mundane?) destination you are side-tracked and led to a ghost (spirit? past embodiment?) of the first destination. I asked Yi what these events meant for you, or were trying to tell you, and received 50.2.3.5.6 >45.

Ghost town, ancestors, hmmm... I wonder if this might be telling you that your current life-journey, though it may look mundane, is not so, but rather is a kind of sacred offering, and will accomplish a special purpose related to the values you've inherited from your family.

Have you been wrestling with questions about the meaning of your life? with what you have to offer? if so, this sounds like a huge vote of confidence.

Rinda

jte
May 25th, 2004, 05:41 AM
"Perhaps a spirit (I sensed a strong spirit) knew I would detour down this road and wanted me to go into the settlement beside Vaughan's creek. (In my 2-3 dreams, I wandered that little settlement and knew exactly how to get to the house). "

While it's rather difficult for us humans to know the answer to something like that, my guess is it knew you were coming so it baked a cake... something like that...

"Perhaps this entity caused the Interstate... to shut down just as I happened upon that spot."

I suspect that it would not shut down the highway just for you. However, if it knew the highway would be shut down and it knew you'd be around that area at that time, it might arrange for you to know about it and give you directions in advance...

"Does the incident remain inexplicable?"

Of course. :-)

Of course, the above is just my sense of the situation. I have no special knowledge of how spiritual beings work and could well be wrong.

- Jeff

candid
May 25th, 2004, 12:18 PM
Discount synchronicity, but acknowledge coincidence and spirit intervention? They are inseparable, quantum particles and all ? slices of the same pie.

sunpuerh
May 25th, 2004, 07:37 PM
Dear Rinda, first of all-your ideas give me shivers! and I will re-read the entire thing. In a bit on 'synchronicity' I just now put the Book down from doing a reading on Hexagram 50.

I guess we all struggle with the meaning of life. In my case I was given an I Ching assignment to utter and complete surprise in 1976. Since them I have been bound at the sacred mountain with an assignment so to speak.

Rinda, after many, many bad results I do not divine physically for others. This is not to say that I am not grateful for the time and thought that led you to do this. That's a wonderful gift coming from so far away...

Candid, I just find the synchronicty idea has become a sacred cow of the overly-rational Western thought. Methinks in a 200 years Wilhelm himself will be deified! For me I see a lot of stagnation in Western I Ching theory, although much is being done in history and translation. Its that Westerners struggle with how the I Ching works. Wilhelm's idea was just that, a little theory. Wilhelm's genius is in the translation and what a gift he and Lao Nauxian gave to the world!
Sometimes I think the West took the I Ching 'tree' but not the 'roots' Synchronicty is the Western overlay, the tree without its theoretical roots; a theory less than 100 years old, in and of itself o.k. but it seems to supplant at least 2,000 years of Chinese thought in its current Western application.

Jte: I think it baked a cake for me too. I will always wonder why I did not enter the little settlement and find this house. I promised to return. Anyone in North Carolina with a calling for spooks? Just kidding but I will return.

As ever,

Sun

lindsay
May 25th, 2004, 08:33 PM
Wow, Sun, nobody's talked like that around here for a long time! I feel like somebody just opened a window.

I've been thinking about your "Vaughan's creek" story and about Shang divination (other thread), and it occurred to me that maybe your ancestors are trying to get in touch with you. Is there some old family business that needs to be resolved, perhaps? It looks like you may be the person chosen to do it.

Just an idea. But if this episode doesn't sound like a case of ancestral communication, then I've never heard of one that did.

Lindsay

candid
May 25th, 2004, 09:57 PM
Sun,

I respect your point of view, but I fail to see what Wilhelm has to do with my own view of synchronicity. There's nothing written of it in Wilhelm, nor is the word even mentioned in the text. It isn't my sacred cow, even though I am a mere westerner.

cheiron
May 25th, 2004, 11:00 PM
Dear Sun

I have thought about your experience on and off all day?

There is something potentially important there I think?

I am not so interested in synchronicity and the how at all? like most folks I can give half a dozen explanations and I don?t know which is right? and I suspect it does not matter.

(sorry if this sounds abrupt ? I have just finished a 14 hour shift and want to get this off to you ? forgive me)

I have had many such experiences and found that by opening myself up to them I learned about many important things re, this world and my place in it ? indeed I learned about my key life tasks through such experiences.

I do not know what tools you possess to explore this or whether you want to explore it at all.

Should you want to explore the meaning of it, you will find the how? that is always easy IME?

What I really want to say is that this may be important for you?

I will leave it there? so much to say which I do not know is welcome.

--Kevin

PS OK LiSe I will order those books - long overdue http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/clipart/happy.gif - Thanks

sunpuerh
May 26th, 2004, 03:42 AM
Dear All, thanks for all your insightful comments. I immediately changed my mind about Rinda's hexagram reading because it seems so right on point. So, Gathering Positive Energy will be my mantram for now.

I think there must some ancestral message and some family business to attend to. Isn't it nice to have a mystery, a place to explore, to go home, really home to the place of the ancestors? I only knew the brothers and sisters who are all gone now. The sisters worked in cotton mill when they were just 12 years old and their mother had died after losing two children to scarlet fever. As a humorous point the sisters, staunchly Southern Baptist, dipped snuff secretly into middle age, something they learned while working there because smoking would have caused an explosion in the cotton mill. Ever heard of Dan River Mills? Dan River cotton is still famous.
Vaughan is a Welsch name meaning 'junior' Until the Great Census of Cromwell the Welsch had no last names, so this family adapted this appellation. As a group they sang constantly as the Welsch do, mostly hymns but my dad could bring tears to your eyes singing 'Danny Boy.'

And, yes, I'm glad I opened a window it's been getting too right-brained around here!

As ever,

Sun

candid
May 26th, 2004, 03:56 AM
Nothing personal intended, Sun.

I wish you well on your journey.

lindsay
May 26th, 2004, 05:23 PM
Luis, while I'm asking for explanations, I'd like to ask you directly what you mean by "I don't think they'll be deified as much as some current living "Masters" are being deified here and elsewhere on the basis that if they come from the "correct" genetic stock they must be right."

"Genetic stock"? That sounds pretty interesting. What do you mean?

Lindsay

sparhawk
May 26th, 2004, 05:53 PM
Oh Lindsay, the "genetic stock" comment was just a euphemism that I thought was an obvious reference. What I meant is that many have a tendency to believe that, to really grasp the meaning of the Yi and transmit it to others, you must be a Chinese Master of some sort. At least for me, that whole concept is rubbish. Don't misunderstand me, I don't mean to take any credit away from the real Masters that came up with the whole system a few millenia ago. But, once the Yi cat was out of the proverbial Chinese bag, any decent brain in the world should be able to study it and draw their own conclusions. Yes, you must always reference the history of the Yi within the Chinese context and I am most happy to do so and enjoy it very much, but, to believe that "real" Yi masters must be Chinese does not find a place in my mind.

In any case, it is my own problem to have severe allergic reactions when groups of people are idealized to the detriment of another. I try to keep a very even keel and follow a middle path when it comes to judge (or perhaps misjudge-I'm very close to the bottom when it comes to perfection) beliefs, scholars and Masters, regardless of where they come from. Perhaps it is because I've had my own share of cult experiences when I was young... who knows.

Luis

candid
May 26th, 2004, 06:05 PM
I very much agree with Luis here.

The easiest way to lose one's tao is to emulate the tao of another. A westerner runs the risk of losing rather than finding inner truth though pretentious mimickery; it is nothing more than idol worship. If Buddhahood is to be attained by a cowboy, it will be on a horse, not a dragon.

lindsay
May 26th, 2004, 07:26 PM
I completely agree with Luis too. In fact, Luis, you expressed something very well that I've been thinking about for a long time. The Yi has a future as well as a past.

When the Yi came to the West, it was unavoidable (in fact, highly desirable) that it became Westernized. This is also Candid's point, I think. The Yi isn't just a Chinese museum piece, it's a living tradition that is healthy and growing. In a small way, perhaps, we are all part of that tradition.

Sometimes I think about what new thing about the Yi would really excite me these days. Short of some amazing new archeological discovery (always a possibility in China), more work on the Chinese background doesn't interest me as much as a creative amalgam of Western and Eastern ideas that makes sense and offers guidance in the world I live in.

Practically speaking, I'm afraid I look to the Yi not so much for information or prediction, as for advice and wisdom. That is the need I have most these days. Too often real understanding is in short supply in my life, and the Yi helps me find out "what time it is," to borrow a phrase from Candid.

When you do this kind of reading, mainly for yourself, you quickly discover most I Ching books aren't very helpful. The ones written from a Chinese perspective fail because they are a bad fit culturally, they do not address the kind of problem I am likely to have or do so in terms I do not understand well enough to act upon.

I have been a Yi enthusiast for a long time, and I have a bookcase full of books and materials. There are only three or four, maybe five, books I ever look at anymore for readings.

So what would really excite me is if someone came up with a new book I could actually use in practice and find helpful in my life. I know one thing about this new book already: it will be written from a Western perspective. It will not be another rehash of the Chinese tradition.

Lindsay

hilary
May 26th, 2004, 07:44 PM
Lindsay, what are your three to five books?

heylise
May 26th, 2004, 08:02 PM
That is what I wanted too, but nobody did come up with that book. So I made mine myself.

LiSe
Yi Jing, Book of Sun and Moon
www.anton-heyboer.org

candid
May 26th, 2004, 09:13 PM
"The handle of the ting is altered." 50.3

This is an answer Jung received when "interviewing" the Ching. The handles had to be moved to be of any significant use to the western world.

Lindsay, LiSe said exactly what I was going to suggest for you. Write your own. No doubt you already have, through hundreds (thousands?) of readings and your own experiences over the years.

bradford_h
May 27th, 2004, 02:19 AM
Luis, Candid and Lindsay

I put together a little list of Westernized Yijing books with discussions of each of the Gua.
Naturally it's a lot easier to make up your own version than to take the trouble to learn Chinese, and well over half of the Yi authors writing in English know no Chinese at all (I used to be one of those).
But some of these are pretty insightful, especially a couple of those in the first part of this list:

Brennann, J.H. The Magical I Ching.
Crowley, Aleister. The Book of Changes.
Damian-Knight, Guy. The I Ching on Business and Decision Making.
Gill, Richard. I Ching: The Little Book That Tells The Truth.
Karcher, Stephen. Total I Ching
Reifler, Sam. I Ching: A New Interpretation for Modern Times.
Richmond, Nigel. Language of the Lines, the I Ching Oracle.
Riseman, Tom. Understanding the I Ching,
Secter, Mondo. The I Ching Handbook
Siu, R.G.H. The Man of Many Qualities: A Legacy of the I Ching
Sorrell, Roderic and Amy Max Sorrell. I Ching Made Easy.
Walker, Barbara G. The I Ching of the Goddess.

More, but not at the top of my list:

Sarah Dening, The Everyday I Ching
Cassandra Eason, I Ching Divination for Today?s Woman
Rowena Pattee Kryder, Tiger and Dragon I Ching
Li Yan, The Illustrated Book of Changes or I Ching
Liu Dajun and Lin Zhongjun, The I Ching: Text and Annotated Trans.
Frank J. MacHovec, I Ching: The Book of Changes
Joseph Murphy, Secrets of the I Ching
Rowena Pattee, Moving With Change: A Woman's Reintegration
Marshall Pease, The Aquarian I Ching
Lauren David Peden, I Ching
Roberta Peters, Elementary I Ching
James Nathan Post, 64 Keys: An Introductory Guide to the I Ching
Myles Seabrook, I Ching for Everyone
Dianne Stein, The Kwan Yin Book of Changes; A Woman?s I Ching
Marysol Gonzalez Sterling, I Ching and Transpersonal Psychology
Brandon Toropov, I Ching for Beginners
Brian Walker, The I Ching or Book of Changes
Wu Wei, I Ching Wisdom
Allie.Woo, I Ching: Ancient Wisdom for the New Age
David Allen Young, Vision and Change

candid
May 27th, 2004, 02:32 AM
Yikes!

jte
May 27th, 2004, 04:54 AM
"So strange. I was in a post office today, and a woman was shipping a big box that had the words 'Dan River' on it."

Why is that strange? These little synchronicities happen all the time, no?

Driving to work today, I decided to pray. No rain today, I thought, so no chance of a rainbow - of course, that doesn't matter - what matters is your sincerity. So I prayed. And just as I finish, a truck drives by with a big picture of a rainbow on it.

I think things like that really aren't so uncommon once you become aware of them.

- Jeff

jte
May 27th, 2004, 05:24 AM
Lindsay, some of your earlier questions deserve answers (not that I'm qualified to give definitive ones) before this thread goes on to its next set of sub-issues:

"Unrelated events could just as easily be working toward our hurt, harm, or destruction. The meaning of a series of seemingly random events could be to put us in the middle of the road just as a speeding car swerves around the corner.? readings of the Yi might conceivably be intended to deceive ? in the service of some over-riding schema? ?

Possibly, but I've personally seen no evidence to that effect. However, sometimes the Yi and/or synchronicities seem to be warning me of potential harm that I don't see coming. I did ask the Yi if I could trust the spiritual beings or if some of them might want to or try to hurt me - answer was 56.2 - implying I should trust them. Of course, if the Yi was out to hurt me, it could lie to me about this, but I just don't think that is the case - it's behavior is too consistently positive.

Of course sometimes one does end up at the wrong place at the wrong time through a series of events. But I don't think that synchronicities/spiritual beings influence ALL events. In sum, I don?t think they mean harm generally. However, see the commentary on Hex 15 in Legge or W/B.

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?There are many people who argue that nothing happens by chance. Everything happens for a reason ... I reject this idea root and branch, but let's assume it is true for a moment. Surely it is their responsibility to prove, or at least demonstrate, the reason behind seemingly unrelated events? If you are going to say things are actually related, then the least you can do is show how.?

I?m not one who believes that *nothing* happens by chance, but I do believe in the connections behind seemingly unrelated events when they are synchronicities. I really don?t know the reasons *why* or *how* they happen ? Jung?s theory is one, the Ta Chuan sketches out another, and I?m sure there are many others. Synchronicities are very ephemeral ? kind of like deer in a forest ? every so often you see them so you know they are there, but exactly what they intend or are intended to do and exactly why they occur precisely when they do can only be inferred/guessed at (at least by me). And unlike deer, you can?t catch and study one to learn more about it.

If you come up with a why/how theory of synchronicities that you know works, by all means let me know, I?d love to hear it!

- Jeff

lindsay
May 27th, 2004, 06:22 AM
LiSe and Candid, I admire you both so much, and I?m sure you are right that sooner or later all good Yi readers end up creating their own commentary based on their own experience and thought. I?m just not there yet. I still don?t understand a lot of the original text. Some hexagrams and many lines are a mystery to me. So I rely on others for help.

But there are so many commentaries to choose from. Over the years I?ve used a couple dozen books for readings, but only a few have held up over time.

Before I name my favorites, let me say this is a very personal choice. Many people will disagree with my selection. All I can say is that I have tested these works with all the power of my being. I have asked them questions that really matter to me, sometimes questions impacting my very survival and that of my loved ones, and these books have proved ?straight, square, and great.?

Having said that, let me say I am sure the Buddha was right when he said once we reach the shore, it is time to let go of the boat. But if you still need the boat (as I do), and the shore seems far away (as it does to me), here are some vessels that will not founder even in rough water.

My two favorite commentaries are:

(1) Sarah Dening, ?The Everyday I Ching.? At first sight this book seems like pop psych from the end of the last century, but believe me, it is not. I don?t know how Sarah Dening did it, but somehow there is always something in her writing that lights a candle. She is one of those rare psychologists who actually understand life. No one is better for grappling with real-life practical problems.

(2) Stephen Karcher, ?How to Use the I Ching.? I don?t know if Karcher will ever write anything this good again, but if he doesn?t, at least this book is an assured classic. Spare and lean, every word counts ? and he follows the traditional Yi very closely. More important, he is unflaggingly positive, and modestly but genuinely spiritual. He lifts our minds to a wider, and possibly deeper, view.

These two books are very good, but they require a splash of cold water, a reminder that we are consulting an ancient Chinese oracle. For this connection to past interpretation, I rely on two sources:

(3) Richard Wilhelm and Cary F. Baynes, trs. ?The I Ching or Book of Changes.? Little needs to be said about this definitive work, except that Wilhelm?s synthesis of traditional Chinese interpretation gives us a flavor of the best thinking about the Yi the past has to offer. The Song dynasty roughly corresponds to our own Italian and Northern Renaissance in its reverence and creative approach to the ancient classics. Wilhelm adequately summarizes the ideas of the Song giants of Chinese thought.

(4) Kim-Anh Lim, ?Practical Guide to the I Ching.? This book died on publication, no one I know has ever mentioned it except as a bibliographical event. Too, too bad. Kim-Anh Lim is a French diviner with a completely practical approach rooted in the classic Yi. Everything she wrote came out of the notebooks of her professional readings. She knows what she is talking about, but again she follows the traditional Yi familiar to Wilhelm.

These are the four books I consult for every reading. Difficult readings call for special measures. In these cases, I rely on two works:

(5) Jack Balkin, ?The Laws of Change: I Ching and the Philosophy of Life.? Jack Balkin is an incredible synthesizer. He has read everything, he has thought it through, and he has summarized it at some length in his long, dull book. The only problem is that he is boring. Nothing is original, there is not even a glimmer of creativity in his work. And yet if you want to read a very intelligent and balanced view of the text based on everything that has been written to date, Balkin?s your man. He makes me think of those dry reference works in libraries such as the ?Index to Periodical Literature.? Sometimes stuff like this comes in handy.

(6) LiSe Heyboer, ?Book of Sun and Moon.? I have a lot of intellectual issues with LiSe?s etymological approach to the Yi, based on my understanding of current ideas about the evolution of pictographic languages (Egyptian, Mayan, Linear A, etc.) and of old Chinese in particular. I am not nearly as enamored of ?Le Grand Ricci? as she is, and I question the validity of Han dictionaries. Nevertheless, LiSe?s commentaries are priceless. They tend to have a certain sameness of point of view (similar to the joke about Carol Anthony that one need not worry about one?s casting since all her hexagrams offer the same advice in any case), but I have never read anyone more stimulating and creative.

Everything is supposedly based on the text of the Yi, and there are a lot of translations to choose from. My current favorite is Jack Balkin?s, which is nothing more than an updated version of Wilhelm/Baynes. I have given up all the modernist versions I used to like (such as Richard Kunst, Wu Jing-Nuan, and Richard Rutt) because I find them useless in practical application. Their weakness as divination tools also makes me wonder about their validity as historical constructs. Bradford Hatcher?s translation work is very good, and we are awaiting the completion of his explanatory Dimensions, hoping they avoid gratuitous errors in judgment found in his earlier explanatory material.

Almost everything I know that works in Yi divination I learned from Hilary?s correspondence course (highly recommended!) and discussions in the ICC. One work that has recently proved very useful on a practical level about how to do readings is Roderic and Amy Max Sorrell?s ?I Ching Made Easy,? a book that suffers from its own commercial slickness. Beneath the glossy veneer, however, one feels two honest people trying to make sense of the Yi and succeeding. If you've ever had trouble formulating the question or applying the Yi to daily life, this book is for you.

Lindsay

bradford_h
May 27th, 2004, 07:28 AM
Hi Lindsay-
Just wanted to second your favorable opinions on both Kim-Anh Lim and the Sorrell's simple version,
Neither get the press they warrant.
b

candid
May 27th, 2004, 02:03 PM
Lindsay, I've made a few attempts at penning my own version of I Ching. The problem I run into is that to me, the hexagrams are not entirely fixed images. They move and breathe according to the circumstance, and to the inspiration of the moment. I'm afraid I am horribly un-academic, and so this approach is the best I can manage well.