19.3 - Thoughts about it? Experiences?

[scarlettgirl]

I consulted the iching recently about when I can expect something to happen - not a relationship question - just for a general timeline. Wilhelm says about this line - Comfortable approach
Nothing that will further.
Things are going well for a man: he achieves power and influence. But in this lies the danger that he may relax, and confident of his position, allow the easygoing, careless mood to show itself in his dealings with other people. This would inevitably be harmful. But there is possibility of a change of mood. If he regrets his mistaken attitude and feels the responsibility of an influential position, he frees himself of faults.

I feel that the iching - as always - wasn't really answering my question the way I'd asked but instead was telling me that I'm too relaxed in my actions perhaps and that there are still things left for me to complete in this matter.
I was just wondering what your own real life experiences have been when you've received this line. Thank you. :)

[lilly]

Never got 19.3 - but seems everything is working out fine for you though keep an eye on your strong self-esteem/self confidence it may turn into arrogance :cool: (-> I feel that the iching - as always - wasn't really answering my question the way I'd asked)
The English say Life´s a bitch :mischief: - i tend to agree

[scarlettgirl]

Thank you lilly for sharing your thoughts about it. :) Honestly, I have the DEEPEST respect for this form of divination, I truly meant that my experience has shown me that the yi usually gives me the answer I need, rather than the one I seek with my questions. Thanks again.

[trojan]

I consulted the iching recently about when I can expect something to happen - not a relationship question - just for a general timeline. Wilhelm says about this line - Comfortable approach
Nothing that will further.
Things are going well for a man: he achieves power and influence. But in this lies the danger that he may relax, and confident of his position, allow the easygoing, careless mood to show itself in his dealings with other people. This would inevitably be harmful. But there is possibility of a change of mood. If he regrets his mistaken attitude and feels the responsibility of an influential position, he frees himself of faults.

I feel that the iching - as always - wasn't really answering my question the way I'd asked but instead was telling me that I'm too relaxed in my actions perhaps and that there are still things left for me to complete in this matter.
I was just wondering what your own real life experiences have been when you've received this line. Thank you. :)


19.3 is disapointing. Not terribly disapointing....just rather pointless. The desire to make things work is there but it doesn't really get off the ground. Everyone wants it to get off the ground...but somehow it just doesn't...its a limp line IMO..noones fault but this thing whatever it is can't quite make it. So I'm wondering if this thing you are waiting to happen is actually worth waiting for with such intensity or if you would be better to gently take your eyes off it and switch your gaze elsewhere for the time being ?

[lilly]

Hi trojan,

just out of curiosity and trying to always learn more about the Yi, where do you draw that from:

19.3 is disapointing. Not terribly disapointing....just rather pointless. The desire to make things work is there but it doesn't really get off the ground.

Reading Wilhem i can not find any hints referring to something not getting off the ground. can you pls help me with that? - lilly

[meng]

I was just wondering what your own real life experiences have been when you've received this line.

I've generally found Wilhelm's commentary on line 3 to be right on.

By line 3 (moving upward), there's some momentum already built up, and we can get the impression that things will get finished by themselves. Remember the context of 19 gives a limited time to build, grow or accomplish something, before winter closes the pass again. So line 3 says don't get too comfortable, there's plenty of work to be done before you have even a hope for a harvest.

Oh, an extension of this idea is the meaning of working on the continuance of unity of h11. 11 is more than just a time of peace, it is the furthering of growing potential, working on the garden, making best use of the season, when the forces of heaven and earth mate.

[trojan]

Hi trojan,

just out of curiosity and trying to always learn more about the Yi, where do you draw that from:


Reading Wilhem i can not find any hints referring to something not getting off the ground. can you pls help me with that? - lilly

purely personal experience of the line...since you asked for personal experience., plus i do see it in Wilhelms words. Wilhelm says "Nothing that would further. If one is induced to grieve over it one becomes free of blame". I've found the 'nothing that would further' pretty literal. Theres no point throwing a huge amount of energy at this but there may be regret or frustration something could not be done...I've found its often very much about a joint thing...the effort that would have been required isn't just your effort but the other parties too and sometimes factors beyond the control of both of you. Hence one may be sorry about it, but there is no blame attached. I find it very much of a sort of shrug and 'it couldn't be helped' type feeling for 19.3 on many occasions.

That doesn't mean this is what the line absolutely means of course. Others will have different experiences., but i consider it the least propitious line of 19. I actually find Karcher nearer the mark on this one than Wilhelm. And of course the 'sweetly nearing' implies it really did look promising...but its certainly not going to fall into ones lap so don't get too 'comfortable' about it. My take really comes through finding many times outer circumstances beyond anyones control meant something couldn't go ahead and it actually was not possible for anyone to go ahead with proposed actions. Of course that does not mean it will always be like that., for everyone in every reading..just sharing my repeated experience of it, since you asked

Hmm now if this about something you expect to happen perhaps it forewarns you its not all plain sailing...don't get too comfy in your expectations...but I don't think it means one is being lazy exactly. As i said its often a case of things/events/ people not being able to come together to produce an expected outcome. Some may say its a case of needing to put more effort in ...and it may be sometimes, but sometimes one can't.

As for the timeline thing of the events I think that requires using a special system such as Jesed uses. I don't know how to do that