42, unchanging

[susan]

Someone did my a big favor financially and I am going to pay them in full next week, however this also means I don't have an excuse to see them anymore.
What will they do (in relationship to me) after I pay them in full? 42 unchanging

The superior man imitates goodness when he sees it and eliminates faults when he see them.

How do they feel about me? 24.4-51

I think this could be saying he has inferior associates that he would like to break with and I offer the chance of that for him. But it also talks about returning alone, sniff sniff.

[elvis]

42 covers augmentation and so going up a level.

* In the traditional sequence hexagram 42 pairs with hexagram 41.

This pair reflects an overall sense of 'refinement', be it through the augmentation of 42 or the distillation, concentration, reflected in 41.

REFINE:

41 : refine - through distill [concentrate]; 41 concentrating comes from a context described by hexagram 07 - uniforming, the army

42 : refine - through augment [add]; 42 augmenting comes from a context described by hexagram 08 - unifying

[susan]

Chris,
Does that mean the relationship will go up a level leading to some unification?

Can't open pdf's on my computer but I can't wait to look at your book. So glad to see you progress with it.
Thanks for the reply.

[elvis]

Chris,
Does that mean the relationship will go up a level leading to some unification?


Depends on the methodology used in deriving 42. If it was traditional then it COULD be the best fit but then it could be the worst fit ;-) - to me there is no consistency in such methods (and consciousness can 'fill in the missing bits' of the result is CLOSE to a 'best fit' - and even the worst fit will generate meaning.

The EIC focus is on the use of your emotional assessments where your parallel, intuitive, skills are used (consciousness can rationalise too much at times so we have to be wary of it and yet also exploit it as it can be more precise than emotional assessments!)

It is obvious you would consciously like to take things further but your unconscious assessment can also contribute to covering how a situation will develop in that it can bring out your overall non-verbal language communications etc

[susan]

Yes, I would like to take things further.
I don't think they are in position to yet though.
But 42 was in answer (cast with coins) to what they would do.
Thanks again

[tigerintheboat]

Someone did my a big favor financially and I am going to pay them in full next week, however this also means I don't have an excuse to see them anymore.
What will they do (in relationship to me) after I pay them in full? 42 unchangingThey have had an Increase by providing you with the financial favor. They sacrificed something to help you.

How do they feel about me? 24.4-51This is a line about choosing a spiritual connection, and turning away from the crowd. Even your first question, and the answer about Increase, has a spiritual element.

Normally, I would think that the spiritual element refers to the questioner, but you asked about the other party in both cases. Is there anything selfless or spiritual about this "someone?" Are they a person who goes with crowd, or stands alone? Someone is standing alone in Line 4; they go out into the crowd and reject it and Return.

Tiger

[susan]

Yes, there is something spiritual about him.
He works all the time and is around other people and customers and after work he says he stays by himself.
Thanks for your help, Tiger.

[susan]

"They have had an Increase by providing you with the financial favor"

Tiger, what does this mean? The part about them sacrificing something to help me makes sense as they didn't get their money when they finished the service and they don't have any guarantee they will get it, just trust. But how did they have an increase by helping me? This is what I don't get?

[tigerintheboat]

"They have had an Increase by providing you with the financial favor"

Tiger, what does this mean? The part about them sacrificing something to help me makes sense as they didn't get their money when they finished the service and they don't have any guarantee they will get it, just trust. But how did they have an increase by helping me? This is what I don't get?
Another translation of the word Increase is Blessing. You might say they are Blessed, or spiritually increased. They are sharing the harvest with someone else, and they are blessed accordingly.

Tiger

[zelion]

Depends on the methodology used in deriving 42. If it was traditional then it COULD be the best fit but then it could be the worst fit ;-) - to me there is no consistency in such methods (and consciousness can 'fill in the missing bits' of the result is CLOSE to a 'best fit' - and even the worst fit will generate meaning.

The EIC focus is on the use of your emotional assessments where your parallel, intuitive, skills are used (consciousness can rationalise too much at times so we have to be wary of it and yet also exploit it as it can be more precise than emotional assessments!)

It is obvious you would consciously like to take things further but your unconscious assessment can also contribute to covering how a situation will develop in that it can bring out your overall non-verbal language communications etc

Maybe off topic.. But Elvis, IMHO you are denying a very important aspect of the Yi, it works on a connection with.. called it God, guardian angel, the divine.. but certainly connecting to something that even modern science is beginning to confirm through Quantum physics ;-)

Just my opinion...

Best

[elvis]

Maybe off topic.. But Elvis, IMHO you are denying a very important aspect of the Yi, it works on a connection with.. called it God, guardian angel, the divine.. but certainly connecting to something that even modern science is beginning to confirm through Quantum physics ;-)

Just my opinion...

Best

There is no need for such a perspective to get the I Ching to work consistently and be testable and so falsifiable. If you NEED such a perspective that is fine, but it is not necessary to get the I Ching to work well. IMHO.... and your reference to QM is misleading and indicative of not understanding the methodology we use in interpreting reality and the properties of that methodology we can confuse with what is observed. See if you can work your way through the IDM summary (http://www.emotionaliching.com/AbstractD.html)