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Charly thanks so much for sharing. This is really great information. There is a lot to soak in but I am enjoying it Some of the characters spark questions or comments from me..
I like the shape of this character. It's like Zoro's mark. What does the ...'s mean?
之 zhi1: ...'s / him / her / it /
I am starting to get familiar with the 2 lines at the top of this character from Bu:
貞 zhen1: perseverant / chaste / virtuous // divination / omen /
This one looks like thunder and I am thinking about what Lise said in the Gender Association Thread. I don't actually understand the origin of this one, but I know that Thunder represents the First Son:
子 zi3: son / child / seed / egg / fruit / young /
Is there a bird inside of there? I was just thinking that the South is associated with the Pheonix:
南 nan2: south /
This could be a close up picture of a bone crack in a tortious shell. Still going off of the Animal associated with the Direction:
北 bei3: north /
Snail shells on a string? Or two chicks hanging out?:
朋peng2: friend /pal /acquaintance (2)
This gives a good feeling:
吉 ji2: lucky / fortunate /
I agree!(3) Better VITAL & MATURE than RIGID or UNMATURE (of course, for getting LOVERS)
Bruce and yourself have been discussing this, but I am not sure I have a complete handle on them being stronger. Physically because they bare children? Or in another way (or all ways)?Nothing passive with earth fecundity.
Ancient chinese people see females biologically stronger than males: «women defeat men like water suffocates fire».
Dialogs with the so called Yellow Emperor were not only in medical treatises but also in maybe less respectable treatises about JOINING THE YIN WITH THE YANG. Say, inner alchemy or bedchamber arts.
One of the later edition of an early text is the SUNU JING or Classic of the Plain Girl. In the firsts paragraphs she said to the Yellow Emperor:
Source of the chinese text: http://folkdoc.com/
SU NU SAYS:
The Plain Girl said:
Miss Naural said:
IMHO (1) GIRLS' DEFEATING MEN,
IMHO Men defeating of girls,
Girls defeat men,
AS WATER'S SUFFOCATING FIRE
Is like the fire suffocation of water.
Just as water suffocates fire.
Of course, it was speaking of female sexual superiority.
A zhi B means A's B or the B of A, like in the Zorro's Mark.I like the shape of this character. It's like Zoro's mark. What does the ...'s mean?
At the end, zhi means IT, like in CATCH IT.
The upper component is BU or PU, which means TO DIVINE / TO CONSULT THE ORACLE /TO FORETELL, it has an itiphallic shape, at least for westerners.I am starting to get familiar with the 2 lines at the top of this character from Bu:
The lower component is BEI, SELLS / COWRIES / MONEY / TREASURE / VALUABLE / PRECIOUS and depicts a sacred vessel or piled cowry shells, used as money and seen by ancient chineses as FEMALE GENITALIA. The pierced cowries adquired some reminiscences.
The character zhen, that anciently meant DIVINATION / OMEN adquired later the meaning of WOMEN CHASTITY / VIRTUOUS / PERSEVERANT.
THE FEMALE COMPONENT ALWAYS HAD MORE WEIGHT, MAYBE MEANING «FEMALE SUPERIORITY»
It means SON / CHILD / YOUNG / SEED / FRUIT / A NOBLE of LOWER RANK / and much more. It depicts a BABY WITH WRAPPED LEGS, like Swee Pea. I believe that can be used as an euphemism for the male member, in which case can be read as MEN ARE BUT BIG CHILDREN.This one looks like thunder and I am thinking about what Lise said in the Gender Association Thread. I don't actually understand the origin of this one, but I know that Thunder represents the First Son:
I dont see the BIRD, I see a LAMB, but not sure.Is there a bird inside of there? I was just thinking that the South is associated with the Pheonix:
I don't remember how bone cracks looked like. I see a sat person with the back against a bank. Chinese houses were built back to the North.This could be a close up picture of a bone crack in a tortious shell. Still going off of the Animal associated with the Direction:
It's said that means FRIEND / PAL and that depicts TWO STRINGS OF COWRIES. Nowadays FRIEN needs a two-syllabe word. Peng must have another senses, among it, LONGEVITY = SEXUAL meanings.Snail shells on a string? Or two chicks hanging out?:
It means LUCKY / PROPITIOUS / GOOD / FORTUNATE. I believe that it depicts a PHALLIC SHRINE BUILT ON A HOLE IN THE SOIL. Maybe can be read so: GOOD LIKE TO JOIN THE YIN WITH THE YANG. Another character for GOOD depicts a WOMAN with a CHILD. More reputable.This gives a good feeling:
As you can see, always in the nitch!
All the best,
(1) IMHO: 夫 is a humble introduction, the girls was speaking to a High Ruler, to a so called Emperor.
I must check the etymologies, my memory is as weak as my knowledge.
answeredquestions (March 24th, 2012)
I got some TCM books a while back and cannot bring myself to soak in the words just yet. I know very little about the Yellow Emperor, but hopefully one day will branch out and learn more about accupuncture and the meridians etc.
This Yijing stuff, from the ground up, has me completely captivated. I really appreciate your research and sharing Charly. and keep the nitch going!
charly (March 24th, 2012)
Thanks, very much, Courtney:
The SUNU JING was a reconstruction of early chinese handbooks made by Ye Dehui (1864/1927)using fragments that had survived quoted in the IshimpO, a japanese medical book. (1)
As a consequence of it, the guy lost his intellectual reputation, I believe. But the reconstruction was not a forgery.
Similar texts appeared later among the medical texts of the Mawangdui Silk Manuscripts which were translated by Donald Harper and also in part by Thomas Cleary. (2)(3)
Some people liked to go to the tomb with good literature for enjoying in the afterlife: philosophy, the Lao Zi, the Zhou Yi, medical text. Maybe the more wealthy on JOINING YIN / YANG with it promise of LONG LIFE and even, the jackpot, IMMORTALITY!
(1) For something about Yeh Dehui and the Classic of the Plain Girl, can see:
L.A.Rocha: Xing the discourse of sex and human nature in modern China, in «Historicising Gender and Sexuality» edited by Kevin P. Murphy & Jennifer M. Spear. Available in Google Books.
(2) He yinyang 和陰陽, translated by Donald Harper.
See Livia Kohn: Chinese Healing Excercises, available for online reading at:
Another quotation:Harper provides an annotated translation of the Mawangdui medical manuscripts ... [that] are untitled, but have been assigned titles by Chinese scholars on the basis of their contents.
MS-1(the first manuscript) consists of five sections:
- Zubi shiyi mai jiujing or "Cauterization Canon of the Eleven Vessels of the Foot and Forearm" (1.1),
- Yin Yang shiyi mai jiujing or "Cauterization Canon of the Eleven Yin and Yang Vessels" (1.2),
- Maifa or "Model of the Vessels" (1.3),
- Yin Yang mai sihou or "Death Signs of the Yin and Yang Vessels" (1.4),
- Wushier bingfang or "Recipes for Fifty-two Ailments" (1.5).
MS-2 has two parts:
- Quegu shi qi "Eliminating Grain and Eatin g Vapor" (2.1),
- Daoyin tu "Drawings of Guiding and Pulling" (2.2).
MS-3 and MS-4 are compendia of recipes:
- Yangsheng fang or "Recipes for Nurturing Life"
- Zaliao fang or "Recipes for Various Cures."
Taichan shu , the "Book of the Generation of the Fetus," is specifically concerned with pregnancy.
MS-6 and MS-7 consist of four texts on various subjects:
- Shiwen or "Ten Questions" (6.1),
- He Yin Yang or "Harmonizing Yin and Yang" (6.2),
- Zajin fang or "Recipes for Various Charms" (7.1),
- Tianxia zhidao tan or "Discussion of the Culminant Way in Under-heaven" (7.2).
From a review by Lisa Raphals published in China Review International 7.2 (Fall 2000)
Worse the medicime than the illness.Unlike Jinkui yaolue regarding ´sexual dreams´as a symptom of women´s only Zhouhou Fang sugests that both men and women may dream of sex with either human being or ´demons´. These problems can be solved by herbal formulas, acupuncture or moxibustion.
Source: Hsiu Fen Chen: Dreaming sex with demons
(The link doesn´t function but here another from the same author:
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answeredquestions (March 27th, 2012)
From the look on her face, I think she is actually thinking about doing it.
charly (March 28th, 2012)
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