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    Quote Originally Posted by rodaki View Post


    There is a thread floating somewhere in SR about an accident my father had while swimming, which Yi had foreseen in a 1>21 reading: a big hook had, by a wrong move, latched itself deep in his leg and the only way to pull it out without damaging any muscles or nerves, in the middle of the night, in the deserted island we were moored, was to push it through his flesh till its sharp edge pierced out of the skin, where he cut its head off and pulled the rest of it out . . that for me, was probably the most powerful experience I had with 21 and it has reinforced my idea of 21 as a means to restore the flow than punish the offender
    Your father's hook removal method took self discipline and intelligence, as well as patience. He could have just ripped the hook out against the direction of the barb, and inflicted far worse damage. That is exactly the spirit of my question. Intelligence makes an ideal assistant to removing an obstruction along the lines of least resistance.

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    yes, it was very much the wiser thing to do at the time, although when he said what he was going to do, I kinda looked at him as if he was mad - it took a lot of calm and intense focus to go thru with it.

    Other times I've seen 21 come up had to do with medicine of some kind, which again speaks of having an inner order restored and 21.1 often comes up as an admonition to guard one's self instead of punishing this or other.21 is one of these hexagrams whose meaning is mostly taken as rather unambiguous, so it's intriguing to look into other sides of it

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    Quote Originally Posted by meng View Post
    Re 21, has the biting through, as applied to yourself, ever been a disciplinary measure not to act, as though saying "get over it", or bite through your own urge to act?
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    In LiSe's example of 51.6, she interpreted 51.6 as saying not to make a fuss about it. 51.6 changes to 21. For 21 to mean get up and act is a contradiction to not making a fuss. The fan yao of 51.6 (21.6) would unquestionably be the outcome of taking direct punitive action against the offender. Hence the dilemma, besides being a general philosophical question.
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    Well, I'm convinced that 21 very often does refer to this kind of self discipline and thoughtful restraint. I thought so before, and am more resolved now.
    When you make a fuss about something, your abilities to act in a good way are very much diminished. So bite through your panic or anger (or the urge to act), the skin, and find your inner strong core. Yes, biting through something of yourself, disciplining yourself, I see that very much as a meaning of 21.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heylise View Post
    When you make a fuss about something, your abilities to act in a good way are very much diminished. So bite through your panic or anger (or the urge to act), the skin, and find your inner strong core. Yes, biting through something of yourself, disciplining yourself, I see that very much as a meaning of 21.
    badda bing badda boom (which in Italian American means exactly!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by rodaki View Post
    ... 21 is one of these hexagrams whose meaning is mostly taken as rather unambiguous, so it's intriguing to look into other sides of it
    Dear Dora:

    I'm just arrived at work. let me read the thread.

    Meanwhile:

    H.21 is a CARNIVORE hex, it speaks of our own tendency to CARNAL EXCESS, and how to manage it. SELFDISCIPLINE is, of course, a GOOD IDEA, how to be tolerant with our own nature without becoming a CANNIBAL.

    In H.21 there are more than one dish with different sorts of MEAT (or FLESH!)in lines 2, 3, 4 and 5. The sentence adviced us: PREFERABLE USE A GRILL, maybe don't eat the meat raw, but in barbecue.

    H.21: [CRUNCH, CRUNCH!]

    BITTING [AND] CRACKING CELEBRATION.
    Crunch feast.

    PROFITABLE TO USE [A] JAIL.
    Preferable to use a grill.

    [No more comments]
    Stop.

    If we add the TOE of line 1 and the EAR of line 6, all the lines have MEAT/FLESH.

    Fourth lines out of six are NO WRONG. One is LUCKY and one is UNFORTUNATE, although irremediable, fated.

    To be continued ...


    all the best,


    Charly

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    It mostly implies doing what needs to be done.

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    Source: http://www.exploringnature.org/db/de...110&detID=2568

    What is the MAIN CARNIVoRE that in not here?

    Charly

    P.D.:
    answer: of course, ourselves!
    Ch.
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    Some people don't like CANGUES, neither the Changes, I believe.

    Japanese name: Sekishôgun Sekiyû (石將軍石勇)
    Chinese name: Shi Yong
    Scene: Sekishôgun Sekiyû throwing a broken cangue (wooden punishment yoke) at foe
    Robinson: S47.19

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    http://www.kuniyoshiproject.com/108%...8chuban%29.htm
    I don't know why the character JIAO was translated CANGUE, which is JIA.
    Rutt says nothing about it. He only says that HE means to RECEIVE A LOAD.

    I wonder why not to translate JIAO as CONJUGAL BURDEN instead of CANGUE, given the associations of JIAO with INTERCOURSE.

    Yours,


    Charly

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    Luis Royo´s H.21

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    I wonder if they have this picture in a life size version?

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