July 27th, 2004, 05:31 PM
I'd like to know more about finding one's natal hexagram.
What does this information provide us with?
Is this a description of our true self..Or is it a guide to sucessfully fullfilling our destiny?
Hope this makes sense :\
July 28th, 2004, 05:39 PM
I googled "Natal Hexagrams". These look nice:
METHOD FOR FINDING NATAL HEXAGRAMS
About I Ching Astrology
Natal hexagrams and yearly horoscope of Albert Einstein.
Natal hexagrams and yearly horoscope of Marilyn Monroe.
July 28th, 2004, 07:05 PM
Okay so I found that my natal hex is 24 - how do you read your i ching astrology?? i'm a libra & i used that link above to read all about me [which i've done many places elsewhere too], but i am unsure about the i ching astrology, is that different? does it go by hex's?
July 28th, 2004, 07:22 PM
wow. according to psychicsophia, I'm 28. How shockingly accurate.
July 28th, 2004, 09:11 PM
Here you can calculate your own birth-hexagrams. Both earlier and later heaven. It is good, but occasionally wrong. It seems it is very difficult to write a software which can calculate it without faults.
Everyone has a stem and branch for the year, the month, the day and the hour of birth. Like "Metal Dog", or "Wooden Horse".
Every stem and branch has numbers associated with it. All even numbers added are the earth-trigram, all odd numbers the heaven-trigram. The hour decides about the changing line.
Every yang line covers 9 years of life, every yin line 6 years.
My own experience is, that it works. Although I have not the slightest clue how.
The natal-hexagram of Pocossin's link is more like Western numerology, and based op the Western way of numbering the years.
July 31st, 2004, 04:54 PM
Of the three links I gave, the second and third are radically different from the first. I had never taken 'natal hexagrams' seriously because clearly they are a relatively new innovation, a consequence of Moslem or Jesuit influence. Ancient Chinese characterized the person by the moment of parental intercourse, not the moment of birth as in western astrology.
Wherever it comes from, though, interesting material lurks in I Ching Astrology.
First, it uses the purely solar hexagram calendar of the taixuanjing (Blofeld) rather than the exceedingly complicated solar-lunar calendar of Chinese almanacs.
"The year for I Ching astrology starts at the winter solstice, the culminating point of winter, which falls on the 22nd or 23rd of December."
"The year used for I Ching astrology is also different than the one used for Zi Ping Ba Zi, Zi Wei Dou Shu or "Four Pillar" astrology, ...."
About I Ching Astrology
Second, I Ching astrology uses the system of hexagram interpretation found in Plum Flower Mind I Ching. That is, hexagrams are interpreted in terms of ti, yung, and five element relationships, but unlike Plum Flower Mind, I Ching astrology also uses the appended hexagram text.
Pre-Heaven Hexagram and Reading for Energy Master
Energy Master's homepage is the beginning of an extensive example of the natal hexagrams for Energy Master itself.
ENERGY MASTER: I CHING ASTROLOGY
So far as I can tell, erosastrology, crystalray, and dataship are all using a similar method for calculating and interpreting natal hexagrams. Apparently it is an authentic Taoist method.
July 31st, 2004, 08:02 PM
Question: what is the great fascination of birth hexagrams? I noticed this when I first posted a link to them in the newsletter - a very, very clicked link. The idea of simply asking Yi for 'your' hexagram doesn't seem to hold the same appeal as something calculated by date of birth. Can anyone make out why not?
July 31st, 2004, 10:01 PM
I guess it is the ritual. The moment of birth is the first real 'moment in time' in a life. It seems to be a belief in all peoples that a special moment decides about the time after that. Like new moon decides about the coming month, or solstice about the year.
So birth decides about a life.
Casting one at 'a' moment has no ritual. Maybe a bit more at a certain point in time. At the start of a cycle, or at a special happening.
And a birth hexagram, at least the Chinese one, has a way of calculating it which is directly connected with your personal birth signs. They have proven over the years to have meaning. So the birth hexagram also acquires this same meaning.
When it is THIS hexagram, and it cannot be changed, then one really explores it. If I had cast mine myself, I would not have taken it seriously. It did not 'fit'. But I was stuck with this one (I have 13 to 30), so I had to find the meaning. And that proved to be very valuable. Taught me a lot about myself.
July 31st, 2004, 11:48 PM
Yeah, what LiSe said.
I think doing a "me" or "my" hexagram reading 'feels' more like a branding; something you're sorta stuck with. By making it an object outside yourself, like the stars, it feels more flexible, change-able.
I use the word 'feel' because you seemed to be asking why most people are more comfortable with one over the other.
August 21st, 2005, 12:02 PM
For future readers of this old thread: as designer behind the birth hexagram calculator on www.wayofheaven.com I'd just like to emphasize it was subjected to extensive testing before being put online in Dec 2001.
Manually double-checking one suspect case submitted by Lisa (see above) revealed a miscalculation on her part (it was a leap year--it is easy to forget to add one day in those cases). I myself put the manually calculated case of Lady Di as a sample on the site and only after a long time realized it was in error. By chance I discovered the calculator produced a different hexagram and after manually double-checking it the calculator was found to be in the right.
And while on the subject of confessing human shortcomings: Swedish author Strindberg was another case manually calculated by me and mentioned in passing on the site, only to be removed when I again found a different hexagram was produced by the calculator. Going through the case a second time I solved the puzzle: I had happened to manually read a table vertically rather than horizontally, thus obtaining a wrong numeric value. But before realizing that I spent five hours pulling my hair in search of a non-existent error in the computer code!
So, a correctly implemented computer algorithm is of endless value since manual mistakes are obviously very easy to make. You can rest assured you won't be wasting thoughts on a hexagram that's wrong to begin if using my calculator. I have even included an automatic adjustment of the Winter Solstice to the local timezone. This is missing from Sherrill & Chu's book "Astrology of I Ching" since it very rarely would lead to a different birth hexagram. On the other hand, it would make EVERY computation even more time consuming.
But a word of warning is in place. Both of the two programs producing hexagrams according to this method that I have so far found and downloaded from the Internet were poorly designed and gave wrong answers. One even stumbled in its very first step, picking the wrong numeric value for the year in question!
And last, pay no attention to the stray opinion that the (only) published book on this system itself contains an error (thus affecting all software), this is not so. This critic has misunderstood the way the trigrams are derived from numeric values.