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.This has been on my mind for a while now, just got around to posting it. I'm sure there have been conversations on this before
It seems to me, and some others in the community have expressed the same opinion: that the line texts were composed (and comprehensible) to describe a situation when only a single line changes.
Recently, I've began ignoring the line text altogether when there are multiple change lines, and making a sentence out of the relationship between the Primary and Related hexagrams.
And it has been making sense.
This makes me wonder, and please tolerate the question:
If there is merit in the individual line texts, and they were composed on a one changing line at a time basis, would there be merit in writing a few thousand more lines to describe all possible permutations?
(ug, it would take much work.
Trojina, I nominate you for this task)
Thank you!Somebody already did this, and wrote a single line text for all 4096 possible throws. It's called the Yi Lin or Forest of Changes.
I wasn't exactly suggesting to alter the Yi jing, It is just an idea that kept coming back to me over the last year, even after I kept dismissing it.While I am not in favor of overhauling something that's stood the test of time for thousands of years...
58:
'Opening, creating success.
Constancy bears fruit.'
58.5
'Trusting in stripping away,
There is danger.'
54:
'The marrying maiden.
To set out to bring order: pitfall.
No direction is fruitful.'
Thank you!
I am interested in reading it.
It is beyond me why people think that because they cannot cope with the complexity of many lines together the solution is just to reduce it to one. This is like saying because a conversation is complex with many nuances, we should force our interlocutor to say only one thing.
If there is merit in the individual line texts, and they were composed on a one changing line at a time basis, would there be merit in writing a few thousand more lines to describe all possible permutations?
(ug, it would take much work.
Trojina, I nominate you for this task)
The line texts themselves are a simplification. Example: Primary hex has text, Related hex has text. Writing a line text simplifies two texts into one.
I do not believe that when there are five changing lines that each line is applicable to the situation in question. (This is why I won't post to wikiwing any experience with multi lines, only single line experiences.)
So, I don't see how what I am proposing is any different than what the line author did. I just don't think s/he finished what they started.
It isn't exactly about coping with complexity. What I'm saying is that with multiple changing lines, (more lines=more likely) that some lines are extraneous.
It is about disregarding that my uncle used to wear plaid pants, when I am really talking about his positive influence on me. Some things get filtered out. (and should)
Yes, could be. 'Trusting or befriending something that is without merit.' OK, how do you mean, trusting or befriending? In what way? How do you mean, without merit? What kind of merit? What exactly is the problem with this? What danger should I be looking out for and how will I recognise it?58: Opening/Friends/Trusting/Welcoming
L5: Trusting/Friending ~ Something that is without merit.
54: Something that is not fruitful, a direction without merit
I sometimes blog these when I find them -Also, I don't believe it's true that the Yi was composed on this 'one line at a time' basis. I've come across several cases where I can clearly understand a two line change as describing the relationship between two hexagrams.
Moss Elk -
Somebody already did this, and wrote a single line text for all 4096 possible throws.
It's called the Yi Lin or Forest of Changes. To me it's just something that one guy made up,
and never got the testing that the Zhouyi and Yijing got. But it's out there and is now fully translated.
Just search for Yilin.
In principle I like your idea, and in fact I try it out whenever I get multiple changing lines.
But the real key to doing this well is getting the right gestalt for both Ben Gua and Zhi Gua so you're moving between better known points. This doesn't work well if you misunderstand the key concept of one of the Gua, which people most often fail at by using bad names for the Hexagrams, or bad translations of the names.
For what it's worth, I remember at least one reading with a lot of moving lines where I understood every one of them. Granted that's not much of a claim.
Also, I don't believe it's true that the Yi was composed on this 'one line at a time' basis. I've come across several cases where I can clearly understand a two line change as describing the relationship between two hexagrams.
I've come across several cases where I can clearly understand a two line change as describing the relationship between two hexagrams.
I am in the process of making a table that will redirect a reader to a Forest verse that is appropriate to the Yi Jing text for that set of hexagrams.
I know less than nothing about this. But what you're saying does not make me want to spend time with it. I mean, from what people are saying, it's suspect methodology in the first place, and you're adding that it might be wrong to boot... am I missing something?
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