January 8th, 2003, 10:17 AM
Fellow Seekers of the Truth,
In answer to whether my German boyfriend is my future husband, the yarrow method gave me hexagram 59. No moving lines. I know the hexagram refers to union through offerings in the temple -- which I regularly do, as well as prayer and taking part in ceremonies. It also seems to mean that there will be reunion. Does his staying in Germany -- so far from India where I am have something to do with 59 too?
Best for your Quest
January 8th, 2003, 04:58 PM
As you know, Hexagram 59 is usually interpreted as Dispersing, Dissolution, Scattering. Here we have at work nature?s two great solvents, Wind blowing over flowing Water. Wind penetrates everything gently, accommodating itself to every space, carrying things here and there ? but over time it can carve out canyons and wear down mountains. Flowing water is similar ? penetrating, yielding, gently active ? but it too can wash away beaches and slice through rock. Wind and water appear weak, unremarkable, insignificant, even necessary and indispensable ? do we not breathe the air and drink the water? - but each has the power to wear down the most adamantine object. It is possible some combination of forces, barely noticeable in themselves, perhaps outwardly helpful, is wearing down or dispersing something very important to your happiness.
Images help. Imagine a single droplet of ink dripping into a glass of clear water, or a sudden gust of wind blowing a pile of dry leaves this way and that. Is something like this happening or about to happen to your relationship? Perhaps some subtle, slow process is involved that you have not paid much attention to previously?
I believe there may be danger here. The Yi is warning you. If you were to ask ?When will my troubles be over?? - Hex 59 is a very good sign. But if you ask, ?How is it with my lover and me?? ? I do not think an image of dispersion and scattering bodes well.
What to do? First, examine the situation and look for signs of dissolution. Approach the situation as though you were a king entering his temple. The king does this (in China) to reunite Heaven and Earth, to check chaos and dispersion, to put everything into its rightful place, to restore and maintain cosmic order. The early kings made sacrifices to the Great Spirit to create holy bonds designed to hold the world together. This was perhaps the king?s most important function. Perhaps you should find a way to act like a king within your relationship? Second, be prepared to take serious action to prevent future erosion. Crossing the great river is no holiday, it is a difficult and burdensome undertaking. No one leaves home, breaks old habits and patterns of thought, without great need. Third, one must be persistent. All this may take a lot of time and effort.
Inside Hex 59 there is a clue: the nuclear Hexagram 27 (Jaws) often points to problems with giving and taking nourishment. Are there nourishment issues at work in your relationship? Do you have enough to eat of each other, are you full and satisfied? Or is someone still hungry, or perhaps unwilling or unable to eat? Of course, I mean ?eat? in the symbolic sense, the nourishing parts of your relationship that keep it healthy and fit. Don?t just think of him ? have you had enough to eat lately? Perhaps one of you or both are being worn down by hunger.
I know this is a gloomy and unwelcome reading, but Hex 59 worries me because it can be so subtle and gently destructive. Take care. I hope I?m wrong.
January 9th, 2003, 03:21 PM
Anita accidentally sent her reply to this post back by email rather than posting it here. So it arrived in my inbox, and here it is:
Thnk you so much for writing and your gentle warning. But I am a die-hard optimist so I take what makes sense to me in the hexagram. I have come across in Karcher and others allusions to "overcoming estrangement" and "union through religious ritual" although I know that dissolution too is a meaning. If the win can get everywhere, I'm sure it can achieve anything -- with gentleness and adaptability.
Besides 59 is not the only hex I receive. I also get constantly 54 with lines that speak of the lonely maiden (we meet twice a year) waiting and finally marrying as well as 38 with lines that allude to the companion biting through obstacles to reunite with the one he knows he belongs to. Also the I Ching always counsels me to persevere and wait, saying that he is the superior man.
I have no reasons to believe otherwise since my last conversation with him on New Year was very promising and positive with great declarations of love and commitment from both sides. He is one who never speaks lightly and always keeps his word. So I hope things will turn out well for us although we are separated most of the time.
Thanks once again Lindsay.
January 9th, 2003, 07:17 PM
"Also the I Ching counsels me to persevere and wait, saying that he is the superior man"
Do you mean you believe the Yi is saying your boyfriend is the superior man ???
January 10th, 2003, 07:10 AM
Hello Lindsay and Louise,
First let me add something more on 59. My boyfriend has told me that he will come back the first chance he gets. He must complete his thesis on the theory of relativity before he does.
By the way, I don't expect him to move to India as he has no fit job openings here. instead, i see myself moving to wherever he may be in some years from now. So I hope things will turn out well for us although we are separated most of the time.
I have also drawn 59 when asking if he'd write soon (and I know he will) -- and the image or judgement that says the king proclaims his command abroad does make sense in that light. He scatters his command abroad.
I asked the Yi last night what it meant by giving me 59 in response to my question and first it gave me 55 - lines 3 (can't do anything for the time being but the situation will not persist) and line 5 (following good counsel brings blessings) turning to hexagram 17 and when I asked a second time (I have read that ancient diviners asked the same question 3 times. The second and third to clarify the first answer) I got 59 again! Very goosebumpy! Bought a smile to my face as the Yi often does. And line 5 here speaks of the king scattering perspiration by gifting his treasures to the people.
Blofeld interprets this as dissolving anxiety (perspiring) by making offerings. It changes to hexagram 14.
Louise, to answer your question, yes I do believe he is the superior man. My temple believes he is and the Sensei can see through anyone right away -- the right man for me and his not having communicated with me for some time does not prove otherwise. He believed that he needed to focus on his work for a time and he takes an hour at least to write a small mail to me -- he takes great care to express himself correctly. This would take a lot of time and I understand this well. I also understand what's in his heart and so, I did not resent him for not writing regularly. It was however, not a total desert. He left end September and in October let me know through Itsuko that he would return and that he missed me. In December he wrote me a long mail for my birthday and talked to me on the telephone and now here he is again for the New Year.
When I ask the Yi whether he is the right choice for me I always get very positive responses. The Yi refers to him as faithful, sincere and highly intelligent and spiritual.
Best for your Quest
January 10th, 2003, 06:23 PM
You (and only you) are the final authority on how the Yi relates to your affairs. The rest of us can only suggest a few tentative ideas based on our own experience that may or may not apply.
The voice of the Sage seems to be speaking to you very clearly. What greater reassurance can the Yi offer? I am sincerely pleased to hear its messages are so positive for your happiness.
My own interpretation was admittedly faulty and incomplete, but more important it was also perhaps needlessly alarming. There is an old fortune-teller?s confidence trick that recommends using messages like, ?An unexpected problem will soon appear? ? the idea being that such a warning cannot fail to become a self-fulfilling prophecy. When we are looking for bad news, we usually have no difficulty finding some. It was not at all my intention to play such a sleazy game. Please don?t let my reading worry you ? it was well-meant, but plainly wrong.
The lesson for me is that it is not a good idea to offer a negative reading to another person unless one has all the facts. Perhaps it is never a good idea under any circumstances.
January 10th, 2003, 06:55 PM
FWIW, I think it's a good idea to offer a negative reading to another person whenever you're sincerely confident that that's what the Yi meant. If you think there's a message that needs conveying, what else can you do? The worst you can be is wrong. (Search this forum diligently, you might even find that you're not the only one...)
I don't think anyone is going to alarm Anita: she has a degree of confidence and trust that is rare and valuable indeed! Perhaps this is the quality you need to get through 59 unscathed. Remember those ancient kings founding their temples on the evanescent wind and water of offerings?
Also very, very much FWIW, as I know you have your own very solid relation to the Yi, I do think it's possible to consult too often on the same issue. If Yi is telling you that it meant 59 when it said 59...
A question I find helpful: what am I going to change or do differently as a result of this reading?
I only have half a thought on 59 in this context. An unchanging hexagram might point to something you personally need to understand before things can move on. Perhaps the idea is that this relationship is founded on the flowing waters of change, rather than in the more conventionally solid way? It's hard to believe in for us ordinary mortals - 'no visible means of support', as it were - but I'm coming round to the idea that you and he might be different.
Hope some of this makes some sense to someone...
January 10th, 2003, 08:44 PM
Er I really don't think you got anything to be sorry about Lindsay. When I read your response I thought it was pretty brilliant - tactful, sensitive and a great interpretation of 59.
January 10th, 2003, 08:47 PM
FWIW ? Can't imagine what it stands for - love to know ?
January 10th, 2003, 09:14 PM
Aha - For What Its Worth ? Came up with that after 10 minutes hard thinking.