What happens in 2012?

I KNEW Bill was in on it!

[hester]

Hahaha!

[bradford_h]

My favorite was a story on the Science Channel.
A team of circle makers was tasked to create an elaborate circle, on film, in under five hours.
Biggest problem was a crowd of believers heckling them and throwing large rocks at their workers. Some of the rocks were big enough to kill or seriously injure. But they got it done anyway.

Would love to have seen them do that.

[heylise]

i did that!! i did that!!

[heylise]

and if you don't believe it, come watch!
doing it again!!!
i did that!!!

Dancing space coyote! Of course!

[gene]

Hello everyone

First, my sympathies for those in London who experienced the explosions this morning, and indeed, to all of England, and actually, all of the world.

As for seeing an alien, no, not that I remember... however, see the following. Well, forget that, this computer does not have a place to put a floppy disk. However, to make a long story short, as a child I experienced a cigar shaped wingless UFO in broad daylight, overhead. While wrestling with some neighborhood friends early in the afternoon, I suddenly blacked out. When I became aware again, it was about six o'clock in the afternoon. About three hours of time was missing, so I suspect I was an abductee. I have seen several things since then too.

Kevin, you are mostly right about not fearing the UFO's. While they are somewhat dangerous, abductions are somewhat rare, and you likely won't remember them anyway. But more than that, there seems to be a counterbalance group that attempts to stop this from ocurring as much as possible.

We really don't need to worry about anything. But there is a responsibility to our fellow man and ourselves, to maintain freedom and fairness in the world. Contrary to popular opinion, the illuminati are not all powerful, even with their knowledge and ability to create an illusion in the minds of most people. Their power is simply that, the ability to create an illusion. In order to carry out any military undertaking, they have to have willing foot soldiers. Do you think the foot soldiers would slaughter their fellow human beings if they didn't think there was some valid and moral reason for doing so? Some would, most would not. And especially when it comes to their own people. A few years back, the military leaders at the pentagon went around to the generals in the field at various military bases to ask if they were willing to fire on their own people. Most likely some would, some would not, but it depends a lot on their perception of the need to do so. The footsoldier is not going to fire on his own homeland people unless he is convinced there is some kind of threat. That is why awareness is so important. That is why I tell people this. Not to create fear, but to avert it. Avert it through awareness so that we do not have to go through it. But if these things make you fear, or anxious, that is exactly the kind of fear I was saying we have to deal with. Anyway.... George Bush Sr himself said, "If the people really knew what we have done, they would chase us down the street and lynch us." I am not advocating that or any kind of revolution or civil war. Simply be aware, then we can make choices that are right for us.

More later,
Gene

[gene]

And Hilary

You asked me what I thought about the microchip. If I remember anyway. I am not sure how much and what kind of information you get in Great Britain, but let me tell you this. The microchip is already being planned. The DHSSm (Department of Health and Social Services) has already requested the funds and resources to first microchip the homeless people, to keep track of them, then later that will be extended to all people requesting social services. If you have children, and need food stamps to feed them, eventually you will be microchipped.

The law has already been passed in the United States for a National ID card. This is to be tied into a RFID. This is to go into effect three years after the date of passing, which would make it approximately June of 2008. At any point of sale, the NID card will have to be passed through. If you do not have it, you cannot buy or sell. (Sound familiar? "...no man may buy or sell save he had the mark of the beast") Three years from now all Americans will be tracked everywhere they go. Will those who refuse go to the concentration camps in the United States that have already been built? I don't know, but I suspect they will.

Gene

[gene]

Apparently, the National ID is happening in Great Britain too. Or I mistook. I was pretty sure this happened in the United States though. See the following:

"The true purpose of widespread surveillance cameras is right before
us. The intention is to monitor behaviour and then define that
behaviour as criminal. Today it's dropping gum, tomorrow it could
be the way you walk. Remember Admiral Poindexters gait analysis
program? It studied the way people walk and their likelihood of
being terrorists."
- Manchester (UK) Evening News, June 7 2005

*** Big brother is coming...
- London Independent

...and sooner than you think. Identity cards will become reality
within three years as MPs voted to begin the process on Tuesday, June
28th, 2005. But why? What will ID cards mean for ordinary citizens?
Will they be weapons against terrorism, or sinister tools of the state?
Andy McSmith, Political Editor, looks into the (near) future.

This is not a scene from a futuristic movie: it will happen to you,
and it will cost you. One day, you will go to a government office,
such as the London Passport Office near Victoria, and be shown to a
reception area, where you will fill out a form, giving your name,
age, gender, postcode, and ethnic background. You will be ushered
into a booth, where you will face a hi-tech camera, which will speak
to you in a voice like a dalek's.

The machine will tell you not to grin while it scans your facial
measurements. It will instruct you to sit forward and watch the two
ellipses in the camera lens while it examines your irises. When the
machine has finished with you, you will put four fingers and a thumb
on a glass scanner, so that your fingerprints can be entered on a
national database.

When the visit is over, you will be the latest entry on the national
register, with your unique National Identity Registration Number
(NIRN), a piece of plastic like the one pictured on the facing page,
and an invoice for around GBP 100, or much more according to some
estimates. For the rest of your life, the Government will know who
you are.

Identity cards have been a talking point for so long that it might
seem like an idea that is never going to happen. In fact, it is
just a few years from becoming part of the way we live. On June 28th,
the government whips in the House of Commons roundeed up Labour
MPs to restart the legislative process for introducing ID cards,
against the combined opposition of the Tories, Liberal Democrats,
some of the smaller parties and at least a dozen Labour rebels.

The last attempt, before the election, ran out of time when the
House of Lords obstructed it, but Tony Blair is determined to see
the measure on the statute book before he leaves Downing Street.
This time, there does not seem to be anything to stop him. There
are plenty of Labour MPs grumbling, but the number who will vote
against the Government is small enough to be manageable, according
to the whips. If the Lords tries to block the legislation, the
Commons will use the Parliament Act to override it.

* From 2008 - unless Parliament proves more rebellious than expected -
it will become increasingly hard for anyone to avoid the expense and
inconvenience of obtaining an ID card. Anyone who renews a passport
or driving licence will be obliged to acquire a card at the same
time. The Home Secretary will have the power to specify that
certain groups of people - such as benefit claimants - must have
them. Using false information to obtain a card will be a criminal
offence carrying a two-year jail sentence. Anyone caught with a
fake ID card or any hacker caught trying to tamper with the national
register could face 10 years in jail.

Further into the future - unless the experiment is brought crashing
down by rising costs, computer failure and political opposition -
the whole population will be obliged to own one of these expensive
bits of plastic. And, for the first time ever, the Government will
have a complete and constantly updated list of everyone living in
the UK. If your name is not on the register, you will be liable for
a GBP 2,500 fine.

But what is it all for?

During the general election, Labour party canvassers had an easy
time selling ID cards like a medicinal compound. Whatever the worry
was - be it immigration, terrorism or crime - identity cards would
fix it. Opinion polls and canvass returns alike showed an
overwhelmingly positive public response. Michael Howard, the Tory
leader, saw which way opinion was blowing and ordered his reluctant
troops not to oppose ID cards. That helps to explain why, despite
being so enormous in its implications and so clearly laid out in
Labour's manifesto, the proposal received almost no national
publicity during the campaign.

There is some evidence now that popular support is falling away, but
it is a very long way from where it was in the late 1940s, when the
Labour government, under Clement Attlee, faced a middle-class revolt
rather like the recent protests over fox-hunting. Identity cards
had been introduced as a wartime measure, and it outraged
respectable citizens that they were still expected to hold them in
peacetime, in the days when George Orwell was writing 1984.

In December 1950, a motorist named Clarence Henry Willcock, the
54-year-old manager of a dry-cleaning firm, was stopped in north
London by PC Harold Muckle. There was no implication he was doing
anything wrong and he flatly refused to produce an ID card. PC
Muckle therefore arrested him. The case went to a Court of Appeal,
where the Lord Chief Justice reluctantly upheld Willcock's
conviction, but he added damningly: "The police now, as a matter of
routine, demand the production of national registration cards
whenever they stop or interrogate a motorist for whatever cause.

"To demand production of the card from all and sundry," the judge
added, "is wholly unreasonable. To use Acts of Parliament passed
for particular purposes in wartime when the war is a thing of the
past tends to turn law-abiding citizens into lawbreakers."

A few months later an incoming Tory government abolished compulsory
ID cards. They then became one of those totemic ideas favoured by
people with very hardline views on law and order, until 11 September
2001 made them a politically acceptable anti-terrorist device.

Anyone who has recently visited the United States is familiar with
the technology that instantly records visitors' fingerprints and
iris imprints. Visitors from the UK will soon be required to have
"biometric" visas, which will cost $100 (GBP 58) a time. In the
circumstances, Tony Blair believes, it makes sense to replace
old-fashioned British passports with "biometric" documents, which
will cost nearly GBP 80 each. Why not add a requirement to have an ID
card, for an extra GBP 15 or so?