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My son is the lead singer of a band, has experienced tonsillitis on and off for many years although not in the last 12 months.
Last night he did a gig and said it was the worst vocal performance he's ever done and is wondering whether it's a voice change and he's not able to sing like he used to (he's 23) and singing lessons may help or whether it is actually a physical throat problem.
He's getting it investigated by a specialist to rule out the throat problem first.

What is the problem with his singing voice

Hex 18.6>46

Sound to me there's been some damage to his throat when hitting the upper vocal range.

- Liss
 

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I think it means that he should attend to it in a way in keeping with his high standards. See the doctor and so forth. This response seems to point out how difficult it is to use the I Ching for medical problems, as the response does not seem to fit the question ...
 
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Thanks ginnie - Oh I thought there was a medical book on the Yi, maybe not but what you've said sounds good and hopefully we'll find out this week :)
 

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What is the problem with his singing voice

Hex 18.6>46

Sound to me there's been some damage to his throat when hitting the upper vocal range


:confused: how does it sound like that ? The line says that honouring what is highest is one's business and one need not pay attention to kings and princes.

I might take that there is no significant problem....but actually you had 18.6 recently about the neighbour didn't you. http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?19874-Dealers-Hex-18-3-6-gt-7


I think Yi is always talking to us ourselves. Now if you keep getting 18.6 then the message is for you. You ask about many external things not about you and it seems to me Yi, in giving you repeated 18.6s is asking you to get on with your own affairs and not mind others. Yi seems to be suggesting you pull in your attention from other people's issues, even your son's....let him deal with it, it isn't your problem.


Don't bother with any medical I Ching, it will be nonsense. Yi talks to you about you first and foremost and given you are getting plently of 18.6s I think it is asking you to focus on you.

Do you record your readings ? I recommend the software journal...now called resonance journal. It's just if you don't notice you keep getting the same reading you are going to imagine all these answers are about this and that and the other where all along they are talking about you.

I think the more you take answers as being directly addressed to you, and fundamentally Yi is a guide to us ourselves, the more you will understand your answers.

You thought 18.6 was about the neighbour but it was about you... It's all about you.


I beseech you ;) to start considering that any answer will be first and foremost about you yourself.

Yes now and then answers refer to externals but you cannot guarantee if asking about externals the answer will be about that. I think Yi is asking you not to concern yourself over your son's voice at all.


It's not a worrying answer....he can deal with it in his own way. It boils down to

'don't worry Liss it's all okay....he can handle it...now what about you ????'
 
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Thanks for the info he of Changes.

Fair enough Trojina I'm all for applying readings to myself.
I always read Hex 18 as corruption/decay of some kind and so applied that to possible damage to his throat or voice and Hex 46 as Pushing Upward as in his upper vocal range.
In terms of minding my own business, in this instance he rang me very distressed about it as do both my youngest boys whenever they're upset about something, saying that he'd be devastated if it's something physical as it's what his life revolves around 99% of the time.
For the last 10 years I've watched this young man become a workaholic when it comes to his music spending all his hard earned cash and time on whatever he thinks can get him and his band ahead, giving him gifts of money myself and prizes I've won that are appropriate to help him.
His brother spent the weekend with him going to see this performance and yet he never mentioned his concern about his voice to him. As soon as his brother left he rang me to tell me about the worry about his voice.
I also have a very keen interest in the health of our body and instantly refer it to the metaphysical first and foremost and know what lifestyle changes besides what eastern medicine to apply in most cases.
As for the neighbour thing - sure it's none of my business except when it impinges on me and after what I went through with my exhusband I'm just ensuring I don't experience the ill affects of anybody else substance abuse and as you know the neighbours did come and apologise to me.

A funny other thing happened in amongst this - I had to apply for a police check for the volunteer position I'm starting today and I had to go through a private enterprise to get it and the person I spoke to said she'd no idea how to do it but I'll get onto now and give you a call within the hour. 24 hours later no call. I rang her boss, told her the situation, she sorted and when I went into the office next the girl apologised and saying she'd put it into the too hard basket but thanks for pushing me because now I've learned how to do it.
I could have minded my own business but then the external forces would have never got anything done....just sayin' - Liss
 
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Trojina you got me intrigued about this line and how to apply it to myself so I looked into it further, this is what I found


Line 6
‘No business with kings and lords,
Honouring what is highest is your business.’

I've read this to mean 'Honour what is my Highest Business' - so with those words I feel it was my Highest business to make sure the corruption of substance abuse isn't around me and to make sure that my son is ok mentally and emotionally with the possibility of losing his singing voice as he suffers from great anxiety and self esteem issues. After all I've found it's usually the mother who picks up the pieces and offers the most TLC for their children particularly in my case with their father too busy being stoned or drunk or both. - Liss
 
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I didn't know you were in CC ? Puzzled how you link to wiki ? Are you in CC ?

The way I recall the drugs and neighbour issue there wasn't an issue in the end as he apologised....so there was no need to go reporting it to 'kings and lords'.





I can't see the 18.6 here as pointing to his actual issue with his throat,,,,,but if you feel it does fair enough.


We do have to sort out our relationships with 'parent' and authority figures of all kinds, create a working inner or outer hierarchy. (Like restoring correct relationships between the living and their ancestors.) But this isn’t an end in itself – there’s a higher goal.

Yes this means one goes beyond all ordinary roles required. However it's your son, I understand.
 
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Ah yes I know re the neighbours - so 18.6 applies to me - recognising that it was my own issues re the substances!
The throat issue we'll have to wait and see. He's going to the specialist next Tuesday. - Liss
 

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Re that page to 18 in wiki...I logged out but can still access it. That can't be right because it is only for CC members and I don't consent to have what I write in CC go beyond CC.

So how did that happen ? I will go and raise in on CC. If people want to access CC then they need to pay for it and support the site. It doesn't seem okay to just take pages from it. I know you meant no harm but still this isn't okay IMO. I don't consent to have what I posted there copied over here. Not to sound too precious about it but I don't agree with it.
 

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[Admin note - if the Wiki really is accessible to people who are logged out, that's a bug and I'll fix it. Posting Wiki links anywhere should be fine, because they should only work for CC members - anyone else clicking the link would just get the 'do not have permission...' message and encouragement to, as you say, sign up and support the site.

If that isn't true now, it will be in an hour or so's time when I've finished looking into this. Meanwhile, thank you Liss for removing the link!]
 
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This is probably irrelevant to the actual reading but yesterday my son went to the specialist and now has an appointment next week with a speech pathologist and then a return to the specialist. He said he was so glad to find a doctor who listened. More update next week - Liss
 
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Hex 18.6>46

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Saw this on another site and thought it connected in a funny way to your reading. Like saying to hell with the establishment! Not serving kings and princes.

More to the point of the question though, the voice is the most fragile instrument there is. It is not man (nor woman) made, so it is not as subject to human control as a mechanical instrument is. But there are ways to damage it and to make it better.

Potential critical factors that may play into your son's voice is that of being spoiled through improper technique, which can happen when the voice is forced to perform in ways it wasn't intended to, such as shouting or straining his throat's components. Something else, which I was taught by my old vocal coach, is the effect that being nervous has, pulling the tongue back into the throat like a frightened snake. It's a natural reaction, which is why one of the exercises singers use before a performance is sticking their tongue out and holding it there. An exercise for this which really works wonders, and looks silly as hell, is to wrap the tongue backwards around a pencil, then to proceed to talk and sing while holding the pencil in place with only the tongue. Do this until the tongue is so tired it can barely hold onto the pencil any longer. Then remove the pencil and listen as you speak or sing. Suddenly you'll hear diction more clearly than any time in your life, and the tongue will be pulled out of the throat, allowing for the voice to project outward without obstruction. I used to do this while driving to every gig. Get funny looks from others driving by, but who cares! It really works like a miracle.
 
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Holy cow! I love them, Liss. They've got all the right elements goin' on: tight and talented, looks, presence, unique mix of clean and bad ass. That shadows video is well produced. I'd sign them in a heartbeat. Best of luck to them! Thanks for sharing.
 
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Thanks any way I can convince you to register with unearthed and put that in a review for them.....!!
 
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Thanks any way I can convince you to register with unearthed and put that in a review for them.....!!
Actually I was looking for my youtube password to leave a comment but it must have gone away with my last hard drive crash. I'm not familiar with unearthed.

I sure hope your son's voice is not permanently damaged. I think they nailed Shadow by being driven by his vocals. That hot female bass player doesn't hurt their image either - keeps them from that cute boy band classification, plus she plays a mean bass. As mentioned in PM, the instrumentals by themselves wouldn't carry them, imo. I'll look for unearthed. D'uh, I see it's the link itself. I watched their vid on youtube. Sure, I'll register.

Registered, followed and left a review, which hasn't shown up yet.
 
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JJJ Unearthed it's an Australia radio station.

Soz sooo - That hot female bass player is gone from the band cause she just wasn't committed enough as good as she is. :eek:
 
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Dang. It so hard to keep a band together, creative A type personalities. And it's always when on the verge of breaking through that feuds fire up. That's often at least as difficult as creating the music itself.
 
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Funny you should talk about feuds - when they were recording their first CD a bit of a feud happened between 3 of them, they sorted it out and are now best mates. Previous to that they only knew it other through creating the band.
As for the female - no feud there - they just said either commit more or your out and she said ok I'm out and still supports them as a band.
But I do know what you're talkin' about seen it happening when I was a girl. - Liss
 

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