Left breast

candida · Apr 2, 2005

Recently I recieved an ominous sounding mammogram report. There is an area of high suspicion for cancer, so I asked" what is happening in my left breast" and received hex 23 splitting apart. It sounds as if I might have part of my breast removed or lose all of it, what do ya all think?
Anyone care to cast for me? as this is a very frightening time for me.

kevin · Apr 2, 2005

Hi Candida

So very sorry to hear your situation... Been there with friends... Know how nightmarish is is...

It could just mean minor surgery...lumpectomy etc

Ask the Yi again in the light of the first answer?

Warmly

--K

dobro p · Apr 2, 2005

A woman I work with was recently diagnosed similarly, and the lump was removed, and it was cancerous. So now she's going through the chemo. Without the chemo, she was told, there was a 25% chance of a reoccurrence, considering how early they'd detected it. The chemo reduces the chances of reoccurrence even further. She listened to what they had to say and weighed it all up and made the decision that seemed most sensible.

Wouldn't it make sense to find out what the medicos have to say before you consult the Yi? That way you've got more information to work with.

Good luck with it, Candida.

kevin · Apr 2, 2005

Thoughts... I am being dramatic... lumpectomy indeed... Could mean a biopsy... Have a look see.

As a total not a Dr... I believe if you check the med. sites you will find most 'areas of additional density' are not malignant at all... could even be a little scar tissue built up arround a blocked duct... That was what my dear lovely ladies problem was... we went through hell and back with doubt until a very minor key hole peek was done.

Statistically you will be good.

In your corner

--k

candid · Apr 2, 2005

Would not dare to venture a guess, Candida. 23 can pertain to anything, from leaving your fear to something more traumatic.

Rather than ask the Yi for a diagnosis, I asked what is the best mental/emotional place to be in during this time for you? 28.5 to 32.

Pondering big and frightening thoughts, you stand firmly, steadying the helm of your heart, renouncing the world if you must. Do not change your course because of this. Line 5: your life energy will only be further exhausted if you allow this to bring you down to the bottom with fear. Be brave and meet your fate with faith. Though it?s completely natural for you to feel worry and shock, you can begin to bolster and support a positive and optimistic outlook for your future, no matter what. This is the attitude Yi gives you at this time. It does not predict the outcome. That?s the whole idea behind 28 and 32. Stand firm in the face of adversity and do not change your plans or give up your hope for a fruitful life.

Things like this have the potential to bring out the best in people, while facing the possibility of the worst. Believe for the best, no matter what.

Praying for your wellness.

Candid

candida · Apr 2, 2005

Kevin, Dobro, and Candid,
You people make me feel much better just with a few, kind thoughts and casting for me. I like the idea of asking what should be my attitude/thought patterns at this time. Thank you all for the help.
Candida

anita · Apr 2, 2005

Candida,

I feel for you, having lost my father to cancer a long time ago. But today cures are so much more advanced, and as Candid says, situations like these can bring out the best in you. Use it to evolve spiritually. Here's wishing you the best.

Anita

brian · Apr 2, 2005

Bo is often looked at in many different ways--but there seems to be a common theme--this gua is one of encouragement, it calls for people to be strong in the face of uncertainty.

All people have within themselves great strength, when we feel worrisome or fearful it is not because we are weak.

hilary · Apr 2, 2005

Dear Candida,

Dobro's right, of course: the doctors are the ones to ask for a diagnosis. Though in your situation I would not be waiting peaceably for them to get round to one, either!

I think hexagram 23 implies some kind of cutting and removing what doesn't belong - at least such is my very, very small experience. But the last time I saw 23 in a very similar situation to this, what needed cutting out was a cyst. (And you can bet I panicked for this woman when I saw the hexagram.)

Candid's post is a beautiful one. Hexagram 28 agrees that yes, the world feels like falling round your ears - and no, this does not make you weak. Hexagram 28 shows that what feels like an ending from one perspective, is the hatching of an egg from another. The heart continues its journey (in 32). Right now it's spring, old trees burst out in new flowers, people take joy in being together just for its own sake.

Hope you can get out and enjoy the spring. I'm in your corner, too.

Hilary

candida · Apr 2, 2005

Hi Anita, Brian, and Hilary,
How encouraging to hear from you all! Anita, I am real sorry you lost your father and particulary to such a horrible disease. Even though it has been a long time ago, I wish you all the best.
Brian, it is wonderful what you posted about "All people have within themselves great strength,when we feel worrisome or fearful, it is not because we are weak". That is encourageing emotionally because I've felt very emotionally weak this last year because we became homeless for about 3 months in the dead of winter, got the flu extremely bad and lost our car. We have gained all those things back, but the turmoil and strife of that time might have affected the hormone levels and "brought" this breast condition on, as the specialists all speak of stress doing these kinds of things. So it is especially uplifitng to know that I have been encouraged by you people.
Hilary, thank you greatly for sharing your thoughts too. I think you might be right on about the "cutting out" of something which 28 might refer to. I've had 2 other benign tumors removed(one lumpectomy from same breast and one ovarian tumor)so hopefully if this is anything at all, it is just a benign tumor again. Hopefully, they are wrong. I can emphathise with you about the reading you had for the woman you spoke about in your posting. Just curious, was that woman you, or were you litterally talking about a different person? Thank you all for your concerns and prayers.

bradford_h · Apr 2, 2005

Hi Candida-
I see this as letting go of what needs to be let go of in order to keep what needs to remain.
I hope all you need to lose is a little piece of bad flesh and the money it takes to have it removed. If it means a little more than that, that's life. I just hope you get after it quickly - we want as much of you as we can keep around here.
b

waveringdragon · Apr 3, 2005

i relate to this on a personal level, i've been through it before with one family member and unfortunatelty it has turned up again with another one, it's not good, it's no fun but it's there to be dealt with,
i wanted to cast for you if only by way of being supportive but like everyone else i felt you were asking the wrong question, i thought for a long time about what would be the right question to ask, it was good to do, in the end i asked for guidance regarding the question, her's the question,
"how should candida think about this situation so that she deals with it in the right way from the begining in order that she stays attuned with her tao?"
it's the most complicated question i've ever asked, it was a complicated reading but those were the three aspects that stood out from it, i think the question is everything in this case,
the response i received was 55.5
this can be really good for you if you deal with it in the right way,

blessings to you,

paul

jerryd · Apr 3, 2005

Possibly the worst thing Candida is to give negative thinking room to grow. Best of all possible results is my hope for you.

freemanc · Apr 3, 2005

Candida,

In offering this small nuance of difference in reading, I hope I'm not merely being clever at a stressful time, but rather am actually adding something useful.

23 is very roughly, about the good guys coming and sorting out things in the castle. It is a crisis point, but one that in my mind points to a good outcome.

The thought that leapt to my mind was that the exact question was: what *is happening* in your body--- not really about surgery or physicians, etc.

To me, this suggested that the oracle was reminding you that the "good guys" in your body, your immune system or whatever, are, *as normal*, hard at work right now. I see this as the oracle teaching courage.

But the reading is also a little dark. It suggests you do need to stay put and deal with this; keep your appointments and so on.

I hope this was useful, or at least not annoying.

Know too you're in our thoughts and prayers.
FC

candida · Apr 4, 2005

What a wonderfully, lovely bunch of people here!
Thanks for all the postings and concerns. It
strengthens me as I wait to get my 2nd mamm on the 6th. Often in todays world where there is constant strife, it is good to find centeredness
and care/compassion. You've proven that it still exists and I thank you.

heylise · Apr 6, 2005

Wishing you all the best for the coming day.

Thinking about 23.. it can mean all sorts of things happening, but isn't it kind of telling you that the outcome will be: that you are 'clean'?
Removing what is not right, but keeping what is good.

LiSe

candida · Apr 8, 2005

Hi Heylise and everybody out there,
Thank you for your kind, caring thoughts!
I had my 2nd round of mamms on the 6th and
had some bad/good news and Hilary and I were right on about hex 23 about cutting away or as I like to call it pruning.
I am putting this on the table for everyone especially because it is a catharsis for me and I implore all the women out there to get their yearly mamms--particularly if you are 50 and counting.
The radiologist told me that I have the worst kind, micro-calcifications (macro is the better kind)and that they will have to come out. He is 85% positive that they are benign but won't know until they are removed of course. The good news is that they are confined in a vein so if they were cancerous they couldn't get out to commit havoc. hallelujah(sp?) The bad news is that micro-calcs are 9 times out of 10 the precursor to cancer. However, I am not going to "OWN CANCER" AS Oprah is always saying on her show, "You have to own this" meaning you have to accept things as being your responsibility, or own up to them. I will never own up to that nasty disease. I've already started a regimen of flaxseed oil/cottage cheese
diet,the Dr. Johanna Budwig anti-cancer diet and visualization tecniques as a sort of prevention or re-occurrance of the micros. Dr. Budwigs' site can be found through a search engine. Hear's to healthy living,
Candida
P.S. if anyone knows of any other treatment ideas I'm all ears.
Candida

heylise · Apr 8, 2005

Happy with the good news! I think 23 means: nothing bad left after pruning.

Never use a deodorant with anything in it with "chlor" in its name! Which means practically every deodorant is bad. It can even cause breast cancer in men.

Good: fat kinds of fish, salmon is excellent, except when raised in captivity. Olive oil is good too.

Best health-food in the world: being carefree.

LiSe

kevin · Apr 8, 2005

Stay with the program Sister

So pleased

--Kevin

cal val · Apr 8, 2005

Hi Tatiana...

I'm happy to hear your good news Tatiana. Really happy. *hug*

I held back on posting to this thread because I just happened to be waiting for my own mammogram results when you posted.

Uncanny really, but I had something very similar happen... regarding the same breast even. But I got resolution to my situation a lot sooner than you did. And for the brief time I was in limbo I understood all too keenly what you were probably feeling.

I got the results in the mail this week. It was a terse one-sentence letter from my doctor that read: <center>Need additional views.
[Insert suspense music here]</center>
I had to pull myself back from panic a couple of times. I even consulted the Yi asking WHY does she need additional views??? and they answered 3.1.6 to 20.

Needless to say, I was on the phone with the doctor's office and radiologist first thing the next morning. The radiologist gave me resolution immediately. She explained there was a glitch in their reporting program that IT was looking at and hadn't yet been able to solve. The terse one-sentence letter was being generated by the program before the radiologist had a chance to generate her own. Her letter (which I still haven't gotten... thank you glitch) will tell me they found densities in my left breast... nothing prominent... nothing to get excited about... yet, and they want to look at it again in six months... rather than wait a year.

This is why I'm posting now. I want to reiterate the very important message you conveyed to the women reading this forum and encourage them all myself to get yearly mammograms. They are absolute life savers. With this wonderful technology they caught your nasty little buggers so early the doctors can get them before they can get you... neener neener neener. And because of this wonderful technology they can watch my little buggers for at least another six months without worry. And, as I'm sure you have as well, I have seen many women, who didn't have this technology available to them, be horribly disfigured by massive surgery or worse... die of breast cancer. But because of mammography you have nothing to fear from breast cancer... and neither do I... and neither do so many more women today than ever before.

Love,

Val

candida · Apr 9, 2005

Greetings Heylise, Kevin, and Val
Val, your sharing about similar circumstances proves this kind of sisterhood among us gals
even though its' through unwanted means. I hope that you get an excellent report! And the thoughts/advice from Helise and Kevin are much appreciated. I wonder what brand of deodorant is without the chor ingredient? I've heard that report about deodorants that have that substance in them and their relationship to breast cancer. I'm going to look it up on a search engine now.
Wishing you a great night, Candida

cal val · Oct 7, 2005

Candida...

Where are you when I need you? I just went for my 6-month follow-up mammogram this morning... on my iffy left breast. Uggghhh

I could see the x-ray of my left breast from my previous mammogram hanging in front of the lightbox when I stepped up to the titty squishing machine... and I saw the spots they're concerned about. Ugghhhh... very noticable... kind of scarey. And when the technician came back after making sure all the pictures came out okay, she only peeked into the room, said, "You can get dressed now, you'll get a letter in the mail," and then quickly closed the door behind her... didn't give me a chance to ask "What'd you see?" Up 'til then, she'd been very chatty. So...

Everyone...

Of course, I asked the Yi once I got out of there... "What's in my left breast that shouldn't be?" and they answered 55 to 37. I had an immediate feeling about that, but it was kind of a given, so I'd love to hear if anyone else picks up anything strongly.

Thanks.

Love,

Val

freemanc · Oct 8, 2005

Val, my friend,

Here's what I come up with for 55.4.5.6/37. It may be a little pat and colored with wishful thinking because of my affection for you, but I'm trying to play it straight. But it all seems apt and relevant...

In 55, of course, there is a sea change, the eclipse that augurs the revolution. A dangerous matter, but a hopeful one.

4)The Yi master we meet, is a good ally though one we find fearful and a wild card. A physician, perhaps, in your case.

5)In the coming rule, rejoicing and honor. Now to me this is reassuring, but on the other hand, a change of rule is truly a vast change. The very heavens are altered.

6)We see this as a counterfactual, as you and I have discussed before. I would call your attention to the danger of hiding, and not engaging the enemy and taking on this time of change in a proactive way.

Withal, our friend the oracle is being much itself. Be optimistic, but keep your powder dry. Be proactive but also serene in the face of a "change of rule".

Another slight thought. Is it possible that you're prosecuting some other "regime change" as well as thinking of your health, and you are being admonished to continue tending that fire as well? -- not let this cause a bobble?

fondly,
FC

cal val · Oct 8, 2005

Hi Freeman...

Thank you so much for this reading. I've printed it out to study.

If that master in line 4 was the principal in the other 'regime change' that the Yi is (yet again) admonishing me about, does it say anywhere there if he'll be around to help me get through this...

or will I have to go through this alone as well. I've already been through so much alone for so long (getting really good at cracking my little whip)... and the universe just keeps saying "keep your eye on this 'regime change' and be patient."

Hey... I do believe it's a pity party Freeman...you and me! (I've been fighting back tears since I first read your post a couple of hours ago.)

Love,

Val

PS... I hope you feel better soon!

millie · Oct 8, 2005

candida, i have nothing to offer on the reading, but i do sincerely offer you my wishes for a speedy recovery. may only good things come to you.

freemanc · Oct 8, 2005

Dear V,

Indeed! Woe is us!

A valid concern; the Yi master is flakey and maybe a little crude minded or provincial? But note this is in the context of 55. After some drama -- negotating and reversals? -- he does prove a trustworthy ally. People are imperfect and complicated like that, I understand. Don't despair of this prince, I think.

...Speaking of complicated, this thread is, a little. Millie, look at the dates on this thread. Val tacked onto the Candid thread from a few months ago cause it was relevant... Please don't feel badly; it could happen to anyone.

F

cal val · Oct 10, 2005

Hi Freeman...

"Don't despair of this prince, I think." Thank you! "After some drama..." Is that the hold up? I say we fire the Director. This drama is way over-schedule and over-budget.

How's your cold? Are you feeling better today? I hope so!

Love,

Val

jte · Oct 11, 2005

" I wonder what brand of deodorant is without the chor ingredient? "

FYI, the Tom's of Maine brand is a deodorant here in the U.S. that does not have Aluminum Zirconium Tetrachlorohydrex in it.

- Jeff

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