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The Forgotten Origins of the Western World ...
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rosada
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I just asked the I Ching, What is your opinion of REALITY?
I received 33.3.4 - 20.
"Never seen it"?
"Don't know and don't want to know"?
33.3:
"Nerve - wraking and dangerous."
I received 33.3.4 - 20.
"Never seen it"?
"Don't know and don't want to know"?
33.3:
"Nerve - wraking and dangerous."
dobro p
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rosada said:
Withdraw from asking this question and contemplate reality instead.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parmenides
Quote:
The world of seeming (doxa): Parmenides' cosmogony
After the exposition of the arche, i.e. the origin, the necessary part of reality that is understood through reason or logos (that [it] Is) , in the next section, the Way of Appearance/Opinion/Seeming, Parmenides proceeds to explain the structure of the becoming cosmos (which is an illusion, of course) that comes from this origin.
The structure of the cosmos is a fundamental binary principle that governs the manifestations of all the particulars: "the aither fire of flame" (8, 56), which is gentle, mild, soft, thin and clear, and self-identical -- this is something like the masculine principle -- and the other is "ignorant night", body thick and heavy -- this is something like the feminine principle. Thus Parmenides' cosmogony is exactly like the yin-yang picture in Chinese cosmogony.
The mortals lay down and decided well to name two forms (i.e. the flaming light and obscure darkness of night), out of which it is necessary not to make one, and in this they are led astray. (8, 53-4)
The structure of the cosmos then generated is recollected by Aetius (II, 7, 1):
Parmenides says that there are coronas one enveloping or encircling another, one formed of rare [yang], and the other of dense [yin], others, mixed form of light and darkness, are in the middle. And Parmenides provides, surrounding all these, a [corona like a] wall of some kind, solid and just, under which is a corona of fire. And what is in the most center of all this [the core, kernel of the cosmos in the corona form] is again encircled by [a corona] of fire. And he provides the most middle [layer of corona] of the mixed coronas as the progenitor, for all beings, of all the movements and all the generations. He calls this [middle progenitor layer of corona] the goddess (daimona) that governs or that holds the key, or Justice (diken) or Necessity (ananke).
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The world of seeming (doxa): Parmenides' cosmogony
After the exposition of the arche, i.e. the origin, the necessary part of reality that is understood through reason or logos (that [it] Is) , in the next section, the Way of Appearance/Opinion/Seeming, Parmenides proceeds to explain the structure of the becoming cosmos (which is an illusion, of course) that comes from this origin.
The structure of the cosmos is a fundamental binary principle that governs the manifestations of all the particulars: "the aither fire of flame" (8, 56), which is gentle, mild, soft, thin and clear, and self-identical -- this is something like the masculine principle -- and the other is "ignorant night", body thick and heavy -- this is something like the feminine principle. Thus Parmenides' cosmogony is exactly like the yin-yang picture in Chinese cosmogony.
The mortals lay down and decided well to name two forms (i.e. the flaming light and obscure darkness of night), out of which it is necessary not to make one, and in this they are led astray. (8, 53-4)
The structure of the cosmos then generated is recollected by Aetius (II, 7, 1):
Parmenides says that there are coronas one enveloping or encircling another, one formed of rare [yang], and the other of dense [yin], others, mixed form of light and darkness, are in the middle. And Parmenides provides, surrounding all these, a [corona like a] wall of some kind, solid and just, under which is a corona of fire. And what is in the most center of all this [the core, kernel of the cosmos in the corona form] is again encircled by [a corona] of fire. And he provides the most middle [layer of corona] of the mixed coronas as the progenitor, for all beings, of all the movements and all the generations. He calls this [middle progenitor layer of corona] the goddess (daimona) that governs or that holds the key, or Justice (diken) or Necessity (ananke).
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rosada said:
On a clear night, climb a mountain, and look up ...
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bruce_g
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33.3 and 4
As I see (20) it:
Being attached to "reality" is the cause of suffering, but using it as your servant is an auspicious thing. Withdrawing, one finds pure love and inspiration. But, a common mind sees it as a waste of time.
(Inspired by http://www.anton-heyboer.org/i_ching/hex_33-48/hex_e_33.htm)
As I see (20) it:
Being attached to "reality" is the cause of suffering, but using it as your servant is an auspicious thing. Withdrawing, one finds pure love and inspiration. But, a common mind sees it as a waste of time.
(Inspired by http://www.anton-heyboer.org/i_ching/hex_33-48/hex_e_33.htm)
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33_> 20
As I see it, this refers to the central content of his books. I read through "Reality" and "Dark Places Of Wisdom", and though I could not abide his tone and teching method, I found of interest his teachings about Paramenides and the practice of "Incubation".
33 to 20 could be referring to that practice of incubation.
As I see it, this refers to the central content of his books. I read through "Reality" and "Dark Places Of Wisdom", and though I could not abide his tone and teching method, I found of interest his teachings about Paramenides and the practice of "Incubation".
33 to 20 could be referring to that practice of incubation.
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bruce_g said:
Love your take on it Bruce.
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yly2pg1 said:
love the greek logos. so rich.