Edit - I posted a much clearer summary of my results in reply #10 once I learned which things I was supposed to read



Hi, this is my first thread here so I'm not sure exactly what info I'm supposed to post, but I want to make sure I gave enough information to be complete so here we go.

Situation: A few weeks ago a very serious relationship ended, but I believe it ended over a misunderstanding. Right now I'm giving my ex some space. I'm wondering if I should contact her again (and if so, when), or just let go and move on.

Here are the questions I asked and the results I got:

What should I do regarding my situation with [name]?
(note that I clicked "consult the i ching" once but I saw the hexagrams flicker so maybe it counted as a double click, but I had no way to go back and see what the first one was... so this might be the wrong hexagram)

Primary Hexagram:
24. Fu / Return (The Turning Point)
--- ---
--- --- above K'un The Receptive, Earth
--- ---
--- ---
--- --- below Chên The Arousing, Thunder
-------
(the top two lines are red)

The Judgement

Return. Success.
Going out and coming in without error.
Friends come without blame.
To and Fro goes the way.
On the seventh day comes return.
It furthers one to have somewhere to go.


Relating Hexagram:
42. I / Increase
-------
------- above Sun The Gentle, Wind
--- ---
--- ---
--- --- below Chên The Arousing, Thunder
-------
(all lines are black)

The Judgement

Increase. It furthers one
To undertake something.
It furthers one to cross the great water.

I guess I don't have to post the explanations of the individual lines cuz they can be looked up, right? For the bottom line I found this explanation online: "If a man misses the right time for return, he meets with misfortune." Does that mean that if I don't time this correctly I will mess up the chance to reunite with my ex? If so, how do I determine the timing?


So from that first one, should I interpret that as I should contact her again in a week ("on the seventh day comes return?")

I wasn't sure how to interpret the individual lines...





Second question:

How does [name] feel toward me?

Primary Hexagram:
5. Hsu / Waiting (Nourishment)
--- ---
------- above K'an The Abysmal, Water
--- ---
-------
------- below Ch'ien The Creative, Heaven
-------
(the 2nd and 4th lines from the top are red, and the bottom line is red, as well)

The Judgement

Waiting. If you are sincere,
You have light and success.
Perseverance brings good fortune.
It furthers one to cross the great water.


Relating Hexagram:
7. Shih / The Army
--- ---
--- --- above K'un The Receptive, Earth
--- ---
--- ---
------- below K'an The Abysmal, Water
--- ---
The Judgement

The Army. The army needs perseverance
And a strong man.
Good fortune without blame.


I wasn't sure how to interpret this... is she "waiting" for me?


Thanks! I hope this isn't too long for a first post!

Hi.
It furthers to quickly and nobly return to the relationship.
Persevere in ridding yourself of faults and imitating good.
Be happy and cheerful.

Good luck.

Line 5:
Noblehearted return. No remorse.

Line 6:
Missing the return. Misfortune.
Misfortune from within and without.
If armies are set marching in this way,
One will in the end suffer a great defeat,
Disastrous for the ruler of the country.
For ten years
It will not be possible to attack again.

The Judgement(for 24):

Return. Success.
Going out and coming in without error.
Friends come without blame.
To and fro goes the way.
On the seventh day comes return.
It furthers one to have somewhere to go.

The Judgment(for 42):

Increase. It furthers one
To undertake something.
It furthers one to cross the great water.

The Image(for 42):

The superior man:
If he sees good, he imitates it;
If he has faults, he rids himself of them

If I look at the answer for question #2:

Line 1:

Waiting in the meadow.
It furthers one to abide in what endures.
No blame.

Line 3:

Waiting in the mud
Brings about the arrival of the enemy.

Line 5:

Waiting at meat and drink.
Perseverance brings good fortune.

The Judgement(for hex 5):

Waiting. If you are sincere,
You have light and success.
Perseverance brings good fortune.
It furthers one to cross the great water

The Image(for hex 5):

Clouds rise up to heaven:
The image of Waiting.
Thus the superior man eats and drinks,
Is joyous and of good cheer.

The Judgement(for hex 7):

The Army. The army needs perseverance
And a strong man.
Good fortune without blame.

The Image(for hex 7):

In the middle of the earth is water:
The image of the Army.
Thus the superior man increases his masses
By generosity toward the people.

What should I do regarding my situation with [name]? 24. 5,6 > 42

Quite simply you should apologize and soon as possible, otherwise you will be the big loser, as she seems pretty p***ed off with you at the moment.

jack12345 said:

Hi.
It furthers to quickly and nobly return to the relationship.
Persevere in ridding yourself of faults and imitating good.
Be happy and cheerful.

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Thanks for the reply! What do your red, blue, and green text highlights in your reply mean?

Does next week "seventh day" count as "quickly"? Or does "quickly" mean like "tomorrow?"

I'm not even sure that i ching result was correct. I accidentally doubleclicked the button (using a laptop). It could be that the first one was correct but I missed that one.

I feel like time is a critical factor here.

Do it too quickly = fail
Take too long = they move on

Should I do a new one and not doubleclick?

lol, this post is typical of me... over analyzing everything

willowfox said:

What should I do regarding my situation with [name]? 24. 5,6 > 42

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Ooh, let me make sure I understand the notation used here.

24.5,6 means hexagram 24 with lines 5 and 6 changing into 42, right? And lines goes from bottom to top so 5 and 6 are the top 2 lines, correct?

I wanted to phrase it that way in my thread but I didn't know the correct way to do so.

Quite simply you should apologize and soon as possible, otherwise you will be the big loser, as she seems pretty p***ed off with you at the moment.

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Thanks for the interpretation. Do you mind if I ask how you arrived at that? I'm very new to all of this.

Also, do you think my result could be skewed since I accidentally doubleclicked upon asking the question the first time?

Don't worry about the double click.
It would still have worked properly.
You don't get bad hexagrams unless you really importune(see hex 4).

The highlighting is just sort of a description of how I look at the hexagram text
and a road map to what makes me give out a certain answer.

Go with what I said earlier.

Return quickly and nobly.
Be cheerful and happy.
Work on your faults and imitate anything good that you see.

einhorn said:

Ooh, let me make sure I understand the notation used here.

24.5,6 means hexagram 24 with lines 5 and 6 changing into 42, right? And lines goes from bottom to top so 5 and 6 are the top 2 lines, correct?

Reply
****Exactly, you will find it all very easy after a few times.***************



Thanks for the interpretation. Do you mind if I ask how you arrived at that? I'm very new to all of this.

Reply
***************Go and study lines 24.5 and 6 then you will see the answer clear as day, it says that you need to return to her and make amends but if you wait to long then she will get even more angry and think that you really don't care for her at all.

So, the advice is to leave the computer and pick up the phone and call her now.****************************

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(My reply is in the box above) Go.

for 24.5-6 I found this:

5. The fifth SIX, divided, shows the noble return of its subject. There will be no ground for repentance.

6. The topmost SIX, divided, shows its subject all astray on the subject of returning. There will be evil. There will be calamities and errors. If with his views he put the hosts in motion, the end will be a great defeat, whose issues will extend to the ruler of the state. Even in ten years he will not be able to repair the disaster.

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What does the bolded part mean?

This is probably a noob question but where can i get some info on interpreting the lines within the hexes and how if they're changing affects the meaning?

thanks!

source: http://www.paranormality.com/iching_24.shtml

einhorn said:

for 24.5-6 I found this:

What does the bolded part mean?

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I don't know but have a look at this instead as it will serve you better,

http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/html/wiltrans/wilhelm_translation.html#24

Alright, I think I've got it now.

If there are two changing lines first you read the hexagram statement, and then you read only the changing lines. This is the present.

Then you read just the statement for the changed hexagram (don't read the individual lines). This represents the future.

I think I've got it now. So a more clear explanation would be:


What should I do regarding my situation with [name]?
24.5.6 --> 42

24 (Return / Turning point)

The Judgement

Return. Success.
Going out and coming in without error.
Friends come without blame.
To and fro goes the way.
On the seventh day comes return.
It furthers one to have somewhere to go.

The Image

Thunder within the earth:
The image of the Turning Point.
Thus the kings of antiquity closed the passes
At the time of solstice.
Merchants and strangers did not go about,
And the ruler
Did not travel through the provinces.

Line 5

Six in the fifth place means:
Noblehearted return. No remorse.

Line 6

Six at the top means:
Missing the return. Misfortune.
Misfortune from within and without.
If armies are set marching in this way,
One will in the end suffer a great defeat,
Disastrous for the ruler of the country.
For ten years
It will not be possible to attack again.

Changing into 42 (Increase):

The Judgement

Increase. It furthers one
To undertake something.
It furthers one to cross the great water.

The Image

Wind and thunder: the image of Increase.
Thus the superior man:
If he sees good, he imitates it;
If he has faults, he rids himself of them.



How does [name] feel toward me?
5.1.3.5 --> 7

5 (Waiting)

The Judgement

Waiting. If you are sincere,
You have light and success.
Perseverance brings good fortune.
It furthers one to cross the great water.

The Image

Clouds rise up to heaven:
The image of Waiting.
Thus the superior man eats and drinks,
Is joyous and of good cheer.

line 1

Nine at the beginning means:
Waiting in the meadow.
It furthers one to abide in what endures.
No blame.

line 3

Nine in the third place means:
Waiting in the mud
Brings about the arrival of the enemy.

line 5

Nine in the fifth place means:
Waiting at meat and drink.
Perseverance brings good fortune.


Changing into 7 (the Army):

The Judgement

The Army. The army needs perseverance
And a strong man.
Good fortune without blame.

The Image

In the middle of the earth is water:
The image of the Army.
Thus the superior man increases his masses
By generosity toward the people.



Now I have to think about this for a bit...

edit - this is pretty much the same thing jack12345 posted in reply #2... hehe... well at least I understand how to read it now

No, you read the lines first and then look at the 2nd hex

So, you read lines 24.5,6 and then hex 42 but just judgement/image, see which is applicable.

willowfox said:

No, you read the lines first and then look at the 2nd hex

So, you read lines 24.5,6 and then hex 42 but just judgement/image, see which is applicable.

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Are you saying you don't read the first hex's judgement/image first?

einhorn said:

Are you saying you don't read the first hex's judgement/image first?

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That is right, usually there are not so many lines and they tell the story.

You might want to look at this:
http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/learn/consult/interpret.php

good luck.

Oh. I could've sworn I read in two sources last night (one online and one physical book that I have) that it said you do read the first hexagram's judgement/image first. But it was like 1am so maybe I was tired and misread.

Let me ask another question:

If you ask a similar question at a later time will you get a more accurate answer based on that time due to how things in the universe have changed since you last asked?

For example, say in January you ask "should I go on vacation in May?" and it says yes. Then in April, you ask "should I go on vacation next month?" and you get an answer suggesting that something bad might happen if you go. Could this be because some events took place that would have an effect on the outcome? Or would the I Ching have known about those ahead of time the first time you asked?

I asked a few more questions relating to my situation and got some interesting answers that essentially fly in the face of relationship psychology. Very interesting.

Thanks for all the replies in this thread. What a nice community!

You probably won't get a more "accurate" answer but just another answer confirming the first answer.

I don't see any harm at all about asking several or even more questions relating to the same subject over a period of time, most likely your new answers will just add some more depth and some different perspectives to your original reading, so up to you what you do.