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.........I already touched on this with lines as story. You know that line 1 is the beginning, line 6 is the end, and this basic idea applies to every hexagram. But line positions correspond not only to chapters in a story, but also to the layers of a psyche, and the different roles and relationships in a group of people.....................
Multiple moving lines could be telling a story, starting at the lower lines and travelling up through the hexagram: ‘when you reach this point, then…‘
Hi moss elkAnd, just to mention that when you get 6 changing lines (and even less), the lines can become insignificant.
Just look at 1.1.2.3.4.5.6 (2)
The dire warnings in lines 1 & 6 do not apply, and are replaced by:
Observe a group of dragons without a leader, Promising
Hi moss elk
Are you being specific to hex 1 and 2 or are you suggesting that in a consultation of 6 changing lines in any hexagram it means to put more emphasis on the hexagram rather than what the lines say.
No, I do not believe that at all.the more things will tend towards coming off the rails?
The 'headlessness' in 1.7 refers specifically to the absence of a leader. (or head honcho)Is the headlessness of Hex 1 valid in other 6 line changing scenarios and is it always good fortune ?
Mm. Should we imagine that there is an unwritten '6 lines changing' line for every hexagram and that it would say something different from the sum total of the 6 line texts?
What occurs in 1.7 and 2.7 is the key to understanding multi-line readings for any hex,
not exclusive to 1 and 2.
(our book is incomplete)
Start with the understanding thar each specific individual line text is a marriage of the meanings of received hex A and related hex B.
(It is very easy to see with some lines)
Yes I can see that.The 'headlessness' in 1.7 refers specifically to the absence of a leader. (or head honcho)
No, it wouldn't be good fortune for every six line reading.
So, what I offer is that the 'sentence thingy' we do is more useful with many change lines, than spending hours trying to identify each lines signifigance, because some lines will become entirely insignifigant
(as with the example of 1.7)
and you'll be chasing phantoms.
I've never heard of this - what are super-lines and what's a Forest of Changes? Is there something I can read? Thanks!Super-lines as in the Forest of Changes
site:www.onlineclarity.co.uk "forest of changes"
I have published my translation of the Han Dynasty expansion of the Yi Jing called the Forest of Changes (Jiao Shi Yi Lin) ...
I think we should imagine this.Mm. Should we imagine that there is an unwritten '6 lines changing' line for every hexagram and that it would say something different from the sum total of the 6 line texts?
My so-far most clear 5-line reading: was worried about cat, asked Yi, got 1.1.2.3.4.6 to 8. Missing line 1.5 is about seeing the great person - concluded it wasn't necessary to go to the vet right then. The other 5 lines seemed to be things I should watch for, keep an eye on, stuff like that. This ended up working out - cat was fine. (I suppose another angle might've been that if we'd gone to the vet, she might not have been able to do much. You know how that works, even with people? "Hm," says doctor. "Hm. Let's keep an eye on it!")Somewhere I've seen, I think, that if you have 5 changing lines read the one unchanging line for 'best advice'. I kind of pooh-poohed this in the past, but can see some substance in it after doing this exercise.
That fits sadly well with my most memorable and very unfortunate 15.3 reading (you're talking about 15.1.2.4.5.6 with line 3 missing, and I got 15.3 to 2, but since mine was a 15.3 failure it's close, in a double-negative sort of way). Summary without giving Google any detail since this is the public forum (sorry - that's exasperating but the real story is pretty identifiable and I'm paranoid): I had good intentions with an endeavor but not nearly enough persistence and there was a very bad outcome.The only line 'missing' from the change is line 3 that talks of not only working at the character improvements but, most importantly, seeing it through to the end. This sense of ' seeing it through to the end' is lacking so 'Words alone accomplish nothing.'
So there is a whole bunch of potential being raised in this time of 'dynamic humility' but it's not quite been brought through to it's 'fullness'. The receptiveness in the yang of line 3 has not been switched on.
Here you were Creating through Union ( 'unified creation') and you were finding the solution without needing any more help of the big man. The dragon didn't need to fly any higher, so to speak, and you would not have gained much through become any more receptive here. Engaging with a a 'receptive dynamism' ( 6 lines changing) would not improve the outcome - you had been receptive to the things that mattered i.e. " to things I should watch for, keep an eye on, stuff like that. This ended up working out - cat was fine".My so-far most clear 5-line reading: was worried about cat, asked Yi, got 1.1.2.3.4.6 to 8. Missing line 1.5 is about seeing the great person - concluded it wasn't necessary to go to the vet right then. The other 5 lines seemed to be things I should watch for, keep an eye on, stuff like that. This ended up working out - cat was fine. (I suppose another angle might've been that if we'd gone to the vet, she might not have been able to do much. You know how that works, even with people? "Hm," says doctor. "Hm. Let's keep an eye on it!")
So 1.5 was important advice, but in a "what not to do / what's not needed" sort of way. The other lines were also advice, what I should do. (Of course this is only one example, mileage may vary.)
15 - 1 (15.1.2.4.5.6 to 1) | 15 - 2 (15.3 to 2) |
Wanting to speak but the words don’t come, Secret whispering in the dark. Many words and few actions, Words alone accomplish nothing. | The North Star is at the core of the Purple Palace, By clothing and cap establishing the central. By using benevolence to establish virtuous power, Great are the repeated blessings. If you use a lead knife to cut through jade, The capable will not be able to accomplish anything. |
So (edit) an unreceived line was important advice, but in a "what not to do / what's not needed" sort of way.
That's what I wanted to explore with my musings. Did it hang together? ....... and on the sample size of 2 that I explored above it makes some sense. Only a few hundred more to check out.I just want to say again that I can't speak for the accuracy of the Forest of Changes,
just wanted to point it out its existence.
We'll patiently wait for your report.
Mikey,
I think I may have put an example experience of 1.7 in wikiwing, and the warnings in lines 1 & 6 did not apply, it was an entirely 'good fortune' type experience. the person who lived through it observed a group of dragons without a leader and decided to become their leader. (he also gained notoriety in his field and thereby increased his income tenfold. )
@Moss - can you add any insights here?
See that 1.7 is not speaking on THE DRAGON but about a Cloud of Dragons maybe without a HEAD / LEADER, it connects with the image of an army without officials and without a General. Only a group of SOLDIERS.... I was looking at 1.7 and comparing with the verse in the Forest ( Amazon Look Inside was useful here )
1.7 : A flock of dragons appears without heads. Good fortune.
The situation is DISASTROUS and troblesome: it affects not only the colective of SOLDIERS but also all the PEOPLE of the COUNTRY. A grupal point of view.1>2: Courting disasters and inviting trouble
Fury descends on our country like poisonous stingers
Now comes the individual point of view, that of a SOLDIER FIGHTING RESTLESSLY, in a battle with NO MERCY.My arms and legs hurt
I cannot sleep
I can see a connection in the first line to the Icarus moment warned of in Hex 1 line 6 and the 'strengthen without pause' in the Image with ' I cannot sleep'. Perhaps, 'Fury descends on our country like poisonous stingers' is about the focus needed to be creatively inspired in a positive way to overcome the challanging nature of the time and produce order from chaos and peace from turmoil - or any other similar manifestations of 'fury'. Not clear for me why 'My arms and legs hurt ' in this little ditty.
The happy end of 1.7 does not lie in the lack of head (1) but in the achievement of last objectives, the welfare of the people.Siimilarly, I expected a closer correspondence between the verse and the flock of headless dragons. This is a connection I have yet to see. @Moss - can you add any insights here? Or does anyone else have any thoughts here?
Meanwhile I streghten myself for looking at the Yi Lin, an almost literal translation of 1.7 and 2.7. Line 1.7 is pretty short, 2.7 too short:... I wonder what did Chris meant by «courting», maybe we need to check the chinese texts ...
The 卜 pu3 component was added to the 貝 bei4, short for cauldron 鼎 dǐng3 in bronze script, passing to seal and modern script.
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