11.4.6>14 will it happen in 2011?

[willowfox]

What path should I follow with my dad with regards of this situation?
11.2>36

Be discrete in your handling of the situation, do not develop a heavy handed approach, act like a private investigator so as not to step on his toes.

 

[owl_]

Hi,

So, the IC's advice is for me to help my father in this situation but I've got to do so in a discreet way. This is not so easy as I leave far from him and don't get to know his life's details. We do speak often but being a private man he doesn't tell me much.

I've now asked:

Given all the circumstances of this situation, how should I go about this?
30.3.6>51

What can I do (discreetly) to help him open his eyes?
11.5>5

What will resolve this conflict?
53.4>33

How can I bring about the resolution of this problem?
5.3.4>58

By doing what?
39

When in time will I need to intervene?
46.1.2>36

How should I prepare?
25.5>21

Your insights are very welcome.

Many thanks :bows:

 

[willowfox]

Given all the circumstances of this situation, how should I go about this?
30.3.6>51

I don't know how old he is but an offer of help because he is getting older and needs to get his "papers" in order perhaps. He's your father,so you should know how to softly approach him, but I would presume he is indeed thinking of old age and death.

What can I do (discreetly) to help him open his eyes?
11.5>5

By servicing faithfully, you will win his trust.


More later.

 

[owl_]

Given all the circumstances of this situation, how should I go about this?
30.3.6>51

I don't know how old he is but an offer of help because he is getting older and needs to get his "papers" in order perhaps. He's your father,so you should know how to softly approach him, but I would presume he is indeed thinking of old age and death.

What can I do (discreetly) to help him open his eyes?
11.5>5

By servicing faithfully, you will win his trust.


More later.

Thanks Willowfox. Yes he has been sorting his papers and I've been helping when needed and will continue to do so whenever he needs me in the future. Can you see a link from these answers with the previous posts regarding this issue? (The sleepless nights with regards of the woman he has a relationship with which can 'devour' him if he is not cautious and my role in helping him with this particular situation?).

Please, any insights on the other answers would be very welcome, I'm repeating them here:
What will resolve this conflict?
53.4>33

How can I bring about the resolution of this problem?
5.3.4>58

By doing what?
39

When in time will I need to intervene?
46.1.2>36

How should I prepare?
25.5>21

Many thanks

 

[willowfox]

What will resolve this conflict?
53.4>33

****What will resolve it is to find a way out of it, a place of safety, therefore keep the "demons" at bay.

How can I bring about the resolution of this problem?
5.3.4>58

****Draw out the enemy, expose them.

By doing what?
39

By setting up obstacles, making it difficult for the person to cheat, in that way the person will take greater chances and in doing so expose their guilt.

When in time will I need to intervene?
46.1.2>36

Now,

How should I prepare?
25.5>21

First by observing. The justice comes later.

 

[Trojina]

Thanks Willowfox. Yes he has been sorting his papers and I've been helping when needed and will continue to do so whenever he needs me in the future. Can you see a link from these answers with the previous posts regarding this issue? (The sleepless nights with regards of the woman he has a relationship with which can 'devour' him if he is not cautious and my role in helping him with this particular situation?).
Please, any insights on the other answers would be very welcome, I'm repeating them here:
What will resolve this conflict?
53.4>33

How can I bring about the resolution of this problem?
5.3.4>58

By doing what?
39

When in time will I need to intervene?
46.1.2>36

How should I prepare?
25.5>21

Many thanks

Do you have any evidence, I mean real evidence that this woman is going to 'devour him' or cause him sleepless nights ? Or that she is guilty of anything in any way ?

If not this line of questioning borders on the ridiculous as you are planning on intervening in your fathers personal life on the basis of... nothing...

Thats my insight...

 

[owl_]

Many thanks Willow

What will resolve this conflict?
53.4>33

****What will resolve it is to find a way out of it, a place of safety, therefore keep the "demons" at bay.

How can I bring about the resolution of this problem?
5.3.4>58

****Draw out the enemy, expose them.

By doing what?
39

By setting up obstacles, making it difficult for the person to cheat, in that way the person will take greater chances and in doing so expose their guilt.

When in time will I need to intervene?
46.1.2>36

Now,

How should I prepare?
25.5>21

First by observing. The justice comes later.

Based on this, I now asked the IC:

As I live far away from my father and the 'enemy', how can I in this situation, set obstacles to expose the enemy?
34

What kind of obstacles should I set up?
3.1>8

Many thanks :bows:

 

[Trojina]

Many thanks Willow



Based on this, I now asked the IC:

As I live far away from my father and the 'enemy', how can I in this situation, set obstacles to expose the enemy?
34

What kind of obstacles should I set up?
3.1>8

Many thanks :bows:

As i said in my last post do you have an 'enemy' at all ? Do you know that ? What kind of 'obstacles' might you think approprate to put against a woman found 'guilty' (i don't know how..or what the charge is but seems shes found guilty You are going beyond ridiculous and almost into law breaking territory now.....and this is all because you believe what someone tells you the I Ching means, not what your father says

If you think she is a criminal call the police ! A line of questioning where you try to figure how to cause obstacles to someone whom you believe without good reason to be guilty of some deception I think is taking you well and truly down the garden path. Possibly with harmful consequences if you actually plan to go off and set up these 'obstacles'



I'm really going to be intrigued as to what these obstacles that you are going to set up will turn out to be.

Trip wire ?

Hijack ?

Hitman ?

 

[owl_]

Trojan,

I am afraid I am the one who decides which interpretations are correct with respect to MY personal situation and I don't need to explain why.

Please, don't get personal or abusive as this is not the place for you to vent your frustrations.

Chill out and remember this site is for people to get insight into the IC and the answers it gives TO THEM with regards of the circumstances of THEIR LIVES.

Any interventions about the IC's answers are very welcome, otherwise, please abstain from giving me your opinion, I'm not interested.

Love and peace

 

[meng]

Owl,

Let me offer to you my impression, especially regarding your first two readings.

It sounds to me as though your father is keeping himself well occupied, possibly to the point of blocking or numbing him to others, such as yourself at this time. However, and I could be wrong, I don't get the feeling that what he's doing is bad for him, and that something or someone who inspires him (online girlfriend?) may in fact boost his life forces, even if he does lose a little sleep over it.

I personally see nothing alarming going on here, other than the old feller's dragon still wakes up early in the morning. Take it from this old feller, that's not a bad thing. *chortle*

 

[Trojina]

However, what's the point of the "Shared Readings" space in this forum if other's input shouldn't be taken into consideration?

...I suppose it is a matter of getting used to read it and learn from it but to learn we do need other's help don't we? That's why onlineclarity exists in the first place, or am I wrong?

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Trojan,

I am afraid I am the one who decides which interpretations are correct with respect to MY personal situation and I don't need to explain why.

Please, don't get personal or abusive as this is not the place for you to vent your frustrations.

Chill out and remember this site is for people to get insight into the IC and the answers it gives TO THEM with regards of the circumstances of THEIR LIVES.

Any interventions about the IC's answers are very welcome, otherwise, please abstain from giving me your opinion, I'm not interested.

Love and peace

In light of what you said earlier anyone trying to 'help' you might point out what a crazy route of questioning this is...leading you totally astray.

My post wasn't abusive it was honest..but you don't want that.

And my post was an intervention about the ICs answers ! Can't you see that ! Obviously not...

You think this is getting 'insight in to the I Ching' ? of course it isn't...all your questions are based on rapid fire answers of previous questions that could have meant any number of things and you just took them all at face value asking further misguided questions based on random answers....till you are now planning obstacles to put in the 'guilty' womans way

This is not an effective way to consult the I Ching.




However I'll leave you in peace if you really want to believe what you are doing is an effective way to consult the I Ching you should be free to continue in this delusion unassailed (apparently)

 

[meng]

PS: I tend to see 11.6 as something you are feeling as a result of what appears as his indifference to you. No idea if this is accurate, just an impression.

 

[Trojina]

PS: I tend to see 11.6 as something you are feeling as a result of what appears as his indifference to you. No idea if this is accurate, just an impression.

Thats a very interesting association to 11.6. (I kept getting 11.6 in connection with someone , and i just couldn't figure it....but as a reaction to indifference it would have been very apt for me anyway. )

 

[owl_]

However I'll leave you in peace if you really want to believe what you are doing is an effective way to consult the I Ching you should be free to continue in this delusion unassailed (apparently)

It is very funny that you call me deluded. I've already explained more than once in this thread that the insights I'm getting from Willowfox so far are spot on the REALITY of the situation.

You seem to ignore MY words and feel free to address me in a very partronizing and agressive way. It is easy for anyone to see just by the way you express yourself who is the deluded one here.

It is a pity people use forums like this to give free reign to their egos.

Don't bother answering to this post, from now on I won't be replying to your posts and I wished I could block you from my thread as you seem to be an attention seeker who needs to hijack a thread to call attention to yourself.

YES TROJAN, DO LEAVE ME IN PEACE. GOODBYE!

 

[owl_]

Dear Meng,

Many thanks for your insights :bows:

PS: I tend to see 11.6 as something you are feeling as a result of what appears as his indifference to you. No idea if this is accurate, just an impression.

Here this is not the case, he is not indiferent, just busy due to current circumstances and reserved about his personal life.

It is good to know this other point of view however, as it might apply in a different circumstance...

 

[hilary]

Thank you, Trojan and Meng, for posting and leavening the mix a bit. You already know how I feel about this line of questioning and its basis - needn't go over that again.

Owl, you've said previously in this thread that because your father is a very private man, you don't know anything much about his relationship; you've only met his partner a couple of times and don't know her. Yet now you are perfectly sure you know "the REALITY of the situation": that this woman he has been with for ten years and presumably loves deeply is 'the enemy', a 'cancer' to be cut out, a threat, a deceiver to be exposed, and so on. How can this have happened, that you have become so sure?

A thought...

There are many, many folk stories about wicked stepmothers, especially younger stepmothers, who insinuate themselves into an innocent and oblivious father's good graces so that he allows harm to come to his daughter. These deep-rooted folk stories have great power - maybe we're all already pre-programmed to believe in them by default. (How many women believe absolutely in Prince Charming? Or Beauty's power to transform the Beast?) You know next to nothing about your father's relationship; you wish you were in closer contact with him and knew more... and this old, old story fills that gap and carries you along. Of course it grips you and convinces you and feels 'right' and real: this is its power.

The danger, as I said before, is the damage you could do by pursuing this: to your father's happiness in his relationship, or to your own relationship with him, or both.

 

[lucia]

perdona tios pero hijo d puta es la unica k sale la boca!

You seem to ignore MY words and feel free to address me in a very partronizing and agressive way. It is easy for anyone to see just by the way you express yourself who is the deluded one here.

Far from it. I think Trojan was treating you as an intelligent human being and you are very lucky to get her input on your thread - she is an excellent and well informed reader. I don't see your input in any way did I miss it? What is your view of the lines how have YOU interpreted them? Or are you just into the "fortune cookie" version of the I Ching?

What I find patronising is the way you think you know better than your father as to how to run his life. I loathe that attitude to elderly people as if age blunts the brain and turns people into babies dios mio!

Even alzheimers doesn't warrant that mentality.

I thought this forum was a place to learn and understand not to stick a peseta into the machine and wait while it spits out a guaranteed genuine true answer.

My mother is 90 years old and she just bought a laptop and is online with a vengeance only in the most screwed up anglo-american cultures do we disrespect age so much.

It's that wretched I Puh translation again - it should be banned I reckon.

Lucia

 

[willowfox]

perdona dios pero hijo d puta es la unica k sale la boca!

"God forgives but son of a bitch is the only curse that you can say."

Excuse me but who the hell is that little bit of **** aimed at?

Perhaps I should start following your example by quoting a few rude Chinese, Laos or Thai phrases?

 

[willowfox]

"Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them?"

Obviously we are reaching another critical point in history folks, and suddenly "lucia" seems to be taking the lead with her silly remarks about a certain translation.

Lucia, if you want to say something to me then say it, stop with the beating around the bush with your asinine remarks. Afterall, this site is called clarity for a reason.

 

[owl_]

Owl, you've said previously in this thread that because your father is a very private man, you don't know anything much about his relationship; you've only met his partner a couple of times and don't know her. Yet now you are perfectly sure you know "the REALITY of the situation": that this woman he has been with for ten years and presumably loves deeply is 'the enemy', a 'cancer' to be cut out, a threat, a deceiver to be exposed, and so on. How can this have happened, that you have become so sure?

I can see you misunderstood what I've said. The fact that my father is a private man and that I've seen this woman a couple of times doesn't mean that I know nothing about his life and his life with her at all. I know enough and I've seen enough to say the answers I was getting from Willowfox were spot on. Actually not only me but other members of the family who do have more contact with him have the same concerns as I have. There's so much of my life that I want to disclose in a forum and I believe I should be respected when I say this is the REALITY of the situation without beeing constantly questioned about it.

 

[owl_]

There are many, many folk stories about wicked stepmothers, especially younger stepmothers, who insinuate themselves into an innocent and oblivious father's good graces so that he allows harm to come to his daughter. These deep-rooted folk stories have great power - maybe we're all already pre-programmed to believe in them by default. (How many women believe absolutely in Prince Charming? Or Beauty's power to transform the Beast?) You know next to nothing about your father's relationship; you wish you were in closer contact with him and knew more... and this old, old story fills that gap and carries you along. Of course it grips you and convinces you and feels 'right' and real: this is its power.

With all the respects, I think you need to stop watching soap operas...

 

[owl_]

The danger, as I said before, is the damage you could do by pursuing this: to your father's happiness in his relationship, or to your own relationship with him, or both.

What I find patronising is the way you think you know better than your father as to how to run his life. I loathe that attitude to elderly people as if age blunts the brain and turns people into babies dios mio!

Hilary and Lucia,

Never a thought of ruining my father's life or happiness in his relationship crossed my mind. My father is free to do what he likes as he has done so far and will continue doing but that doesn't mean that no one should care if he is being manipulated and taken advantage of. There's nothing I can do if by whatever reason he chooses not to see what everyone sees, but without wrecking anyone's life I just want my love, support and awareness to be present in his life and intervene sweetly if the situation so requires.

 

[hilary]

Hm, well, I can't do more than say these things. I haven't watched any soap operas in over 20 years, when it was necessary to understand what people at school were talking about! However, I do remember how, back then, the character of one somewhat stereotypical 'villain' had to be softened because people were accosting the poor actress in the street and shouting at her. More story-power.

Yes, I respect you greatly (of course no-one is saying you want to hurt your father); I also respect your father and his partner. And I respect the I Ching.

Oh, and Lucia, much as it bugs me to say this , Willowfox is right: if you have issues with her, the way to tackle this is directly and in 'Moderation'. She's responding to Owl quietly and politely, and also responding very politely to the people who join the thread and disagree with her readings. She isn't breaking any rules.

 

[edge]

A quick observation:
Owl, I don't think Trojan was being abusive (either intentionally or unintentionally), she is a talented and thoughtful contributor to this forum and tends to say things how she sees them. If that doesn't fit with your frame of reference, or you don't agree, fine but I see little reason to be so defensive.
Secondly, I just counted your readings, and there are 28!!!!! 28 readings on one subject!!! I think its impossible to get any clarity when you just keep throwing over and over, with no pause for breath or contemplation. This is part of what I think Trojan and Hilary were trying to say, and not what you wanted to hear. Many of your questions seem to cover similar ground, thus increasing the confusion. This is why I haven't ventured to comment, because I wouldn't know where to start in the maze you have created for yourself.
The I Ching isn't a magic 8 ball, and in my experience works best as a guide for contemplation and understanding of a situation, which is impossible with this volume of readings on a single subject. You may disagree, but you are also asking for help, so I'm assuming you aren't feeling much clarity here either. I say step away from the coins and engage with the world instead, flooding your mind with so many different readings will not take the uncertainty away or give you a clear roadmap for what to do next, if that were the case life would be a lot easier for all of us!!
Good luck with this, I hope things start to get clearer and calmer for you soon,
E

 

[hilary]

Owl made a post with a lot of personal comments and suggestions for how the forum should be run. That belongs in 'Moderation', so I moved it: here it is.

Parts of some other posts here do, too, but the personal stuff is mixed in with comments more relevant to the thread. Please make the division now: Owl's situation and readings here (it might be good to go back to the original one or two); everything else, there:
http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=9950

 

[owl_]

Secondly, I just counted your readings, and there are 28!!!!! 28 readings on one subject!!! I think its impossible to get any clarity when you just keep throwing over and over, with no pause for breath or contemplation. This is part of what I think Trojan and Hilary were trying to say, and not what you wanted to hear. Many of your questions seem to cover similar ground, thus increasing the confusion. This is why I haven't ventured to comment, because I wouldn't know where to start in the maze you have created for yourself.

Hi Edge,

I've engaged in a conversation with the IC, which took 28 questions so far. They were 28 different questions in a conversation...not 28 readings on one subject as you are trying to point out.

 

[arabella]

In personal experience, it would seem the one clear criteria for using the IChing to best advantage is calm. The subtlety of tuning in to the universal hum requires stillness within. Whether too rapid, forced, or heated, the waves of meaning will be lost when we lose our composure. This would appear to be the case also in bringing enquiry to this forum. Otherwise the influence is abandoned and it is just us with verbal boxing gloves, which has only one meaning.

 

[owl_]

A quick observation:
You may disagree, but you are also asking for help, so I'm assuming you aren't feeling much clarity here either. I say step away from the coins and engage with the world instead, flooding your mind with so many different readings will not take the uncertainty away or give you a clear roadmap for what to do next, if that were the case life would be a lot easier for all of us!!
Good luck with this, I hope things start to get clearer and calmer for you soon,
E

Yes, you are right I do disagree, I am and have been finding clarity in the very clear insights to the answers the IC has given me so far, despite the many interventions of people trying to convince me I'm not.

Just to give YOU some clarity, I'm very calm, I'm not glued to the coins and I am very engaged with the world.

And in case you didn't know, you are the one responsible for making your life easier and neither you nor anyone else is forced to enter this thread. If you do, despite not liking what you see, maybe you are the one who needs to engage with the world?

Just a thought...

 

[owl_]

OK to go back were this thread was meant to be I'll repeat my last two questions:

As I live far away from my father and the 'enemy', how can I in this situation, set obstacles to expose the enemy?
34

What kind of obstacles should I set up?
3.1>8

Many thanks :bows:

 

[edge]

Owl, I think you are rude, thoughtless and defensive, and I was trying to help. I won't bother again. Btw don't bother replying, I won't be reading any more of your threads.
E