11.4.6>14 will it happen in 2011?

[arabella]

Dear Owl, I think it says to do what is positive, which setting a "trap" however you imagine that to happen, will not be positive. Use your real power. Hexagram 3 refers to the spirit of life, the spark of reality and material existence. Only the positive has power in the material world. Evil has no power, it is merely the absence of good. If you do something positive, you have already trumped any influence you may view as evil.

I think Hexagram 8 says to join in, but in a way that the IChing can advocate for, which is in union with the spirit of what is helpful. You can merely react and send emotions flying in all directions, what you need is a plan for the longterm based on who you want to be in the world, which could be someone who brings the best potential from the void for the benefit and illumination of all.

 

[willowfox]

OK to go back were this thread was meant to be I'll repeat my last two questions:

As I live far away from my father and the 'enemy', how can I in this situation, set obstacles to expose the enemy?
34

What kind of obstacles should I set up?
3.1>8

Is it safe to come out now and continue?


Hex 34 is also a warning to be very careful how you go about this, as more will be gained through using stealth methods, underground techniques as a face to face to face confrontation will not work. Hex 34 is all about tact and discretion, so much thought needs to be put into any move that you will make, you will be courting the "enemy", therefore you will catch a whole heap of flies with honey but none with vinegar.

Line 3.1 suggests that you will need help in this enterprise.

 

[arabella]

Yes, agreeing with Willow Fox, help is certainly suggested and I'm wondering if there is anybody to consult who is physically closer to the situation and, in a friendly non-biased way, would enlighten you how you can best become an influence for the better? Not sure exactly how that works in this case, but maybe rings some bells for you.

 

[Trojina]

Is it safe to come out now and continue?


Hex 34 is also a warning to be very careful how you go about this, as more will be gained through using stealth methods, underground techniques as a face to face to face confrontation will not work. Hex 34 is all about tact and discretion, so much thought needs to be put into any move that you will make, you will be courting the "enemy", therefore you will catch a whole heap of flies with honey but none with vinegar.

Line 3.1 suggests that you will need help in this enterprise.

it was never not safe...and always okay to give alternative views about this line of questioning...some choose to see alternative views as attacks and thats for moderation. I hope also it is safe for me to come out and ask you how you come to the conclusions you do from 3.1 &34

I find it hard to see 34 means 'using stealth methods' ? I thought 34 was more to do with, and I quote Wilhelm in the Image, "Thus the superior man does not tread upon paths
That do not accord with the established order" and you use Wilhelm don't you ?

And you think 3.1 indicates here that Owl should use 'helpers' in employing these 'stealth methods' ?


It all sounds rather chilling ? Are you yourself convinced that this woman Owls father has been with for 10 years is up to no good and must be exposed in her wrong doing ? Do you have any doubts..or are you certain of this as a fact ?

I assume you must be very certain otherwise you would not be encouraging him/her to use "stealth methods, undergound techniques'. Wondering what you mean by these exactly ? It would not seem a great idea to incite someone to use these 'methods' without a)being sure of the facts b)taking some responsibility for the consequences even if only within your own mind. Even if you will never meet the person you advise, they may be on another continent, does not mean you don't impact on them.

We can't worry about every little thing we say in a reading or how it may impact on someone of course...but here you are advocating a course of action that is potentially injurous.

What is it about 34 and 3.1 that lead you to such utter certainty here ?

 

[hilary]

Mind you, Willowfox is quite right that 34 doesn't encourage a face-to-face, 'horns lowered' confrontation.

In the most general terms, I think Hexagram 34 is asking: OK, you have loads of energy, now how will you use this? Because just being full of energy and strength is not enough. Maybe you are too personally involved and too full of drive to step back and get an overview (34 is the opposite of 20, Seeing) - OK, so in that case you will need guidelines. And this is where the Image comes in.

If you do want to see this woman as 'the enemy', then the Image is still the place to look for advice:

'Thunder dwells above heaven. Great Vigour.
A noble one treads no path that is without ritual.'

It's partly about doing what's right and following the rules, but more than that it's about doing what works because it's in harmony with the true nature of things. A 'ritual' is literally (if you look at the Chinese character) a way to handle something sacred, like making an offering on the altar. You are dealing with huge, powerful, sacred things - the loving relationship between father and daughter, and between a man and his partner. So what would be the 'ritual' for handling such things? Stealth and entrapment? Something else? You decide.

 

[arabella]

Hexagram 34, Great Power means several additional things to me. One: you will get what you invest with power. If you want meaning, invest meaning; if you want dignity, invest that; if you want respect, invest with respect. That trite saying: "What goes around comes around" goes well with hexagram 34.
The sort of "help" I was visualising was somebody who would give a new starting point to this situation, since hexagram 3 is all about new beginnings and an attitude/virtue/ideal that can sprout through anything. Seeds that grow and shatter rock. If you have Great Power and the power of generation that can split rock, you have all the strength you need, but what about the proper information for using that strength? This seems to be the short suit, because you aren't on the spot, you aren't part of the relationship in question. Nobody knows for sure what it's like being in a relationship with someone else's partner, even if you know one or both of those involved quite well. Maybe the help needed is prayer, contemplation, trying to sustain an open mind? Or it may be a person who can bring that breath of inspiration that cuts through embedded attitudes and generates a new beginning? What you cast signals tremendous possibility, but possiblity you don't dare squander in anger.

 

[willowfox]

If you do want to see this woman as 'the enemy', then the Image is still the place to look for advice: (Hex 34)


A superior person does not thread upon paths that do not accord with the established order.

This is right, if owl were to rush in and accuse the person face to face, then all hell would break lose and owl's mission would most likely fail.

Therefore, one uses "stealth" methods, one observes the movements and actions of the "enemy" but without engaging that enemy, one collects evidence of wrong doing before making the final move to arrest the suspect.

Once 0wl has all the necessary evidence then he can show his father or whoever, and then the person can be safely discredited.

One cannot make a mistake using this method as one collects all the necessary evidence before making the story known, so if the person is "truly" innocent, then no harm done, but on the otherhand, if the person is guilty, then you got them.

Most stores who suspect a person is stealing the "goods" just watch and wait for that person to walk out the shop before nabbing them, once over the threshold, guilty as charged.