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Hello all :bows:
wondering if someone would care to comment on this reading I just gotten today, cos my mind is racing at the moment and it is very hard not to get distracted at the moment. What does YI recommend I do with my relationship with X? 11.1,2,4 into 62

All I can say is that I am very disappointed with things, not with the amount of feelings shared, but with unabilty to communicate in an rational grown up kind of way. Some of it has to do with health issues, some with frustrations that come with distance.
We cannot meet anytime soon, perhaps that is why hex 62 comes into picture.

I am very exhausted with the hole thing but seems from all of the readings I have gotten that it is just a beginning of things and yet I find myself thinking that the most reasonable thing would be to get out.
Some outside insight would be appreciated. Thank you :bows:

Just asked the burning question in my mind: What are the real reasons for this (uneven) way of communicating from him? hex 11.6 into 26 Clearly he is doing something wrong here...no idea how to make the man change his way.
 
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Thank you for this and I have insisted on getting things clarified and really discussed all up but I was asked kindly and then angrily for some time alone (depression:eek:) while I was sitting and wallowing in that huge disappointment cloud and changing my feelings in this order: :eek: :mad: :rant: :eek: :hug: :footinmouth: today :duh: (that week is out now but I have lost the fate)

Sorry about that wedding dance, I have tried for your benefit :), really have :eek: but I am left without any idea here how to cope alone. (ok, YI offered 5.3 and 47 on clarifying my situation but getting out of the mud of my thoughts is to clarify so we are back in old hopeless circle again) :brickwall:
 

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Well, I did try to make my unsatisfaction known. I have insisted on talking and that resulted in another row, and I got completely cutt off :eek:
Just asked What will happen now (next) with my relationship with x? Hex 37 unchanged!!!!
Before this happened I got hex 42 unchanged for which stage this rellation is in?
Increase and The Family for things falling appart?

Can these positive hexagrams be saying something else when the situation is not evolving towards positive outcome? (Increase as an "explosion" perhaps? or 37 as recognition of my position in the scheme of things before anythng else:-S)
I just feel so terrible.:bag: any ideas?
 
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. . . any ideas?

I have lots of ideas. The guy isn't good for you. Not being able to talk is being treated like a child, and he doesn't respect your devotion. So get back into circulation and go out with friends.

hex 42 unchanged for which stage this relation is in?

I understand 42 as the response of the tortoise -- the sudden pop and appearance of a crack by which the spiritual state becomes knowable. Now you know his character. Surely you would not want to put up with such treatment for the rest of your life.

What will happen now (next) with my relationship with x?
Hex 37 unchanged!!!!


Your goal, I think, is to have a family. Your goal is unchanging, and you now have a chance to reaffirm it.
 
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Thank you, but things are not alwasy as they seem. I have to stay in most of the time, broke and a sick mother to take care of. So much on the circulation, friends and my nerves.
That man is not the easiest person in the world, but was trying very hard and persistant to win me over for months, and I know that he wants a serious commitment-just only on his terms and ideas, it seems.
His behaviour got altered due to medical reasons and it does not get better, he experiances too great ups and downs to be considered as usual for anybody. I also started to loose my nerves, so cannot deal with it the best anymore.
He seeked solice, I pushed and here we are. He just snapped, not the 1st time, but this may be for good for which I am sorry because I started to care (it has been months, after all and certainly not only bad times).

There is the matter of this letter I wrote, now not sure wether to send it- yi says 24.1,4 into 16..not sure i get it right, but there is an situation with an altered state of mind now, overly excited/angry and getting back on one`s track...1st line suggests it is not a big traspass (sending a letter, I suppose) but 3rd line I am not sure if understand...found different explanations for it..how do I get into these situations???
What did you mean Pocossin by my chance to reafirm my goal of 37? I don`t want a family, just an union, and he approached me with that desire.
 
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Should I send this letter?
24.1.4 > 16

24 implies a time of inaction: Merchants and strangers did not go about, and the ruler did not travel through the provinces. For line1 Hilary says, '. . . there is no need for bitterness or mourning over destinations not reached. Don't let your energy be caught in regrets; allow it to take root again in the field of real possibilities'. And for line 4, 'You wake up to your inner guidance and begin to act accordingly'. If your letter is purely apologetic, I'd say send it now. If you discuss issues in it, wait a day or two and carefully consider the tone. Often it isn't what is said but how it is said that counts.

What did you mean Pocossin by my chance to reafirm my goal of 37? I don`t want a family, just an union, and he approached me with that desire.

37 implies a lasting union.
 

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I stand a chance in reafirming the lasting union with him? Is that how you see it?
There never was an oltered feeling from him towards me, that is why I entered into this whole story.
The letter was selicited while ago, but since I did not get what I wanted, I did not feel like sending one.It is just recognizing existing problems and my new deepened feelings..but if someone wants to interpret my tone the wrong way all of the time..I made a pun about me beeing like a nagging wife and him just nodding, and THAt was too much...where is the sence of humour gone? He must be much worse offthan I could get it...
24.4 I think speaks of being true to one self`s vallues: "Persist on one`s principle or idea and do what is right."
http://www.iching123.com/24_text.htm i like this one, Hillary`s book was not in stores here yet, so thank you.
I did 2 more readings, but don`t want to push various readings here in one thread...where he really stands about me now is 45.2 into 47 (good thread here http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=565)
Poor man is exhosted from useless effort and feels the inner connection has wanished? I am a regullar men exhoster wahahaha, rubbish...can this be repleneshed or not? Hm...
 

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Dragona, if you friend has bipolar disorder, he could now be in a down phase and unable to respond to your letter.
 

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No, he is not bipolar, just not well and lost his nerves with me. I am also one of those supersensitive hurtfull types that suffer forever. (sent you a mail, thank you again pocossin)
 

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Whenever I've gotten 24.1.4<16 it has meant return from your enthusiasm about the idea you have in mind. Return from what you're thinking of doing and return to middle ground are the two lines, but when you read it together it is just to return from the direction you were about to go, it's not a good idea to pursue now.

And hx 37 unchanged can mean the need for mutual affection and support, for being yourself, for creating harmony in the household, be who you are and allow others to be who they are and to be conscious of creating mutual caring with those you live and work with. Be considerate and consistent in both words and action with those closest to you during challenging times and this will bring you closer as a family/unit/couple.

And 11.6<26 could mean he is dealing with some troubling losses/difficult times which will resolve themselves soon, but it's hard going when you lose things unexpectedly - we all need support around us to get back in balance again.

And I would think 11<62 means be at peace with lying low for the moment, not asking for too much now, not putting your own agenda forth, attending to small details of life, like eating healthy food, enough sleep, paying bills, regular stuff that you have to get done, but no big changes or grand plans for now. Be nice and don't be pushy or aggressive. Attending to the everyday details of life, being helpful and not getting into rows with those you are connected to in close ways.

I hope things are calming down for you this week :bows:
 

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Thank you so much, especially for taking the time to rewiew all readings...it takes me forever to do so.
The business of 11>62 would be nice and easy going thing to have, yes, but I needed to be heard on a few points in order to move on. I still think that an conversation is not that much to ask for.
I like your interpretations cos they are moderated, and yet say a lot.
I gathered that action of 24.1,4 >16 tossing you did not find favorable, so I asked what will be the reaction to my letter and got 53.1,6 >63. I don`t think I ever got hex 53 and hex 63 yes,in times of messups. First thought of it as a sad omen-gooses flying away, only feathers left...or does it speaks of gradual success?
Oh, if this was the ONLY problem of the week...
 

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11 peace earth over heaven
62 preponderance of the small thunder over mountain

be at peace and don't over look the small stuff

how can you find peace? within yourself first and then with him :bows:
 

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Thank you for yor efforts, but I won`t be at peace about this till I hear from him. So many problems in my life and this one just overfilling the cup.
Just the thing I was affraid of and tried to ressist, has happened here and I have no deffences. Thank you for this kind support again.
Gooses no one would comment on, I see...
 

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I think the 61 <58 reading speaks to your point about you needing to say what you needed to say and it's fine for you to do this, it was needed for your own happiness. I've found the 61.4 line can mean you may not align with someone else's pov, but it's helpful to say what your pov is, different points of view expand what's possible between people.

Did you send the letter?
I've gotten 53 >63 a few times and I have trouble with what it exactly means as the circumstances have been different each time for me, but it could mean a transition in your gradual progress and the need to keep going past this transition, to not sit on your laurels about it but keep moving along.
 

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Again, very true. I tried to be reasonable, but the man is on some kind of a auto-destructive pilot, it seems and I think I haven`t been given the whole picture of his situation, cos I am quite simpathetic but hm...:cool:
hex 47 unchanged got today and found an interesting thread here, about someone who is not well...That is why I cannot cool down, I need to understand a problem in order to make my peace with it and this is taking so much of my energy, suspicious it will return the same way.
I am also hurting a lot, perhaps I was not aware of the ammounth of frustration on the other side, but again....

Yes, the letter went but it is more like "poke" I am still "inside", you know..?:blush:

I was really low today so bothered YI again with the same wrong question of how chances are...26.3 into 41 and found a thread saying it is auspicious (LiSe, very wise :bows:) http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=3088

Please, tell me to stop..but at least, I am learning something, interesting how quite the same situations get simillar readings. Yet somehow, I still think that some hexagrams could be speaking to us more personally than others, like symbols in dreams...I think I get 54 when I am obsessing:footinmouth:
 

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Hi all :bows:
still nothing :brickwall:
Seemed right thing to ask what impact has my letter made? hex 32.2,3 into 16
Looks to me - none, past tense, I am moving on :cool:
This thread makes me a bit confused, pocossin reads it as auspicious for romatic outcomes http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=12445,
but to me it looks firm decision over all kindness, even.
Interesting enough, gotten exactly the same reading for asking what kind of a romantic partner X would be for me? It loked good an answer for that question but am I reading it right related to the question asked now? :rolleyes:
 
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Hi dragona,

I just got 32 <16 today for something about my pet.
Whenever I've gotten it, it means to continue with enthusiasm for what you asked about, that the Yi has knocked me gently saying - 'don't release your endurance on this, keep going, with enthusiasm.' In my case, it was about whether to continue with a specific diet and care I'm giving my pet.

If you got it for what kind of romantic partner would X be, I think it might mean he (and you) should continue with enthusiasm over the long haul.

Did you check in on him and see how he's doing with his medical and other issues? Perhaps 1.2 <13 is to put effort into being a friend/creating harmony, while 16.3 could be: don't wait for him, go ahead and put in a ring or note to him.

LR:bows:
 

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pocossin reads it as auspicious for romatic outcomes

Yes I did, Dracona. The casting may be the same, but a casting is not a reading. In making a reading I also consider situation and querent, and these factors make each reading unique.
 

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Hello, both:bows:
Yes I did, Dracona. The casting may be the same, but a casting is not a reading. In making a reading I also consider situation and querent, and these factors make each reading unique.
I agree with you, of course it depends on the question asked and that was my point-is it auspicious still because the question was on possible impact on someone else, that persons stand on the matter in question. If the person decided to take another path does this reading stays the same? :confused:
(Your english is much more refined and correct than mine.)

I just have this feeling of oddness...and non logical, unconsistant behaviour.
Even YI suggests here the excessiveness in character. The person in qiestion became very low in spirits, asked for time alone to sort depressiveness out in solice. At first kindly, then rudely.
It was kind of depression combined with high frustration, I think, feeling that I have now after that sent me over the edge, and I can tell you, it is not fun at all :duh:
I insisted on talking and it ended in a total shut down very angrily like. My sms got ignored twice, YI suggested to get helpers (3.1) so asked a friend of his if knows what is going on but gotten ignored :bag: so I think that pushing it further would not be prudent, even asked YI should I send a mail and it was not a good answer (58.5>54).:footinmouth: But I just can`t let it go.
At least your pet is in good hands LR :)

P.S. I have another reading to a silly question that cannot understand at all, just ask if interested :rolleyes: Too depressed to ask about other aspects of my life cos this is not really comfortable way of puting things out but I thank you sencerely for your help and support :bows:
 
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On the other hand...
tired of all this guessing games played with myself, intimidated by the number of wiewers for this thread and encouraged by LR's and my own thoughts of sending a short mail now that all spirits have settled a bit (I hope), I asked of an oppinion for sending a message today-hex 7.2,4,6 into 35
I don`t like my postion, being the one who is seeking organisation and settlement of the situation, but line 3 states that there is a valid reason to tacle the situation, tho line 4 speaks of relaxation, pulling back. Finally, line 6 may be talking about some kind of a finalization, settlement, decided by him (again, from the supirior postion :mad:). This all may lead to something-better, as indicated. Maybe. :bag:

There is just this one reading, now that I have your attention :mischief:
22.5 into 37 on how truly this breakup is wanted. I could never really grasp hex 22 other than it used to denote plesent but superficial communication.
Wondering how this explanation seems to you on 5th line:
"Working to improve your inner self may detract from your maintenance of outer appearances, and bring on the misunderstanding of others. But good fortune will be the eventual result."
 

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On the other hand...
tired of all this guessing games played with myself,
intimidated by the number of wiewers for this thread and encouraged by LR's and my own thoughts of sending a short mail now that all spirits have settled a bit (I hope), I asked of an oppinion for sending a message today-hex 7.2,4,6 into 35

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yup thats pretty much what this thread is. You are getting completely lost here IMO...you've asked so many questions they could mean anything...(and you've asked them about the same person on a number of threads (?))

Look at the signals he's giving you and stop relying on the readings. Its about all you can do now...otherwise at this stage it is very much indeed "guessing games played with myself"


It doesn't or shouldn't matter when you send a message. Things must be pretty distant between you if you are worried to death about sending a message. The 24 reading said come back to yourself...what choice do you have ?


am assuming you have seen this http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=12642

if someone is leaving you guessing this much then they aren't showing much interest or comittment and consulting Yi won't change that...well it can be a salve I guess to help you in the transition but the problem is asking others here, involving them in the salve process, will only confuse you and actually hinder your healing over the matter if you do it too much.
 
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Yes, agreed...did not intend to go this far with it for sure.
At least, with YI it is a learning experiance. Wondered why I did not get "I am tired of your questions" before. This was a conversation between me and Yi, only public one.
Sometimes I feel that one reading have to come to pass or to understanding of it before another can get in. But I did not get lost - I got confirmed on things I knew before, at least. Constant positiveness made me ask more...
I still think intuition is the best adviser, YI only enhances and wideness the picture.
Anyway, the new situation for me intirely. And strange. Hilary should limit number of posts per thread perhaps. :blush:
 
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Wondering how this explanation seems to you on 5th line:
"Working to improve your inner self may detract from your maintenance of outer appearances, and bring on the misunderstanding of others. But good fortune will be the eventual result."

its just a commentary but whos commentary is it ? Not worth relying on commentarys they generally reflect the values of the writer (obviously) Its much better to work with the image, the words of the the actual I Ching which here is about having a small offering, roll of silk, that is acceptable even if you are embarrassed. Thats the actual I Ching...a commentary is just someones very limited take on it. There is no reason 22.5 should be about work on the 'inner self'...that limits it...it could be about anything under the sun
 

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Yes, agreed...did not intend to go this far with it for sure.
At least, with YI it is a learning experiance. Wondered why I did not get "I am tired of your questions" before. This was a conversation between me and Yi, only public one. Sometimes I feel that one reading have to come to pass or to understanding of it before another can get in.
Anyway, the new situation for me intirely. And strange. Hilary should limit number of posts per thread perhaps. :blush:

well the i Ching hasn't said 'I'm tired of your questions'... I mean does it get tired of questions ? The point is not the I Ching being tired but you can lose track of all meaning with lots of questions when you have a desired outcome especially.


if you feel you are reaching more understanding then why not carry on...I was just saying you've gone into the whole cycle of relationship question leading to another relationship question whilst not actually ever getting any clearer.

But maybe you feel you are getting clearer...I dunno, I was just trying to highlight it can actually make things harder for you emotionally if hopes are raised by one reading, maybe by what one person says, and then hopes dashed by another reading so you will be up and down emotionally whilst all the time he, the guy in question, is sending you clear signals that he isn't much good for you. You said yourself hes disapointed you...but 'good' readings will act like a salve on that disapointment making you feel temporarily better

There isn't anyone probably who hasn't used the I Ching this way...almost as a transitional 'tool' for getting over a break up...but theres just a danger when you invite others in they may confuse your process by sometimes giving strong reinforcement to your wishes and so on


But anyway I didn't wish to inhibit you I was just giving an opinion. I wouldn't want you to feel you couldn't continue just because of that :D


I'll be quiet now :D
 

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This is the link for the comment http://www.pathfinder.3rdmilieux.com/i-ching-tao-of-power-art-of-war-hexagram-7-leadership.html
I don`t know much about the author of the site other then this cuts pretty sharp in its interpretations.
That explanation of the line resonated with something I was told before on the matter in question, so wondered how would it get appraised here.

I would not waste my energy on the person if the situation was not real. The thing I am affraid is my own reaction, I am trying to be a better, more forgiving person. In this case, the person is acting opposite from my way, but I feel the same problems almost that we have. Absurd situation-no need for more animosity in this world, imo.
You are very level headed, I am very sensitive, but right is right and I anderstand your point completely.
 
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Hi, I'm late in coming, but I'd like to take a shot at your reading on the opening post.

11 Tai/Harmony -- This hexagram is mostly about harmony of things. This is also rather reminds of good times and how it is to be taken in.

line 1 -- Some things on the surface seems easy/insignificant, but underneath is entangled. This reminds us of the nature of harmony. Sometimes things look nice on the outside but on the inside is more complicated. Pulling this one of this out will reveal how entangled things really are.

line 2 -- This talks about bearing with the uncultivated. Probably the childish ones, or the carefree ones, or something of that nature. Sometimes we play along with them, and have all the cheer, but sometimes this doesn't give much satisfaction that one has to move forward without totally severing ties with them. This is about considering the distant and those near to us, and reminds us to be open and stay free from self-centered consideration. This seems about friendliness, neutrality, or openness with respect to relations.

line 4 -- This somehow reminds us that we can get too confident sometimes with our relations, and being so dependent on what they do to inspire us into action. This shows us that without their confidence or inspired actions, we become restless, uncertain, or flutter around. This also tells us how we can sometimes look like in the eyes of our friends or close relations.


So, I would say,

"Some things underneath, hidden from all the seemingly weak things are so wound up, that I must take care when rooting things out. They may seem insignificant, but are more complicated beneath. And that I must be more open, and consider other people. I should also try and not be too dependent, and see if I can give something sincere and loving instead."
 
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Thank you, that was very profound...I have so much to learn and to try to grasp all that Yi has to offer... Would like to know what literature/translations you use gnar.

And just came to mind...when you ask many questions on the same subject, should you ignore some castings and stick to the basic ones perhaps?
 
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Thank you, that was very profound...I have so much to learn and to try to grasp all that Yi has to offer... Would like to know what literature/translations you use gnar.

And just came to mind...when you ask many questions on the same subject, should you ignore some castings and stick to the basic ones perhaps?

with hindsight I have seen how the first answers one gets on an issue turn out to be the true ones...that is if you are in a situation where you are actually asking the same question from lots of different angles.

This led me to realise that what is said in hex 4 is actually how it is

It says in hex 4

"The young fool seeks me
At the first Oracle I inform him
If he asks 2 or 3 times it is importunity.
If he importunes I give him no information.
Perseverence furthers"


Wilhelm

Its only recently I've realised fully this is really meant and this is how it is.

People have put alot of spin on hex 4 about all the glories of 'not knowing' and I think that part of it is getting a bit over stated. There was a time everyone (well lots of people) thought hex was a rap on the knuckles so the 'glory of not knowing' theorists did well to rebalance that...BUT I don't think this statement can be over looked. It is visibly true to me now that Yi actually does stop giving information if consulted repetitivley on the same question...that is if you shake coins etc you will get answers of course but they will be just meaningless


Only recently i asked many many questions about the same issue. The first few casts in hindsight were precise...the rest were dross...sort of random, seeming to have no relevance at all in hindsight and then it occured to me...in a moment of what felt like a bit of a revelation...that passage in hex 4, is meant, its actual.

If we believe Yi is an Oracle that truly answers us then why do we keep asking it the same question over and over why didn't we believe it the first time.

I find it may answer more than once looking at a situation from various angles but when I keep asking on and on and on then it doesn't answer.

So yes personally i do think some castings are just random...Yi is not answering and you may find you first answers on the topic are the true ones.

Of course there is the theory that the very act of consulting Yi changes the nature of the situation asked about. The famous Luis (Sparhawk) has been most expressive about this. I feel sure that on some level there must be some truth in this...consulting an Oracle is an energetic exchange and can't be without some consequence. Some may go as far as to say if you keep asking you can actually turn and good oracle/omen into a bad one. I'm not sure about that but i do think we underestimate what are doing when we consult. ....we are perhaps plucking at the fibres of the web of the universe and it all reverberates LOL well thats as far as my understanding goes...but my feeling is yes we interacting with something on another level of reality so that reality will impinge back on us so maybe we need to respect what we are doing

Recently i realised i needed to take my castings more seriously...even though I've been consulting a long time there was a part of me still doesn't always 'believe' the first cast and so on. Then I thought if I am going to use this oracle I may as well believe in it...and if I believe in it i don't need to ask it the same question 14 times in two weeks.


For relationship questions especially past question 10 you are going nowhere probably except perhaps getting very short term 'forecasts' of his next call or whatever....which has its uses...but are those kind of answers ever as useful as the first oracle that told you it was a goer or to retreat from it. The first Oracle may say retreat but within that there may be alot of back and forth interaction, Yi may describe that interaction when you are on to question 20 but the overall omen/advice of retreat may not have changed

Long answer to a brief question...but its a good question. I think you are on the right track there. Having said that everyone will develop a feel for when Yi isn't answering anymore and when it is.

Undertsanding your answers comes down to your own very personal relationship with the Yi...so figuring where you are at energetically with it is quite important i think
 
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BTW I'd say 11.2 is quite a lonely line...one loses sight of friends. One is on a quest and doesn't need the burdens of attachments, thats the reason for the loss or the temporary estrangement. Sometimes to follow your path you have to do it alone. I think 11.2 is one of those times


On etake on 11.4 is that you can't get what you need from current attachments , you need to look elsewhere

I think generally hex 11 shows a strong force propelling one in life...but where it takes you doesn't always mean you take who you want along with you. Its actually much bigger than that.
 

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Phone/ Voicemail:
+44 (0)20 3287 3053 (UK)
+1 (561) 459-4758 (US).

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