11 Unchanging, 54 Unchanging, 46 Unchanging - What's Up??

[peace]

Help wanted....

I got three unchanging answers to three questions - one right after the other.

Background:
Been "seeing" a long time friend more (on his part)as a possible relationship. It's become an every week or more thing with many phone calls a day. I am concerned about "going along" with this and not choosing it.

I asked:

How do I feel about him (without all my rationale reasons why it can't work)?
I got 11 Unchanging.

Then I asked:
Next steps for me with him.
I got 54 Unchanging.

Then I asked:
Possible future for us - based on the way I want my future to be.
I got 46 Unchanging.

It seems there are some pretty definite answers here but I don't know how they fit together.

I obviously feel harmonious with him - but I don't get the Marrying Maiden and Advancement answers to the other questions.

Help!
Thanks in advance.

Rosalie
Rosalie

 

[frank]

Hi Rosalie,

What do I feel about him? answer: 11
Just fine, in 'peace'...

Next step for me with him? answer: 54
Get Along...

Possible future for us, based on the way I want the future to be? answer: 46
Rise to the ocasion...

Sounds pretty OK to me. The yi is also giving you a question back in return in the form of answer 46... How DO you actually see your future then :-D?

Hang in there,

Hug
Frank

 

[peace]

Thanks Frank. I didn't see it that way.
I thought 54 unchanging meant - I was stuck in a subordinating place and 46 unchanging - that I would have no influence at all.

I got that from R.L. Wing's unchanging lines commentary.

Thanks, something to think about!

Rosalie

 

[frank]

Hi Rosalie,

54 usualy can mean that you have to accept a situation where you whised it was otherwise, but because of that acceptance, YOU are the strong one and because of that strengh you will be 'in the picture' so to speak... In the dutch translation of RL Wing's commentary on unchanching lines in 54 it's also said that when you feel that you are walking in circles it is a good thing to go back to the position between both of you in the beginning, as that is the part when it went in the direction it is going now, and what can make you a bit uncomphortable, because of the feeling that you have to hold yourself in or addept to much to a situation you do not like (as for now...). So my answer as 'Get Along' is just that... As long as things are as they are: get along... By looking a bit to the beginning you could see where you should have taken another turn, and as an alternative, there's nothing in your way to make that turn now... :-D. (Not turning back from HIM, but from the idea, the thoughts, dreams, etc you had in the beginning, and make a new start of some sort...)

Then figure out what you actualy see as your future (46) and try to addept 54 (acceptance of a situation) with 46 (rising) by creating posibilities.

So:
- Do you like to be with him?
(I guess you do, as you received 11...)

- But do you see each other getting older the comming years, together, and is that addeptable to YOUR futureplan?
(54 > 46...)

Maybe some new thoughts to think about :-D?

Hang in there,

Hug
Frank

 

[peace]

Thanks Frank.
That helps more.
I like this guy alot, but definitely not in love with him. I was taking this time to be "alone" or at least not in something romantic now because I am therapy and really looking at things - like why I choose so badly. And being with him helps me see you can care about someone and not allow it to take over your life.

This guy is someone I know for 16 years - though as a casual friend - but for the last few months it's notched up - although not intimate. He's being patient, but I don't even want that.

I don't see a future here - too many differences between us (from my point of view), although he's a good, solid, honest person. Eventually, I want to be in love and share things domestically - and he's not domestic (never been married, doesn't cook, garden, lives in an apt. in NYC, I live in a house and love it, etc. etc.)

Anyway - thanks.
Rosalie

 

[peace]

Can I get a little more insight into 46 Unchanging? The overall hexagram seems more positive as a whole than the unchanging lines.

Thanks,
Rosalie

 

[waveringdragon]

my interpretation, for what it's worth,
hex 11 is saying to you that you are in the right place within your self in relation to this person

hex 54 is saying to you this is not "the" relationship you are looking for, don't take it any further than it has gone,
hex 46, to me there are two aspects to 46, preparation and upward development, they are inter relative and, surprise surprise, the inter relativity is cyclic, as in each step upward is a preparation for the next step upward,
you say you are taking time out because you have been making the wrong choices, in other words you are preparing/developing your self to make the right choices,
truth is you have already made the right choice in relation to this man, an upward step, in making the right choices about wrong situations you are developing your self to make the right choice about a right situation, you are also preparing your self, you are enlightening your self in relation to what is wrong for you and also i imagine adapting your self to make your self right for what is right for you, : ),
so what hex 46 is saying to you is that this relationship is an important part of your development

any sense?

all the best,

paul

 

[peace]

Thanks Paul. This is great. I understand 46 better and I now think all three hexagrams are right on. You and Frank are saying similar things.

Rosalie

 

[frank]

Hi Rosalie,

It might look that I 'know' hexagram 46 so that I could explain it to you as I did, but I do not know it that good actually, so I waited with you if someone would give more insight into it :-D.

Paul said some interessting stuff about it, and I had my thoughts also by giving the eye to the trigrams of 46... Maybe it's a thing to do when words in a way doesn't make sense: watch the painting...

46 is Earth above Wind... Earth is receptive, just take what comes to you... So outwards receptive... Inwards there is the wind, which has a way of getting deeper into things. Something like : "Take what comes to you and think what you want with it". So again, also by looking to the trigrams, the Yi gives you a question back...: "What DO you want in the future with this guy?"... You aready gave a straight answer as you like him very much, but are not definitly in love with him. Well... Sounds like a good thought to me :-D.

Hang in there.

Hug
Frank

 

[peace]

Looking at the hexagram images is very interesting. I always read the words but never truly visualized them.

What's interesting is the nuclear trigrams of 46 -
Chen over Tui (thunder over lake) - and, if you put them together you get 54.

I read LiSe's pages on 46 and she talks about ascend (for you) and acquire (for others) - and 54 as making the most of the place you're at for now.

It's been really important for me to ask and study the answers to these questions.

I also know now to avoid asking him questions that my ego would enjoy/be curious about - such as what he wants in this relationship. If he's not asking, I don't need to be curious.

I've at times wanted to know how far he wants it to go - whether he sees longterm - but what's the point? Obviously, neither of us wants the discussion now. He's not shy - so either he's fine as it is or he doesn't want to push the envelop either.

It's good for me as long as I stay in the moment and don't do anything I don't want to do because I'm scared - which is one of my most important lessons.

Rosalie

 

[frank]

Hi Rosalie,

Aha, I did not see that imidiatly, but to get 54 first and then as a nuclear in a next question makes the two questions related. So to 'get along with the situation as it is' (54) makes that you get 'insight' (46) into the whole situation and further steps on what YOU see as you future.

I'm still a bit wandering, though... You say you like him very much, but are not 'definitly' in love with him... But your ego wants to know how he feels about things, but you are afraid to ask... Mmmm, you can walk in circles like that for hours, but it's very understandable :-D. Don't let anxiety be the motor to force things, right? If everything is OK with both of you in this situation then move on on the same level, but if you want to figure out more, wait your time...

How does that sound?

Hang in there,

Hug.
Frank

 

[peace]

Yup. It would only be my ego wanting to know where he's really at. I don't trust that I wouldn't be just satisfying curiousity - which would be selfish. On the other hand, I've made certain assumptions about him since he's never been married.

Most of the men I've been with get immersed in the relationship and make it the most important thing in their lives. I've learned that these "men who merge" don't care as much as I think they do and they are merely dependent - which isn't caring at all. This one is more independent - and therefore I think he may not care as much - although he does call a few times a day. He has alot of good things in his life (besides me).

Anyway - thanks alot Frank.

Rosalie