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Hello there,

a few days ago I asked a question here whether a hexagram meant that we would have a baby, and I got a very confusing and worrying interpretation that it is a huge posibility but that we would really have to want it.

Thus I asked another quetion, "how's our relationship going to develope" and i got 13 > 22.

That is auspicious or...?

I would really appreciate your opinion since things do seem a bit weird as of late and I wouldn't like to keep investing my energy and emotions into something which has no future.

Thank you very much.
 

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Looks like you have a period of uncertainty.perhaps a seperation of some sort leading to a reunion.Trust me i have had my fair share of ups and downs in relationships,The course of true love is never smooth.I like line 5 of 13 as it indicates a very strong connection between people.I know this is not relavant to your reading, but if you read about line 2 of hexigram 45,It does put the matter of relationships/atraction into perspective.Also line 2 of Hexigram 31.Another is line 3 hexigram 61.Relationships are so difficult ,as strong emotions can make us react ilogical .Your reading is positive and i would be happy to recieve it if asked a similar question.
 

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This suggests that all will go well in the future between you, any past upsets or other problems will slowly recede away and you will enjoy each other's company once again. It has a future you just have to be there to make it happen.
 

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We broke up last night... He told me he realised that for the time being he couldn't give me as much as he think he should and he feels he shouldn't waste my time... So, not all turned out well... :(
 

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We were together up to that point but there obviously was no future.

This suggests that all will go well in the future between you, any past upsets or other problems will slowly recede away and you will enjoy each other's company once again. It has a future you just have to be there to make it happen.

This most certainly didn't sound as anything but good...
 

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klann I think Willow might have been saying that *if* you stayed together it would go well.#13 refers to people in a group(in this case the 2 of you).
And all people in the group have to want to be there,be able to do what is expected and want the same things.
If they don't--the whole purpose of the group no longer makes sense.
It discusses being sure that you fit in that group and your aims agree with the other's aims.If our aims and goals aren't the same, then any group we're part of canot accomplish much can it?
And that is what this hexagram is pointing to.
So, it was suggesting that you talk to one another and see if what you both want is the same thing.
This apparently you did do, and sadly he doesn't think he has it to give -at least not now.
I don't know you and definitely don't know him--but I still have the sense that you have to think even more about what you want, your reasons for being in a relationship and whether the relationship itself is important or something else is.
What I also think is that it's possible you may reunite.
Either he will return, or someone you already know and care for may return to you life and connect with you in a much better way.*Better* meaning a way that suits you, and your needs at this time
 
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We were together up to that point but there obviously was no future.



This most certainly didn't sound as anything but good...

The part of Willow's post that you put in bold most certainly does sound completely good. But you're also choosing to ignore the condition that she put there, and which she reiterated, which is that you both have to be there to take advantage of the positive conditions described.

See, when the Yi talks about the future, it doesn't write its predictions in stone, and neither do most of the people who interpret on this board. There's ALWAYS the choices of the people involved and the power of accident that can knock the situation off the rails. So when you work with oracles and you're asking questions about the future, it's a likelihood, not a promise. The problem is not with Willow's interpretation, but with your upset right now, and you have every reason to be upset considering how things have turned out. But don't blame the oracle or find fault with the people who are struggling to make it clearer to you.
 

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Thanks Proserpine, your explanation is very clear and accurate.

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What I also think is that it's possible you may reunite.

Either he will return, or someone you already know and care for may return to you life and connect with you in a much better way.*Better* meaning a way that suits you, and your needs at this time

I asked today "How is our relationship going to develope in the future?" and I got hexagram 12 > 24

Does it show either of the two possibilities that you mentioned above?

Thank you, people.
 

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The part of Willow's post that you put in bold most certainly does sound completely good. But you're also choosing to ignore the condition that she put there, and which she reiterated, which is that you both have to be there to take advantage of the positive conditions described.

See, when the Yi talks about the future, it doesn't write its predictions in stone, and neither do most of the people who interpret on this board. There's ALWAYS the choices of the people involved and the power of accident that can knock the situation off the rails. So when you work with oracles and you're asking questions about the future, it's a likelihood, not a promise. The problem is not with Willow's interpretation, but with your upset right now, and you have every reason to be upset considering how things have turned out. But don't blame the oracle or find fault with the people who are struggling to make it clearer to you.


No, I'm sorry, that's not how I meant it! I appologise if it sounded like that. I am most grateful for the interpretation, and if i didn't trust I wouldn't ask.
I am still clumsy in interpreting it myself and I hope that it does not disqualify me from asking for help here. That is actually why I'm doing it.

It's just the thing that what I thought "positive conditions" meant is:
1. that it would not be very likely for things to turn out so wrong, and
2. that it turning out so wrong might actually be good in the long run.

I again appologise if I sounded offensive. That was most certainly not my intention. I deeply appreciate your helping me.
 

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I asked today "How is our relationship going to develop in the future?" and I got hexagram 12 > 24

Well, this suggests that a break up has occurred with each of you running to your different corners, a period of stagnation sets in but it doesn't last and someone makes the first step towards reconciliation and reunification.

Hex 24 is a very nice Hex, very laid back and contented.

So, give it some time and see what happens as today's sandwich is tomorrow's fertilizer.
 

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Willowfox, thank you very much for your interpretation .

Since dobro criticized me for being disrespectful to you, I hope you read my explanation. I really did not mean it like that :eek:
 

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I don't see 13 to 22 as indicating any great potential in how the relationship develops more like minor potential. 13 does not in my experience refer to romance but to friendship bonds and 22 as a relating hexagram shows lack of depth in the bond to me - so I don't think if you worked at it there would necessarily be any great relationship
 

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No, I'm sorry, that's not how I meant it! I appologise if it sounded like that. I am most grateful for the interpretation, and if i didn't trust I wouldn't ask.
I am still clumsy in interpreting it myself and I hope that it does not disqualify me from asking for help here. That is actually why I'm doing it.

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:eek: trust what ? You gotta remember no one here has more knowledge about your future than you do. This is just a place where people share their perspectives on readings - not a place where you need trust what any member says. The way i see it theres no one right way of interpreting a reading - different people will see it different ways - there will of course be one right way for you because its your answer but only you know that because only you know the reality of the situation behind the question.
 

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klann: I think I misread your intended meaning too. It's the internet. Sorry.
 

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I don't see 13 to 22 as indicating any great potential in how the relationship develops more like minor potential. 13 does not in my experience refer to romance but to friendship bonds and 22 as a relating hexagram shows lack of depth in the bond to me - so I don't think if you worked at it there would necessarily be any great relationship


Obviously not, since we broke up. ;)

But check out the following reading: people gave me ideas and I asked IC for the future development of the things between us, and I got 12 > 24

Does that reconfirm the friendship bonds you are talking about?

I'm really interested what's the potential because from this point of view and knowing how things used to be up to now, both are possible. And what I am wondering even more is: are there any indications whether I should do ANYTHING in order to push things in any way? Or just wait to see how things develope? To be honest, I'm more inclined to do the latter so I think it counts too, right?

Thank you in advance.
 

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12 to 24 I see as indicating after a period of stalemate (12) things get back to their true course (24) that doesn't mean it confirms friendship bonds it just says that you get out of this time of dead end stuckness - which could be moving on away from him or getting back with him.
 

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:eek: trust what ? This is just a place where people share their perspectives on readings - not a place where you need trust what any member says
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Trust the others' opinions, trust my ability to hear other people's point of view and, in combination with my knowledge about the given situation, to draw a possible valid conclusion. Don't see any wrong with that.

Thank you for your interpretation of 12>24, I think that it is actually the most realistic follow-up: no one can stay in a period of stagnation forever and it is auspicious that 24 is what follows. The way I see it is that, no matter whether we get back together or move further away from each other, it will be for the best. Or am I reading it too optimistically?
 

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The way I see it is that, no matter whether we get back together or move further away from each other, it will be for the best. Or am I reading it too optimistically?

Not at all. I think that the most valuable aspect of the Yi is in it's ability to help us see that everything is always for the best, especially when it doesn't appear that way to us. This is what I see as the wisdom aspect of the oracle. It can help us understand the bigger picture and align ourselves with our divine purpose.

In considering the two readings involved here, 13.4.5 > 22 would indicate to me that there is a strong dynamic between you - the fifth line clearly describes hardships two whose hearts are aligned are likely to experience, yet suggests a joyful outcome if they're able to overcome it. 22 resulting might cause me to ask whether this is a connection of great permanence, though.

12.1.4.5.6 > 24 I'd also interpret as indicating strong dynamics. I've often found that a situation with more than 3 changing lines has significant power. Steve Marshal has written that with four lines changing the emphasis has shifted to the resulting hexagram, and that reading the lower of the lines in the second hexagram that haven't changed from the first (In this case line two of Hex 24) can add additional insight.

WIlhelm's interpretation of 24.2 is Quiet Return, Good Fortune. He goes on to say that this is about self mastery, that if one can put aside pride and follow the example of good men, good fortune results.

Which brings us right back to your comment, that the best result will come about to the degree we don't interfere (Inject our ego) into the situation. Does that make sense?
 

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Trust the others' opinions, trust my ability to hear other people's point of view and, in combination with my knowledge about the given situation, to draw a possible valid conclusion. Don't see any wrong with that.

Thank you for your interpretation of 12>24, I think that it is actually the most realistic follow-up: no one can stay in a period of stagnation forever and it is auspicious that 24 is what follows. The way I see it is that, no matter whether we get back together or move further away from each other, it will be for the best. Or am I reading it too optimistically?

I was thinking you meant trust as in 'believe in' someones interpretation as if it were a fact which I wouldn't think was a good idea. I'd hate anyone to believe in what I said as the truth about any reading, its always only an angle on it - but you didn't mean it like that so I'll shut up , lol.

No I don't think you're being too optimistic here, I'm sure things will turn out for the best however they turn out. 13.5 does indicate reunion after troubles but my point about 13 before was it usually, in my experience anyway, refers to those I have a connection with on a social level rather than a very personal one.
 

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In considering the two readings involved here, 13.4.5 > 22 would indicate to me that there is a strong dynamic between you - the fifth line clearly describes hardships two whose hearts are aligned are likely to experience, yet suggests a joyful outcome if they're able to overcome it. 22 resulting might cause me to ask whether this is a connection of great permanence, though.

WIlhelm's interpretation of 24.2 is Quiet Return, Good Fortune. He goes on to say that this is about self mastery, that if one can put aside pride and follow the example of good men, good fortune results.

Which brings us right back to your comment, that the best result will come about to the degree we don't interfere (Inject our ego) into the situation. Does that make sense?

Thank you for your thorough interpretation. Yes, it makes a lot of sense.

The first reading was right before the break-up, so the lack of permanence that you mention regarding 22 is right there.

The second reading is more interesting to me since it happened after the break-up and it came as an answer to my NOT asking yes/no question, which was kindly advised by someone here.

Not injecting my ego in the situation (as you've nicely put it) is a very important part since he did say something rather insulting. I've been wondering ever since if I should get back to him but the more I read your comments the more I realise that I should not.
 

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Oh wow, so long ago, but Klann, may I ask, did it work out for you guys in the end?

Thanks :) And I hope you're at peace at the mo!
 

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