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Hi

Just a follow up on my last post, I asked what do I need to know about the sale. To me if I was to get this sale it could open many doors. Its kind of the keys to the city.

hexagram 14.1.3.4.5.6 > 29 to me this is kind of mixed messages again with this leading to hexagram 29 or it could be a reflection of how I am feeling at times like the current background.

I am not sure if I am being advised that it will all work out with the sale or that I am on a good path and dont worry about the sale, the reading looks pretty busy.

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To me if I was to get this sale it could open many doors. Its kind of the keys to the city.

Well...I looked up line 2 mostly just for fun, but look what it says compared to what you said.

14.2
'A great chariot to carry loads.
With a direction to go, no mistake.'


That's the only line of 14 you didn't get, and it seems to be exactly what you're expecting from the sale.

There is controversy about how to do this. Some people say if all lines are moving but one, the one unmoving line is what you should read and take your advice from. However another point of view is, if Yi meant 14.2, it could have just given you 14.2. But it didn't.

I wonder if it could be said that this sale would be many 14-ish things, just not that?

Here are the rest of the lines. Some sound encouraging, some don't.

14.1 - 'No interaction with what is harmful, In no way at fault, So that hardship is not a mistake.'
14.3 - 'A prince makes an offering to the son of heaven. Small people are in no way capable of this.'
14.4 - 'It is not for you to dominate, No mistake.'
14.5 - 'Your truth interacts, strikes awe - Good fortune.'
14.6 - 'From heaven comes help and protection. Good fortune, Nothing that does not bear fruit.'

14.3 rings a faint bell. Did you get that once before on this subject? I had it recently, about keeping a follow-up appointment with a doctor, and decided I'm a "small person," not a "prince" (financially), therefore I shouldn't keep (and pay for) the appointment. "A prince makes an offering..." - I think Yi was telling me keeping the appointment would be an offering, not a necessity. She (doctors in general) schedule follow-up appointments so they can be sure we're okay, and we as patients also like to hear we're okay. If I was a prince, I could afford that luxury. But I'm not, so I shouldn't spend a lot of money just to hear the doctor say, "It's all better."

(Now - what was wrong with me wasn't terribly serious to begin with, and if later on I really thought it wasn't better, I could always schedule another appointment.)

(End of personal discourse on one line our of five...)

You might read through them all together, and see if they could be telling a story in some way? And think about them one at a time, to see if each line might describe a different aspect of the whole situation?

For example. line 4 which seems fairly easy to understand: "It is not for Steve to dominate." In what way might "Steve dominating" enter in? Er...is there a way to do this without dominating? The admonition comes about halfway through - is that chronological? Might there come a time when you shouldn't dominate? Etc. You could keep asking yourself questions like that, while also keeping your other readings in mind.

In line 5, you might ask yourself, "What is the 'truth' it's talking about" and "What is it 'interacting' with?" You might also read some other translations to see what words they use. Hilary says "interaction," LiSe says "associating," Bradford - oh, interesting, since this is a business topic - says this:

14.5
'Their truths resemble commerce
If also dignified, promise.'


If you haven't already, you might download Bradford's book (www.hermetica.info) and read his commentary to see how he expounds on that. And what could "dignified" or "dignity" mean in your situation?

The first one or two lines - where do you think they might fit into a chronological story? The present? The recent past? The very near future? Lower lines in a chronological story could be any of those things (if this is a chronological story at all).

Hilary says something she's found useful at times is to see if any of the lines seem to go together in pairs or groups. If so, you could try separating those from the others, and see what just those lines change to. In other words, 14 with all five of those lines moving changes to 29 (chasms, danger, repetition, rehearsal, learning, complication or over-complication, getting in deep). What hexagram do smaller groups of lines change to, and what might that be telling you? (Of course that only works if you think any of the lines go together.)
 

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Hi

Thanks so much for your reply I think you have really helped here, thanks for taking the time on this one as its pretty busy.I tend to read all the lines when I get these types of readings and don't use the other technique.

14.1 - 'No interaction with what is harmful, In no way at fault, So that hardship is not a mistake.'
14.3 - 'A prince makes an offering to the son of heaven. Small people are in no way capable of this.'
14.4 - 'It is not for you to dominate, No mistake.'
14.5 - 'Your truth interacts, strikes awe - Good fortune.'
14.6 - 'From heaven comes help and protection. Good fortune, Nothing that does not bear fruit.'



I am seeing line one as the initial approach, like no harm in trying, line 3 is the actual proposal, line 4 is the fact currently I am not in control of the sale hence not being able to get hold of the contact. Line 5 getting them to see the product is worthy or useful and line 6 is money in the bank which could lead to more sales ( many more) as I will then have a demo to show to other centers like themselves.

So the Yi is showing me I am on the correct path or this is a possible outcome. Which makes sense as its pretty much a sales process or could be related to one with hexagram 14. Which is something I have just discovered thanks to you.

Interestingly you have pointed out line 4 as that's where I believe I am now, waiting to get hold of the contact to take the sale to the next level. In relation to line 5 this could be about not pushing the sale or looking desperate. Showing the product for what it is,

I will update the thread, so if I am currently at line 4 line 5 is crucial to line 6. So when I talk to her I should stick to the benefits of the product ( line 5) I see line 5 as the very last stage of the work but probably the most important. I should write a list of 10 good points of why they should proceed for their benefit ( not mine) and fire away saving the best for last.

Really helpful you seem to know your stuff, thanks again, feel free to make more comments as I may still be missing something. Hexagram 29 in this situation doesn't seem to be all that bad. How many sales have i made? I am just walking the dog again maybe its to do with skillful experience. To be honest I am not all together sure of the relevance of hexagram 29 however repetition does ring a bell.

Thanks to everyone who helped me on this issue as its important as i said there are hundreds and hundreds of these tourist centers and it could possibly be huge. I think we have put the jigsaw puzzle together and know now what to do.

I think its a crucial point line 5 of the hexagram because if I strike awe or in this case get the contact to realise the benefits and STICK to that without losing my dignity like begging for the sale then bang i cruise into line 6

fingers crossed

Steve
 
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Oh good, I'm glad all the lines are so coherent for you! And it sounds like you have good reasons for everything you're thinking - you're really understanding the message of each line and not just making superficial "good/bad" judgements.

I especially like this part, where you tied some things together:
Interestingly you have pointed out line 4 as that's where I believe I am now, waiting to get hold of the contact to take the sale to the next level. In relation to line 5 this could be about not pushing the sale or looking desperate. Showing the product for what it is,
Make the proposal...don't be pushy, don't beg...let them see the value.

Do you think line 4, "don't be pushy," needs any more refinement, or do you have a good feel for it? I think I remember from another thread you were wondering about Christmas, for example, and whether now is a good time to start anything. Do you feel you have good guidance on details like that?
 

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I feel in relation to line 4 is yes don't be pushy, that would be good advice in my current situation, start the process into line 5 so then the penny will drop for them. To get to line 5 i need to slowly or at their own pace try and take the situation there. Today I came up with 10 good reasons why they should proceed of which i will email. I just dont know if and when they will action something. It appears the process I have taken is correct either way.

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I'm hoping even a "10 good reasons" email won't be "dominating"? That's why I asked about line 4 again - how far does it go? Gentle nudges? Nothing at all? Nothing at all right now?

If it was me I'd probably check with Yi on every little thing ("What if I send this email?") - but then I can be a paranoid scaredy-cat, lol.
 

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Thats interesting because i have an email scheduled to go in the morning I asked the Yi what do i need to know and received 54.4>19 again a warning to be patient, hmmm maybe I may just try to get her on the phone first.

The line does suggest things will come together in due course.

Thanks again

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...not to be a broken record, but if it was me (it's not, of course) I'd probably ask another question about phoning. Or any other step you think of taking.

I as an outsider to this, or if it was my own reading - I'm unsure where the 14.4 "line" is drawn. Surely you have to do something, sometime (unless they'll call you without any further action on your part). But Yi's making a point of telling you not to dominate now-ish (since you just got that reading). If it was me, I'd be wondering, "Is this dominating? Is this? Is this?" and waiting for Yi to clearly endorse some action sometime. As you said, the readings suggest things will come together in due course, so at some point Yi surely will endorse an action (or they'll call you).

You're in a nervewracking position, thank goodness you have Yi-the-business-advisor to talk to about it.


[Edited] I wonder if this is where the "chasms," hexagram 29, come in. Chasms are steep and dark and precarious. You don't know how to navigate them safely. So you move slowly and carefully, taking advantage of any hand-hold or resting spot, not going too far in too quickly, and so forth. Since 29 is the relating hexagram, it might be telling you this endeavor is more precarious and less straightforward than you think it is, or than you think it ought to be.

I think checking with Yi about every little move you make right now is in keeping with that. Let Yi be your hand-hold and resting spot and chasm-guide.

(That is all speculation, of course.)
 

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Hi Liselle

Thank god you posted about the email as when I checked in the light of day there were spelling errors (OMG) Anyway the latest update is that I spoke to her today and she pretty well said she was going ahead. She has asked for the quote.
I just sent an extremely professional email reflecting of what the product will do for them.
I think nearly at line 5

You're in a nervewracking position, thank goodness you have Yi-the-business-advisor to talk to about it.

haha yes

Steve
 

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PHEW.

And CONGRATULATIONS!

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I just got the quote out today, will see what happens

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Just another update on this, I spoke this week to the contact, she is still going ahead and asked me to call in mid December as that's when they get there budget.

Will update, boy oh boy slow process

Steve
 

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