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Hi there everyone . I really could use some guidance . For the last 6-7 months I’ve had an undeniable urge to live the land I am in right now. Canada. This is not my homeland by my partner lives here . We know we have to get our soon for what feels like our safety is at sake. We are ppl who believe in the sovereignty of our bodies and minds. I’ve had many post apocalyptic dreams of where I am recently . And it all has to do with authority and corruption. Also dreams of floods here that literally bring it underwater .
Our options are the USA and Serbia (where she is from). We’ve decided on Serbia mostly to do with resources and price of living is so much cheaper than USA . Also the people in Serbia will fight for their country if shit hits the fan . Canada not so much. Long story short i asked “what is important to know about moving to Serbia in a month” and received 18 with line 2 and 4 changing to 56. Could you please give me advice on what you think this means . Thank you so much
 
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We know we have to get our soon for what feels like our safety is at sake
I am curious, why do you feel your safety is at risk if you stay in Canada? It seems like a fairly safe, nonviolent nation, compared to many others, including here in US.
 

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I am particularly talking about my freedom of body autonomy. And corruption in government. And going against the Nuremberg code. Which is happening all over the world mind you. But the lockdowns where I am here have been the worst in world. Thousands put on the streets. Hundreds of thousands of business orders who lost their businesses. As a business owner where I need to put food on the table for my family ... this is not the place for me.
 

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going against the Nuremberg code.
Hmm. COVID-19 vaccines are not experimental at this point, and so the Nuremberg Code does not apply to people receiving them - unless you were forced to take part in clinical trials. But I'm glad you clarified what you're talking about. And if you want to move to a country that misrepresents the number of its pandemic cases and infringes upon the freedom of the press, then I hope your move to Serbia goes smoothly.

Your cast is favorable for 'crossing' but it seems you'll only be swapping one set of restrictions and freedoms for another set. Anywhere you go, each nation has it's own stacks of decayed corpses - physically, historically, metaphorically - to deal with.
 
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Your ignorance at this point is a choice. To say they are not experimental is what I can insanity. You can call the moderna hotline right now. Ask them. Are the human trials ongoing ? They will say yes. And then continue on with are the people taking the shot part of the trials? And they will also respond yes. These trials are ongoing into 2023, bc you my friend are the experiment. Please I didn’t ask for your beliefs. I asked about hexagram. I’ll never change you to wake up to the corruption happening and I have given up on ppl like you. The truth of what’s being censored / pushed down is all around you right now.
 

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Hi there everyone . I really could use some guidance . For the last 6-7 months I’ve had an undeniable urge to live the land I am in right now. Canada. This is not my homeland by my partner lives here . We know we have to get our soon for what feels like our safety is at sake. We are ppl who believe in the sovereignty of our bodies and minds. I’ve had many post apocalyptic dreams of where I am recently . And it all has to do with authority and corruption. Also dreams of floods here that literally bring it underwater .
Our options are the USA and Serbia (where she is from). We’ve decided on Serbia mostly to do with resources and price of living is so much cheaper than USA . Also the people in Serbia will fight for their country if shit hits the fan . Canada not so much. Long story short i asked “what is important to know about moving to Serbia in a month” and received 18 with line 2 and 4 changing to 56. Could you please give me advice on what you think this means . Thank you so much


Until I knew what this was about these were my thoughts

18.2.4>56 is saying, in those lines that tolerating corruption is a bad thing. That somewhere in all this there was too much laxity, I didn't know where that might be. 18 is to do with decay, that which festers, that which is broken and far more besides. It calls for work to rectify things. I had no idea what it was you may be in danger of being too tolerant of, to lax or careless about.

Now 18.4 is quite clear it says from wiki/Hilary

'Wealthy father's corruption.
Going on sees shame.'

In the light of what you have said about businesses being lost because of lockdown this is such an apt answer. You think business matters more than the millions of Covid deaths. If Serbia is more lax than Canada which I have no idea about but from what you say it is, then you face too much laxity there by insufficient restrictions.


18.2
'Ancestral mother's corruption,
Does not allow constancy.'

It's a more nuanced line indicated care giving gone awry.

Then there's 56, you as traveller I guess.

I mean you could read it in another way, but I think the idea that lockdown is an infringement of liberty is lunacy. Lockdown is to save health services from being overwhelmed and I'm sure you'd be the first to be complaining if you broke your leg but there was no medical help because the Covid patients had all the hospital beds. What about your kids do you want sufficient health services to cover any other illnesses they may get ? If so be grateful you live where Covid is taken seriously.

I see people arrive in these forums and quickly get abusive when they don't get the kinds of replies they expect. That bugs me. People who answer here do so voluntarily so you could bear that in mind.


Your ignorance at this point is a choice. To say they are not experimental is what I can insanity. You can call the moderna hotline right now. Ask them. Are the human trials ongoing ? They will say yes. And then continue on with are the people taking the shot part of the trials? And they will also respond yes. These trials are ongoing into 2023, bc you my friend are the experiment. Please I didn’t ask for your beliefs. I asked about hexagram. I’ll never change you to wake up to the corruption happening and I have given up on ppl like you. The truth of what’s being censored / pushed down is all around you right now

Who is ignorant is a matter of opinion but also here a matter of fact.

We aren't just robots to respond about the I Ching without background. I'm glad you have revealed the background to your query as I now know your query is definitely not worth more of my time.

Also regarding spreading misinformation about lockdown/vaccination I don't think this is the right place to do it. I wonder what great masterplan you think Covid is or if you even believe it exists. There's probably forums for people that share this fantasy..
 
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Your ignorance at this point is a choice .... Please I didn’t ask for your beliefs. I asked about hexagram.

You say you want to talk about the hexagrams, but here you are calling me ignorant, and telling me you'll never be able to 'change' me (thank god), and telling me what your definition of 'insanity' is, etc. But I didn't ask for you to change me, or for your beliefs either, and yet here you are doing just that.

As I said, you are not being forced to take part in anyone's trials - that would be like forcing First Nations' children to go off to boarding schools without their parents' permission, or forcing people to be slaves - which both Canada and the US did. As I said below, each nation has its own stack of decayed corpses to deal with, and I suspect that Serbia does too.

And ... I did give you my understand of your reading, as in:
Your cast is favorable for 'crossing' but it seems you'll only be swapping one set of restrictions and freedoms for another set. Anywhere you go, each nation has it's own stacks of decayed corpses - physically, historically, metaphorically - to deal with.

.... so what if we both focus on this instead? I actually would like to hear your thoughts about what I said here.

(And it doesn't matter what I think of vaccine trials, or if you think you can change me, or if you think I'm too ignorant to change, since none of that is what your reading nor what my response is about, is it?)
 
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Until I knew what this was about these were my thoughts

18.2.4>56 is saying, in those lines that tolerating corruption is a bad thing. That somewhere in all this there was too much laxity, I didn't know where that might be. 18 is to do with decay, that which festers, that which is broken and far more besides. It calls for work to rectify things. I had no idea what it was you may be in danger of being too tolerant of, to lax or careless about.

Now 18.4 is quite clear it says from wiki/Hilary

'Wealthy father's corruption.
Going on sees shame.'

In the light of what you have said about businesses being lost because of lockdown this is such an apt answer. You think business matters more than the millions of Covid deaths. If Serbia is more lax than Canada which I have no idea about but from what you say it is, then you face too much laxity there by insufficient restrictions.


18.2
'Ancestral mother's corruption,
Does not allow constancy.'

It's a more nuanced line indicated care giving gone awry.

Then there's 56, you as traveller I guess.

I mean you could read it in another way, but I think the idea that lockdown is an infringement of liberty is lunacy. Lockdown is to save health services from being overwhelmed and I'm sure you'd be the first to be complaining if you broke your leg but there was no medical help because the Covid patients had all the hospital beds. What about your kids do you want sufficient health services to cover any other illnesses they may get ? If so be grateful you live where Covid is taken seriously.

I see people arrive in these forums and quickly get abusive when they don't get the kinds of replies they expect. That bugs me. People who answer here do so voluntarily so you could bear that in mind.




Who is ignorant is a matter of opinion but also here a matter of fact.

We aren't just robots to respond about the I Ching without background. I'm glad you have revealed the background to your query as I now know your query is definitely not worth more of my time.

Also regarding spreading misinformation about lockdown/vaccination I don't think this is the right place to do it. I wonder what great masterplan you think Covid is or if you even believe it exists. There's probably forums for people that share this fantasy..
The levels of cognitive dissonance on this planet occurring are mind blowing . I could tell you that on the cdc website it says only 6% of the deaths of covid were deaths of Covid alone. The other 94% are two or more co morbidities . I could tell you my friend died in a parachute accident and they marked it as Covid . I could tell you hundreds of stories . I could tell you I know 6 people personally aged 31-58 who all died several days to 2 weeks after their vaccinations . I could tell you that over 250 million ppl are going to die of hunger bc of supply chain disruptions. (Check UN). All of a virus with a 99.97% survival rate. A virus so deadly that you wouldn’t even know it exist if you turned off your tv and never engaged in all the propaganda. I feel sad for the slumber most of humanity is in. I wanted a hexagram reading not your two cents on what you think is right or wrong. The vaccine passport will be the new yellow star. I’m sorry no I’m not on the side of big government , big pharma and big tech. This has always been about control and nothing else. I think of the boiling frog analogy. If you put a frog in hot water it will jump out but if you slowly crank up the heat it’ll stay while it boils alive. This is humanity right now . To watch the news and not question it. To believe a trillion dollar industry like the pharmaceutical has ever cared for humanity is mind blowing. They do not profit off cures. I could tell you Pfizer in 2009 lost a 2.3 billion dollar lawsuit for “bribing doctors and suppressing data” and you wouldn’t care . That’s the thing you are so fearful of a virus with a 99.97 recovery rate that you can’t see you are in the boiling water and what’s happening to your sovereignty. But I know you don’t care. You and 90% of humanity are in such a deep sleep to the evil that’s occurring right now. It’s a lot easier just believing this is all about a “deadly” lab made virus tho. Then waking up to the truth.
 

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The levels of cognitive dissonance on this planet occurring are mind blowing .... If you put a frog in hot water it will jump out ....

And what does any of this - especially a "frog in hot water"? - have to do with your reading or with my response (especially since you live in Canada and want to move to Serbia, and not to my country, the US)? I thought you didn't want to talk opinions, etc. But here you are, again, taking us way, way off track.

And despite your distractions and beliefs, I did respond to your casting:
18 > 56 in regards to moving to Serbia and what I need to know

And I'd like to hear what you think of my response / interpretation:
Your cast is favorable for 'crossing' but it seems you'll only be swapping one set of restrictions and freedoms for another set. Anywhere you go, each nation has it's own stacks of decayed corpses - physically, historically, metaphorically - to deal with.

That seems like the whole point of your posting in the first place, correct? And as you have said, it's not at all about either of our opinions, or our beliefs, or about our conflicting 'facts'.
 
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The levels of cognitive dissonance on this planet occurring are mind blowing . I could tell you that on the cdc website it says only 6% of the deaths of covid were deaths of Covid alone. The other 94% are two or more co morbidities . I could tell you my friend died in a parachute accident and they marked it as Covid . I could tell you hundreds of stories . I could tell you I know 6 people personally aged 31-58 who all died several days to 2 weeks after their vaccinations . I could tell you that over 250 million ppl are going to die of hunger bc of supply chain disruptions. (Check UN). All of a virus with a 99.97% survival rate. A virus so deadly that you wouldn’t even know it exist if you turned off your tv and never engaged in all the propaganda.

Is that so ? It only existed on TV more or less you think ? Lucky you to be so protected you haven't even had any contact with Covid patients. I've known a good number of people who have had Covid now and more who tested positive. Luckily those I know who had Covid were very ill but were not hospitalised. Many others not so fortunate lost family, friends, colleagues

Comorbidities are simply those with underlying health issues which could be anything from asthma to heart issues to auto immune conditions. That doesn't mean they don't count as Covid deaths since those people, even with their health issues would have lived if it were not for Covid. Sure there will be a good number of deaths that would have occurred anyway but that doesn't really amount to a basis for dismissing it as nothing at all.

I feel sad for the slumber most of humanity is in. I wanted a hexagram reading not your two cents on what you think is right or wrong.

There is no such thing as just a 'hexagram reading', there's always a human doing that reading. If the issue is serious enough the human looking at the reading has every right to consider the subject matter.


Apart from that I have actually given you an interpretation, (look at post 6) which you haven't commented on. You could use what I said about the reading, where I said there was too much laxity and toleration of corruption and you could apply that yourself however you like in whatever way appeals to you as true. It really isn't the case someone could look at the reading alone and tell you where to move to. The reading doesn't indicate a country it's talking about dealing with decay.

The vaccine passport will be the new yellow star. I’m sorry no I’m not on the side of big government , big pharma and big tech.

Oh please don't equate a vaccine passport to a yellow star. The vaccine passport is controversial yes but the point of it is to stop unvaccinated unmasked people spreading the virus. That is the point of it, to stop the virus spreading. The motive behind it is humanitarian for goodness sake. You know to save lives. I can only guess/imagine that those who feel it an infringement on their liberty have never ever known what real infringement on liberty is like.

This has always been about control and nothing else. I think of the boiling frog analogy. If you put a frog in hot water it will jump out but if you slowly crank up the heat it’ll stay while it boils alive. This is humanity right now . To watch the news and not question it. To believe a trillion dollar industry like the pharmaceutical has ever cared for humanity is mind blowing. They do not profit off cures. I could tell you Pfizer in 2009 lost a 2.3 billion dollar lawsuit for “bribing doctors and suppressing data” and you wouldn’t care . That’s the thing you are so fearful of a virus with a 99.97 recovery rate that you can’t see you are in the boiling water and what’s happening to your sovereignty. But I know you don’t care. You and 90% of humanity are in such a deep sleep to the evil that’s occurring right now. It’s a lot easier just believing this is all about a “deadly” lab made virus tho. Then waking up to the truth.

To simply jump to making it all about 'Big Brother', to deny the real suffering and loss of life, to be crass enough to compare a vaccine passport to the yellow star......

Well I hope you get to keep your great 'sovereignty' especially when there's no health care available. I hope it keeps you fit and well and safe from the virus. If all else fails you can lie in bed gasping 'I am sovereign'. If you are unvaccinated that could happen in Canada or Serbia so take your pick and that kind of is what the reading says isn't it ? I'd say the reading was a wake up call but you don't have to see it like that. You could read my interpretation in post 6 and apply it however you like.
 

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Yes I appreciate your casting advice . As I said I’m a USA citizen. I just believe financially I’ll be able to live a better life in Serbia for the time being .
 

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The vaccine passport will be the new yellow star.

It seems that a few of us here have given you our interpretations of your reading. I for one would be glad to focus on what you asked and what I think (and others think) the Yi is saying.

And though I don't want to again distract us with our varied beliefs, I think it's important to note that the Yellow Star of David is already being used by the Republicans here in the US to proclaim their victimhood, and how much they are in solidarity with the millions of Jews who died in gas chambers. So the symbol is already be misused and abused; sorry, but you missed your chance at it.

And again, sorry for this brief dive into reality; now we can get back to your reading, correct?
 
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Yes I appreciate your casting advice . As I said I’m a USA citizen. I just believe financially I’ll be able to live a better life in Serbia for the time being .

Actually, I don't think you ever said you were a USA citizen, only that moving here is an option (I thought you wanted to come here as a damn immigrant!). And actually, you said a whole, whole lot more than just that you believe you'll be financially better off in Serbia - including that some of us here are ignorant, brainwashed, and are being controlled by big business .... all of which has nothing to do with reality or with you moving to another country; now does it?

As I said in my interpretation, 'crossing' a big river (or ocean from Canada to Serbia, or from North American to Europe) is favorable for you. However, there is also a reality check here: you are not gaining or getting rid of freedoms and restrictions, as much as you are just swapping these out for a whole new set when you move to Serbia.

After all, Serbia - just like Canada, the USA, and most other places - is having COVID deaths and cases, and the government of Serbia has an active vaccination campaign, and they have taken medical aid from Western Europe and WHO, so Serbia is also very much controlled by BIG PHARMA and big business!

And talking about swapping freedoms and restrictions, I just read this about Serbia from an independent (not controlled by big media) organization:

".... in recent years the ruling Serbian Progressive Party has steadily eroded political rights and civil liberties, putting pressure on independent media, the political opposition, and civil society organizations. Despite these trends, the country has continued to move toward membership in the European Union."

... but maybe these trade-offs are acceptable, so this is a good choice for you. It sure seems that way.

However, given your concerns for your 'freedoms', I'd advise against you moving here to the USA:

Trump was the one who declared a national health emergency last year (for a supposed fake virus); and he lied to us about how serious this fake virus is (and then admitted he lied, but said he did it for our own good), and he also approved tens of billions of dollars for Big Pharma to develop vaccines, that he promised would be the best vaccines ever - and because of him, we got these Trump-approved Best-ever, Big Pharma Vaccines for a Fake Virus in record-breaking time (and paid for by US citizens like myself) !

I don't think the George Soros' cabal, nor Hilary Clinton, nor the Illuminati (nor China) had much to do with Trump's Operation Warp Speed and with development of Trump's Big Pharma vaccines! And since he is now trying to take over control of my nation - where he lost the presidential election - and he once again would put big-business elites in charge of our nation, I'm thinking THE USA IS NOT THE COUNTRY you want to come to if you value your freedoms!

So, best of luck in your move to Serbia - as far as I can tell, the Yijing approves of your move!
 
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Actually, I don't think you ever said you were a USA citizen, only that moving here is an option (I thought you wanted to come here as a damn immigrant!). And actually, you said a whole, whole lot more than just that you believe you'll be financially better off in Serbia - including that some of us here are ignorant, brainwashed, and are being controlled by big business .... all of which has nothing to do with reality or with you moving to another country; now does it?

As I said in my interpretation, 'crossing' a big river (or ocean from Canada to Serbia, or from North American to Europe) is favorable for you. However, there is also a reality check here: you are not gaining or getting rid of freedoms and restrictions, as much as you are just swapping these out for a whole new set when you move to Serbia.

After all, Serbia - just like Canada, the USA, and most other places - is having COVID deaths and cases, and the government of Serbia has an active vaccination campaign, and they have taken medical aid from Western Europe and WHO, so Serbia is also very much controlled by BIG PHARMA and big business!

And talking about swapping freedoms and restrictions, I just read this about Serbia from an independent (not controlled by big media) organization:

".... in recent years the ruling Serbian Progressive Party has steadily eroded political rights and civil liberties, putting pressure on independent media, the political opposition, and civil society organizations. Despite these trends, the country has continued to move toward membership in the European Union."

... but maybe these trade-offs are acceptable, so this is a good choice for you. It sure seems that way.

However, given your concerns for your 'freedoms', I'd advise against you moving here to the USA:

Trump was the one who declared a national health emergency last year (for a supposed fake virus); and he lied to us about how serious this fake virus is (and then admitted he lied, but said he did it for our own good), and he also approved tens of billions of dollars for Big Pharma to develop vaccines, that he promised would be the best vaccines ever - and because of him, we got these Trump-approved Best-ever, Big Pharma Vaccines for a Fake Virus in record-breaking time (and paid for by US citizens like myself) !

I don't think the George Soros' cabal, nor Hilary Clinton, nor the Illuminati (nor China) had much to do with Trump's Operation Warp Speed and with development of Trump's Big Pharma vaccines! And since he is now trying to take over control of my nation - where he lost the presidential election - and he once again would put big-business elites in charge of our nation, I'm thinking THE USA IS NOT THE COUNTRY you want to come to if you value your freedoms!

So, best of luck in your move to Serbia - as far as I can tell, the Yijing approves of your move!
Yes brother we can agree to disagree on many things . But I’m more interested in people who are willing to fight for their freedom I don’t care what political party they are part of. Or what they are being labeled. At this point “they” would call me far right for my knowing of whats going on with this “virus” —-which is just a division tactic . I’m not part of any political party. In fact on paper I’m a gay liberal Jew so. My grandmother is a survivor of the Holocaust and she is the first to say what’s going on now feels awfully like the beginning stages of fascism. The censorship of what the media calls “misinformation “ ( look up dr. Robert Malone- inventor of mRNA— blocked on Twitter and platforms ) and so many other brave scientists and doctors who are risking their careers to spread awareness about the dangers of these shots. Or how about if you have a bad reaction to a shot on Facebook— it will immediately get censored. You can’t even speak about it. How is this ok? How is this democracy? Then add in the segregation that’s happening (about to happen) with those who want to go the natural path. . I don’t care if you are vaccinated or not every human should be worried when the government starts to mandate what we put in our bodies. But with the reading I do feel you are right about switching one corrupted nation for a another .. there is for sure a lot of corruption in Serbia. A different type from Canada. For instance: To the point of bribing officials to just get electricity hooked up in a house (a story of my partners). Basically lots of bribing. But in the end it’s full of resources and it’s a nation of ppl who are proud of their country and welcoming. May I ask one more thing ... What do you think the hexagram 56 means for the future .
 

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.... But I’m more interested in people who are willing to fight for their freedom ....

And all of the above is your opinion and that's all it is. It has nothing to do with your reading. Good luck in Serbia. You can fight for your freedom all you want while you're there.
 
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And all of the above is your opinion and that's all it is. It has nothing to do with your reading. Good luck in Serbia. You can fight for your freedom all you want while you're there.
Lol man again the cognitive dissonance is insane with you. The censorship that’s happening is not an opinion. Wake up bro. Holy shit. A family member or yours could die tomorrow of the vaccine (without a doubt being the vaccine) a day after they get it and you’ll say it’s opinion. That’s how far gone you are . So frightening . It could hit you straight in the face and you’ll still refuse to see it. Trust me it’s a lot easier believing this is only about a virus and the governments are here protecting the world. It’s a nice thought. Just stay safe and you’ll be fine following all the rules like a blind sheep being led to slaughter .
 

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The censorship that’s happening is not an opinion
What I'm saying to you is you got the answer to your reading. All else i may think is really none of your business, so move on. And just so you know, nothing you say here is very original or intelligent - I've heard it all before, man. That's it.
 

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