22.3.6 > 24 life partner potential

[danceofthegods]

Hello all. I'm new and this is my first posting. I've been reading a lot and learning so thank you to everyone who asks and who answers. I hope you can help me with this answer which had me stumped.

So I've been wondering about meeting my soul mate/ life partner. I'm ok with not meeting him right now or soon but someone I met three months ago, well we hit it off and in an intense emotional way. We were attracted to each other but there are lots of obstacles to us being together since he is in a relationship. But I already started to have feelings and then it was all too emotional from there and I started to fantasise and hope for what realistically seems impossible.

I cannot stop thinking about him and anyway Yi seemed to be saying from other castings that I need to be open and wait it out and good things will happen in regards to my life partner (kind of seemed to point to him but not sure if it was saying in general I would meet a man in due time).

Since readings seemed to be pointing positively towards him but i knew it was not possible, I asked "how can he possibly be my life partner?" and I got 22.3.6 to 24. I then asked "What am I not seeing in this situation regarding this man" and I got 22.3.4.5.6 to 17.

I've been reading all the commentaries on 22 but I just don't see how 22 can mean anything to this situation. Perhaps it means I am seeing only the outer shell of the situation and need to return to the center/my center? Or that I am seen well by him (22.3) and if I remain true to me and not ostentatious in my approach or demeanor, then there will be a return to the possibility of a relationship somehow? I just don't see how with his married state, anything can happen. Please advise.

 

[Rasalila]

To me 22 is saying that this is a superficial kind of relationship. How well do you actually know this person? The process of ending a marriage and then recovering from the end of marriage is a long and drawn out thing. People aren't usually in a good state to start another relationship until at least a year or more after a divorce. Maybe you're not looking realistically at the bigger, more substantial aspects of the situation. I think 22.3 is saying that your life is going really well right now which has made you a little over confident. This is from James DeKorne's site
Wing: You are in a moment of perfect grace, living a charmed existence. Do not allow such good fortune to make you indolent, for this would bring unhappiness. Continue to persevere in your endeavors and principles.
I would say, be careful. I've been down this road before of chasing a married man and it's never ended well.

 

[danceofthegods]

Thank you, Rasalila. I am in agreement with everything you say. We connected deeply emotionally but in a short space of time and although I've met him over a handful of times more than I wrote above (I had forgotten I had met him with friends before that), I really do not know him well enough at all. And yes, I agree that a divorce (if there should be one) is a a long process and arduous, I am sure and then there is the time after that to grieve, or recover, and heal.

I'm completely ready to wait and persevere if he is the one for me but if as you say, I am not looking at this realistically but from only a superficial stance (I like him, he likes me, let's make it happen no matter what simplistic viewpoint), then I need to wise up and get my heart to close that door. But every time I ask whether I should withdraw, I get a no type answer and when I ask if I should hope and persevere, I get a yes type answer, that I must give it time and everything will be resolved in its own time and resolved well. Not sure if resolved means we end up together or things amicably get ended and everyone is happy doing their own thing. I might be misinterpreting the castings but that's my take.

I thank you for your caution to be careful and the reminder that, yes, I am indeed living a charmed existence at this moment. It's kind of amazing. My life is great (not in every aspect as in romance or finances) but I am living peacefully and contentedly. I hope you too are well.

 

[Rasalila]

Your situation resonates with me because I spent three years pining after a married man. Like you, I received many hopeful readings from Yi, which is still very confusing to me. To make it even more confusing, one evening I cried out for the universe to give me a sign within 24 hours to either affirm that a relationship with him someday was possible or I would give up. The next morning I received a wrong number, asking for a man named Ezra(the same name of the man I was pining after). Since his name is a little unusual and I received that call within the 24 hour period I of course took that as an affirmation that I should continue to hold out hope. Two years passed and still nothing and still married. I don't know.

In the end I realized that my own peace of mind was the most important thing and obsessively thinking about this person was upsetting my equilibrium, so I made a concerted effort to put him out of my mind and enjoy my life. It wasn't easy, as I think I'd grown 'addicted' to thinking about him, but I also felt a growing sense of personal power every time I was tempted to think about him and shifted my thoughts instead. Also, when I was tempted to ask the I Ching yet again, I would stop myself and that also felt powerful.

There are SO MANY available men out there, it's a waste of your time and effort to chase after one that's unavailable. Turn that energy around to yourself, strengthen yourself, keep a journal of all that you're grateful for, fall in love with yourself and your life and the perfect person will magically appear out of nowhere. Best of luck to you!

 

[danceofthegods]

oh god, Thank you so much Rasalila. Thank you. I'm crying reading your situation and your advice to me. Thank you.

You know, I wonder if that sign you got was true but you read it the other way around. It was the WRONG number haha.

By the way, I just asked Yi "why is the universe making me wait so long?" and I got Hex 28.2.5 > 62

28.2 A withered poplar grows shoots. An old man gets a real woman as wife. Nothing that does not bear fruit.
28.5 A withered poplar grows foliage. An old woman gets a real man as husband. Without fault. Without honor.

The man in question is about ten years older than me. I am not very young anymore and not sure I can have kids, if we are taking this literally. I wonder what it could mean. I know the genders can be reversed and it can also be symbolic of emotions(female) and logic(male) but if you or anyone else has a take on this, please, I'd love to hear it. All my astrology charts and readings by monks and fortune tellers have said I should get married late otherwise, if I had gotten married early or at a "normal" age, it would definitely have ended in divorce for me. Well, I am well past the normal age. I'm not sure if I can even be the young wife as in 28.2 unless it is relative to a man who is much older than me. Any thoughts on what this casting means?

 

[Freedda]

Dance-O;

Some names for Hexagram 22 are 'Adornment' and 'Embellishing'.

I've never been a big fan of too much jewelery or too much dressing up - and I often judge it as being phony or fake, but that is my judegement alone, and not the Yi's.

In fact, we find 'dressing up' - to attract something or someone - a basic function of nature: we have plants putting on their flowery makeup and perfume to attract just the right bee or insect, or male birds putting on their feathered finery - all with the notion of procreation, spreading one's seed, finding a mate, and furthering the species.

In the realm of romance - which is what you're asking about here - maybe this reading is telling you about all the 'embellishments' at play in your particular dance. So, it could be that this guy has put on his own embellishments, to look, say, sexy, or weathly, or spiritual, or artistic, or free (even anarchists have their finery I suppose). That in itself is not bad, it just is.

And to this you've likely draped him with your own mardi gras beads and bangles: that he is ... (dot dot dot) whatever it is you think you want him or need him to be ... and you've now even given all this dressing up a label of 'soul mate' (and if that's not dressing someone up to play make believe, I don't know what is!)

And this too might not necessarily be a bad thing, bit with all this dressing up, can you see what or who is real - for either or both of you?

So, perhaps the Yi is asking you, first, to see or acknowldge that there are all these embellishments but second, that these don't necessarity preclude a real romance, and third, that perhaps you need to get past both his and your jewelery and dressing-up to see what the real potential is here - a.k.a. get to know this person. This could be what line 22.6 is calling 'plain white elegance.'

You might also ask: what is going to make you really happy? I'm not talking about the finery or dress-up or perfume that you think will make you happy, but to ask, what will give you real happiness.

One image the hexgram may be showing us is that of a small, quite village nested within the arm of a mountain, with its home lights and fires glowing in the dark. So perhaps could it be showing us/you what you might actually be seeking? (and I may also be taking a wild leap here, so don't take it if it doesn't fit): a safe home, where the hearth stays lit to both warm you and show you the way back if you get lost?

Best, D.

 

[Rasalila]

oh god, Thank you so much Rasalila. Thank you. I'm crying reading your situation and your advice to me. Thank you.

You know, I wonder if that sign you got was true but you read it the other way around. It was the WRONG number haha.

By the way, I just asked Yi "why is the universe making me wait so long?" and I got Hex 28.2.5 > 62

28.2 A withered poplar grows shoots. An old man gets a real woman as wife. Nothing that does not bear fruit.
28.5 A withered poplar grows foliage. An old woman gets a real man as husband. Without fault. Without honor.

The man in question is about ten years older than me. I am not very young anymore and not sure I can have kids, if we are taking this literally. I wonder what it could mean. I know the genders can be reversed and it can also be symbolic of emotions(female) and logic(male) but if you or anyone else has a take on this, please, I'd love to hear it. All my astrology charts and readings by monks and fortune tellers have said I should get married late otherwise, if I had gotten married early or at a "normal" age, it would definitely have ended in divorce for me. Well, I am well past the normal age. I'm not sure if I can even be the young wife as in 28.2 unless it is relative to a man who is much older than me. Any thoughts on what this casting means?

Wow, what an interesting reading! I've gotten 28.2 when I literally have been asking about being with an older man, but I've also gotten it under different circumstances. To me, that line is more about expecting invigoration and a breath of fresh air, but it's contradicted by the other changing line which is a warning about doing something inappropriate. 28 is about staying strong and grounded through your periods of growth and transformation. I don't know what you're going through right now, but often when one is about to make a spiritual breakthrough, some temptation will come along that could have the potential of ruining the progress made. Here's a quote from James DeKorne's site about hex 28
When the transformative path is flourishing, contaminations easily arise; it is best to set up guidelines and regulations. When meditation work is advanced, ignorance is about to dissolve; it is best to exercise the mind skillfully.
This is saying to me that you should Be Careful now. Take heed. Falling for a married guy is dangerous for your own emotional health. Sounds like you're in a place to make some real changes in your life, don't get distracted by the fantasy of romantic love.
I think that second changing line is very hopeful that if you stand strong in yourself, go it alone, that there will be a renewal, a flourishing of your spiritual life. The fifth line is warning that if you let your emotions take over, you could end up doing something inappropriate that would adversely affect the progress you've made so far.
The corresponding hex 62 reinforces that you should stay low and humble, and not attempt anything crazy(like chasing after a married guy
I think you're being 'forced' to wait because you have an extraordinary destiny and the waiting is strengthening your inner resolve. This is a positive reading, IMO, not that you'll get the guy but that by waiting you are made even stronger and your reward will be that much sweeter in the end. And maybe it's not that you're being forced to wait, but that waiting is what's actually part of the highest and best plan for your life. Maybe being forced to wait is actually the best thing for your soul. Often what we need is different from what we want.

 

[danceofthegods]

Dance-O;

Some names for Hexagram 22 are 'Adornment' and 'Embellishing'.

I've never been a big fan of too much jewelery or too much dressing up - and I often judge it as being phony or fake, but that is my judegement alone, and not the Yi's.

In fact, we find 'dressing up' - to attract something or someone - a basic function of nature: we have plants putting on their flowery makeup and perfume to attract just the right bee or insect, or male birds putting on their feathered finery - all with the notion of procreation, spreading one's seed, finding a mate, and furthering the species.

In the realm of romance - which is what you're asking about here - maybe this reading is telling you about all the 'embellishments' at play in your particular dance. So, it could be that this guy has put on his own embellishments, to look, say, sexy, or weathly, or spiritual, or artistic, or free (even anarchists have their finery I suppose). That in itself is not bad, it just is.

And to this you've likely draped him with your own mardi gras beads and bangles: that he is ... (dot dot dot) whatever it is you think you want him or need him to be ... and you've now even given all this dressing up a label of 'soul mate' (and if that's not dressing someone up to play make believe, I don't know what is!)

And this too might not necessarily be a bad thing, bit with all this dressing up, can you see what or who is real - for either or both of you?

So, perhaps the Yi is asking you, first, to see or acknowldge that there are all these embellishments but second, that these don't necessarity preclude a real romance, and third, that perhaps you need to get past both his and your jewelery and dressing-up to see what the real potential is here - a.k.a. get to know this person. This could be what line 22.6 is calling 'plain white elegance.'

You might also ask: what is going to make you really happy? I'm not talking about the finery or dress-up or perfume that you think will make you happy, but to ask, what will give you real happiness.

One image the hexgram may be showing us is that of a small, quite village nested within the arm of a mountain, with its home lights and fires glowing in the dark. So perhaps could it be showing us/you what you might actually be seeking? (and I may also be taking a wild leap here, so don't take it if it doesn't fit): a safe home, where the hearth stays lit to both warm you and show you the way back if you get lost?

Best, D.

wow, thank you for that insightful reading. The fact that you mentioned the small, quiet village under the foot of a mountain blew my mind. I ask because I am contemplating a move to a similar place. When I image a life partner, or my need/desire for one, it is that of coming home after a long day of work, and the light is on and someone welcomes me warmly when I walk in, or vice versa, I make the home nice and inviting with good food to welcome my love into our hearth.

And yes, what you said about embellishments is very good - it finally lets me see what 22 means for my situation. He did embellish himself as wealthy, successful, spiritual, etc. I did embellish him all the more with my fantasies about how gentle and kind he is and how perfect for me etc, even as I did this I knew I was embellishing but I could not help myself, I was so starved then of good men in my life. Thank you for reminding me that this in and of itself is not bad in the dance of mating and life but that it maybe be obscuring the real person and worth underneath (both his and mine). I think we both have idealized images of each other. He is starved for romance and love. I am starved for being valued and loved and wanted.

I do want to ask you how you see all this in light of the fact that he is married?

 

[danceofthegods]

Wow, what an interesting reading! I've gotten 28.2 when I literally have been asking about being with an older man, but I've also gotten it under different circumstances. To me, that line is more about expecting invigoration and a breath of fresh air, but it's contradicted by the other changing line which is a warning about doing something inappropriate. 28 is about staying strong and grounded through your periods of growth and transformation. I don't know what you're going through right now, but often when one is about to make a spiritual breakthrough, some temptation will come along that could have the potential of ruining the progress made. Here's a quote from James DeKorne's site about hex 28
When the transformative path is flourishing, contaminations easily arise; it is best to set up guidelines and regulations. When meditation work is advanced, ignorance is about to dissolve; it is best to exercise the mind skillfully.
This is saying to me that you should Be Careful now. Take heed. Falling for a married guy is dangerous for your own emotional health. Sounds like you're in a place to make some real changes in your life, don't get distracted by the fantasy of romantic love.
I think that second changing line is very hopeful that if you stand strong in yourself, go it alone, that there will be a renewal, a flourishing of your spiritual life. The fifth line is warning that if you let your emotions take over, you could end up doing something inappropriate that would adversely affect the progress you've made so far.
The corresponding hex 62 reinforces that you should stay low and humble, and not attempt anything crazy(like chasing after a married guy
I think you're being 'forced' to wait because you have an extraordinary destiny and the waiting is strengthening your inner resolve. This is a positive reading, IMO, not that you'll get the guy but that by waiting you are made even stronger and your reward will be that much sweeter in the end. And maybe it's not that you're being forced to wait, but that waiting is what's actually part of the highest and best plan for your life. Maybe being forced to wait is actually the best thing for your soul. Often what we need is different from what we want.

I've actually gotten those two contradicting lines at least once now from hex 28 regarding this man. So strange. I unfortunately do not remember what the question was that time. I've always been dabbling in sprituality and meditation but it was done here and there always in the background of my life, always on my mind but not forefront. But because of the heartache caused by meeting this wonderful (or so i thought) man whom I cannot have (married), I was put into a state of turmoil. And i resolved to know why this pattern (for it has happened before where I liked men who were about to be married or too young for me, or not acceptable for me in my mind), and I saw that it was a pattern of my creation, and it caused me pain. So i needed to get to the heart of the matter so I have started meditation a little again and looking up trauma and all sorts of things to address my core beliefs that keep me back. I have made some headway. I know there is a lot more work to do, so what you said really resonated with me. It's like you know my mind somehow.

The recent readings I got two days ago said to me that I need to wait but if I do, it will all be well and the waiting worth it. It was very very positive. And exactly what you wrote. It is also something I deep down believe is true of my life. I am so thankful to you for saying that I have an extraordinary destiny, but what do you mean by extraordinary? Just that as in not ordinary, different? or special and bigger than normal? I ask because I was named by a fortuneteller based on my astrology chart and it means extraordinary, strange, unique, commendable. And another said I have big capacity (big bowl) which means I cannot be with a man who has a small bowl (bowl means many things but the capacity to understand, earn money, accept, hold, think etc). I'm so lazy and in my fantasy land mind and not successful financially that I wonder that I have a big bowl but he was adamant, and some other people (ex bf and mother) have said the same of me. That I'm like a big wheel. It takes FOREVER to get me to budge but once I have traction, nothing can stop me. Well, I'm not there yet, for sure. I'm still not budged but I feel about to be.

Also, interesting to note that Rasa Lila and Dance of the Gods are the same meaning. I'm honored to have met you here.

 

[Freedda]

For someone to be spiritual or successful are not of course bad things unto themselves, but I think you need to look at and maybe redefine what it means to be spiritual or successful. And of course to see if those are real or just for 'show'.

I just reread your first post, and I don't see where you said he's married - did I miss something here? Also, I've only read where you have a bit of a mutal 'attraction' but what does that mean? Did he make commitments to you? From what I read you hardly know him and have had very little interaction. So, I'm a bit confused???

 

[danceofthegods]

For someone to be spiritual or successful are not of course bad things unto themselves, but I think you need to look at and maybe redefine what it means to be spiritual or successful. And of course to see if those are real or just for 'show'.

I just reread your first post, and I don't see where you said he's married - did I miss something here? Also, I've only read where you have a bit of a mutal 'attraction' but what does that mean? Did he make commitments to you? From what I read you hardly know him and have had very little interaction. So, I'm a bit confused???

Yes, you're right!! How funny you should ask me to consider if the success and spirituality are just an embellishment or not because I was beginning to wonder that myself. He is successful in a way, and he is spiritual in a way, but in what way, I'm not really sure anymore. I actually WAS wondering if he had said things to me for the "show" effect re: his spirituality and success. That is what I've been wondering about so it's really good that you remind me to think of that more to see what is real and what is not. To see the nature of things, unembellished.

I don't know him well but I've met him a couple of times and we had long talks and he expressed liking me but definitely no commitments. I asked for none, but he intimated a desire to be with me but I declined for moral reasons of my own. Then a few weeks later he said he could not because of his other relationship. As Rasalila said above, there are SO MANY men out there who are single and might be interested in me, why am I focused on the man (men) I cannot have who are already committed? It just seems to speak to my weakness and inability to love myself enough to see things clearly and get what I need in life.

 

[Freedda]

I 'fall in love' with (e.g. I am attracted to) married women almost on a daily basis. But I usuall keep it in the realm of what is real, e.g. they are married and are not interested in me in 'that way.'

It seems that even with all his 'embellishments' this guy was honest with you: he admitted his attraction, but also told you he's unavailable because he's already in a relationship.

The reading then could be about your 'embellishments' (not his) and how to get real with them. I don't read more into it than that (that's more than enough I'd say!).

Best, D.

 

[danceofthegods]

Dance-O;

Some names for Hexagram 22 are 'Adornment' and 'Embellishing'.

I've never been a big fan of too much jewelery or too much dressing up - and I often judge it as being phony or fake, but that is my judegement alone, and not the Yi's.

In fact, we find 'dressing up' - to attract something or someone - a basic function of nature: we have plants putting on their flowery makeup and perfume to attract just the right bee or insect, or male birds putting on their feathered finery - all with the notion of procreation, spreading one's seed, finding a mate, and furthering the species.

In the realm of romance - which is what you're asking about here - maybe this reading is telling you about all the 'embellishments' at play in your particular dance. So, it could be that this guy has put on his own embellishments, to look, say, sexy, or weathly, or spiritual, or artistic, or free (even anarchists have their finery I suppose). That in itself is not bad, it just is.

And to this you've likely draped him with your own mardi gras beads and bangles: that he is ... (dot dot dot) whatever it is you think you want him or need him to be ... and you've now even given all this dressing up a label of 'soul mate' (and if that's not dressing someone up to play make believe, I don't know what is!)

And this too might not necessarily be a bad thing, bit with all this dressing up, can you see what or who is real - for either or both of you?

So, perhaps the Yi is asking you, first, to see or acknowldge that there are all these embellishments but second, that these don't necessarity preclude a real romance, and third, that perhaps you need to get past both his and your jewelery and dressing-up to see what the real potential is here - a.k.a. get to know this person. This could be what line 22.6 is calling 'plain white elegance.'

You might also ask: what is going to make you really happy? I'm not talking about the finery or dress-up or perfume that you think will make you happy, but to ask, what will give you real happiness.

One image the hexgram may be showing us is that of a small, quite village nested within the arm of a mountain, with its home lights and fires glowing in the dark. So perhaps could it be showing us/you what you might actually be seeking? (and I may also be taking a wild leap here, so don't take it if it doesn't fit): a safe home, where the hearth stays lit to both warm you and show you the way back if you get lost?

Best, D.

Whoa, I just asked "What will bring me real and true happiness in life" and i got 33 unchanging. So I take this to mean I must retreat into being a hermit (of a sort) to stay away from bad influences to be truly happy? That would mean always to be alone. Maybe to become a monk myself, which I have considered lightly and before that when I was a child I considered being a nun, but that was discarded. I do want to live in this world, I don't want to escape it into a monastery. What does this hexagram mean?

EDIT: I will make this a separate thread.

 

[danceofthegods]

I 'fall in love' with (e.g. I am attracted to) married women almost on a daily basis. But I usuall keep it in the realm of what is real, e.g. they are married and are not interested in me in 'that way.'

It seems that even with all his 'embellishments' this guy was honest with you: he admitted his attraction, but also told you he's unavailable because he's already in a relationship.

The reading then could be about your 'embellishments' (not his) and how to get real with them. I don't read more into it than that (that's more than enough I'd say!).

Best, D.

Thank you so much for your kind advice and thoughts on this personal matter of mine. I appreciate it greatly. You don't need to say any more as you have helped me and pointed me to what I should direct my thoughts to. I'm grateful.

 

[danceofthegods]

Referring to my original post:
So then I asked "how can he be my life partner?" and I got 22.3.6 to 24. I then asked "What am I not seeing in this situation regarding this man" and I got 22.3.4.5.6 to 17.

I think the 22 refers to the fact that I am making him out to be my life partner by putting that costume on him, regardless of whether he is or not. I am making believe, and 22.6 means I should see things in their plain light, and return to the center of truth (hex 24).

What I am not seeing in this situation is how much I am making him into what I want him to be (22.3.4.5.6 > 17), but I do not know how 17 Following ties into this reading. Can anyone help?:
and how about line 22.4:
Line-4
Legge: The fourth line, magnetic, shows one looking as if adorned, but only in white. As if mounted on a white horse, and furnished with wings, she seeks union with the subject of the first line, while the intervening third pursues, not as a robber, but intent on a matrimonial alliance.
Wilhelm/Baynes: Grace or simplicity? A white horse comes as if on wings. He is not a robber, he will woo at the right time.
A. You don't understand the matter at hand. Unseen forces are working toward unity however, and clarity will eventually dawn.

B. The image suggests the gestation of a creative idea.

C. Don't complicate the situation -- a creative solution will mature in the course of time.


Also, as to my own embellishments, and how to be real with them....hm...That's harder to figure out. I mean, of course I embellish myself. Literally and figuratively. To attract and be liked. Perhaps I rely too much on this, is that it is saying, and I should return to my center and thus know that I don't need to be more than who I am inside, and outside? Just be me.

 

[Freedda]

I just asked "What will bring me real and true happiness in life" and i got 33 unchanging. So I take this to mean I must retreat into being a hermit (of a sort) .... ?

Dance-O, a few things:

First, you don't always have to quote the entirety of what someone else wrote - since it can usually be found just a post or two above what your writing! I often edit or pare them down to just the point I want to address, such as I've don't here.

Second, I'd offer a bit of caution in 'Yi-jumping' - that is asking question upon question upon question without really taking the time to understand what a reading is telling you.

Finally ... 33 for me can be about perspective - and how far away or close to something do we need to be to get proper perspective on it? The two 3-line figures, called trigrams, that make up 33 are Mountain below Heaven (or the sky), so you can stand really close to the mountain and all you see are the rocks and roots, or you can stand so far back that the mountains just become blips on the landscape.

Or, it could be about what things we hold (or should hold) close to us, and which we keep (or should keep) at a distance. Neither is always or completely right or wrong, so we're only asked to consider what perspective or view we're taking about something.

Maybe as in: do you hold looking at your own 'embellishing' at such as distance that you no longer need to, or can, really see it, or do you look at that reading more up close, and take it in?

That could be one take ... or, you could simply do another reading and ask 'what does 33 mean?'

Best, D.

 

[danceofthegods]

First, you don't always have to quote the entirety of what someone else wrote - since it can usually be found just a post or two above what your writing! \

Best, D.

Ah yes I am getting the hang of things here slowly. Thanks I will do that!

 

[danceofthegods]

Please can somebody help me learn what this line means? The man is married.
Referring to my original post:
So then I asked "how can he be my life partner?" and I got 22.3.6 to 24. I then asked "What am I not seeing in this situation regarding this man" and I got 22.3.4.5.6 to 17.

What I am not seeing in this situation is how much I am making him into what I want him to be (22.3.4.5.6 > 17), but I do not know how 17 Following ties into this reading. Can anyone help?:
and how about line 22.4:
Line-4
Legge: The fourth line, magnetic, shows one looking as if adorned, but only in white. As if mounted on a white horse, and furnished with wings, she seeks union with the subject of the first line, while the intervening third pursues, not as a robber, but intent on a matrimonial alliance.
Wilhelm/Baynes: Grace or simplicity? A white horse comes as if on wings. He is not a robber, he will woo at the right time.
A. You don't understand the matter at hand. Unseen forces are working toward unity however, and clarity will eventually dawn.

B. The image suggests the gestation of a creative idea.

C. Don't complicate the situation -- a creative solution will mature in the course of time.

 

[Rasalila]

Whoa, I just asked "What will bring me real and true happiness in life" and i got 33 unchanging. So I take this to mean I must retreat into being a hermit (of a sort) to stay away from bad influences to be truly happy? That would mean always to be alone. Maybe to become a monk myself, which I have considered lightly and before that when I was a child I considered being a nun, but that was discarded. I do want to live in this world, I don't want to escape it into a monastery. What does this hexagram mean?

EDIT: I will make this a separate thread.

I don't think the I Ching is telling you to become a monk. I've gotten this one a lot when I've been pushing and pushing, looking restlessly for an answer to something in the future. I think it's just saying, calm down, detach from everything that's freaking you out right now, take a breath.

The question, what will bring me happiness in life, is implying that you need something different to happen in the future in order for you to be happy. But happiness is only in this moment, only ever in this moment. You get to a happy future by being happy in the present. Does that make sense? I highly recommend Byron Katie's inquiry process of examining your thoughts. You should check her out, she's really helped me.

 

[Rasalila]

I've actually gotten those two contradicting lines at least once now from hex 28 regarding this man. So strange. I unfortunately do not remember what the question was that time. I've always been dabbling in sprituality and meditation but it was done here and there always in the background of my life, always on my mind but not forefront. But because of the heartache caused by meeting this wonderful (or so i thought) man whom I cannot have (married), I was put into a state of turmoil. And i resolved to know why this pattern (for it has happened before where I liked men who were about to be married or too young for me, or not acceptable for me in my mind), and I saw that it was a pattern of my creation, and it caused me pain. So i needed to get to the heart of the matter so I have started meditation a little again and looking up trauma and all sorts of things to address my core beliefs that keep me back. I have made some headway. I know there is a lot more work to do, so what you said really resonated with me. It's like you know my mind somehow.

The recent readings I got two days ago said to me that I need to wait but if I do, it will all be well and the waiting worth it. It was very very positive. And exactly what you wrote. It is also something I deep down believe is true of my life. I am so thankful to you for saying that I have an extraordinary destiny, but what do you mean by extraordinary? Just that as in not ordinary, different? or special and bigger than normal? I ask because I was named by a fortuneteller based on my astrology chart and it means extraordinary, strange, unique, commendable. And another said I have big capacity (big bowl) which means I cannot be with a man who has a small bowl (bowl means many things but the capacity to understand, earn money, accept, hold, think etc). I'm so lazy and in my fantasy land mind and not successful financially that I wonder that I have a big bowl but he was adamant, and some other people (ex bf and mother) have said the same of me. That I'm like a big wheel. It takes FOREVER to get me to budge but once I have traction, nothing can stop me. Well, I'm not there yet, for sure. I'm still not budged but I feel about to be.

Also, interesting to note that Rasa Lila and Dance of the Gods are the same meaning. I'm honored to have met you here.

Extraordinary is the vibe I'm getting from you. Often, when people have had less than perfect lives, it builds up a potential energy that, when it's released, is very powerful because of how long one has been restrained. It's like water building up behind a dam and then being suddenly released. I went through three years of obsessive compulsive hell about the married man I was interested in. I did the work, healed my mind, connected with Spirit and all of a sudden it was like my potential was unleashed big time. The longer you go through hell, the sweeter it is when you get out and the universe rewards you for doing the work. Meditation is the key. Meditation and inquiry into the incessant thought stream.

 

[Rasalila]

For someone to be spiritual or successful are not of course bad things unto themselves, but I think you need to look at and maybe redefine what it means to be spiritual or successful. And of course to see if those are real or just for 'show'.

I just reread your first post, and I don't see where you said he's married - did I miss something here? Also, I've only read where you have a bit of a mutal 'attraction' but what does that mean? Did he make commitments to you? From what I read you hardly know him and have had very little interaction. So, I'm a bit confused???

here's the last sentence on the first post that let me know he was married, just fyi:
I just don't see how with his married state, anything can happen. Please advise.

 

[Liselle]

Yi seemed to be saying from other castings that I need to be 25 and open and wait it out and good things will happen in regards to my life partner (kind of seemed to point to him but not sure if it was saying in general I would meet a man in due time)

One tiny little part of this - 25 generally means to "disentangle," not that good things will happen if you wait. If this is still relevant (there was a long thread after it, after all), would you mind saying where you got this interpretation?

Edited - actually, Dance, please would you tell us, whether or not the reading's still important to you? I think it's wrong, and I'd be interested to know where it came from. Thanks.

 

[danceofthegods]

One tiny little part of this - 25 generally means to "disentangle," not that good things will happen if you wait. If this is still relevant (there was a long thread after it, after all), would you mind saying where you got this interpretation?

Edited - actually, Dance, please would you tell us, whether or not the reading's still important to you? I think it's wrong, and I'd be interested to know where it came from. Thanks.

Thanks for replying. I don't mean 25 means good things will happen actually. 25 was just saying don't be attached to outcomes, don't be attached.
There were other hexagrams and changing lines from other hexagrams to indicate the waiting and the good outcome. If you want, I can go back to my notes and post it all but, I did not get that from 25.

 

[danceofthegods]

Edited - actually, Dance, please would you tell us, whether or not the reading's still important to you? I think it's wrong, and I'd be interested to know where it came from. Thanks.

Thank you, and YES I am still interested in someone helping me interpret 22.4 if possible because it mentions a marital suitor.

 

[Freedda]

The text of 25 seems pretty clear to me: that to have some persistence is a good thing. But that we need to do this with a sense of integrity (and perhaps honesty?) to keep from suffering - and maybe to keep others from suffering as well. It suggests a time of reflection - maybe a time of looking inward and not just on the next thing to do or next place to go?

Best, D.

 

[Liselle]

Thanks, Dance, am relieved to know there's nothing out there saying 25 means to wait for good things...

 

[Freedda]

Dance, I don't mean to be mean, but you've now presented us with at least three hexagrams and five moving lines, and from the outside ... well, it seems a bit obsessive, as if you are fishing for something or wanting the answer to be something other than what it is - or that perhaps you're trying to conjure up a marital suitor out of all this?

One way of looking at many moving lines (as in four or more) is to think of them as perhaps exaggerated, maybe too much energy at play. So, all those moving lines when you're looking at how you might overly 'adorn' or embellish things - like trying to turn a married man into your mate?

For one of your queries you have three moving lines in the upper trigram, mountain, which might mean, what? That you're stuck and not able to move, or perhaps stuck on something from your past?

If that feels right at all ... otherwise I feel you might be giving yourself too much to easily make sense of.

 

[Liselle]

YES I am still interested in someone helping me interpret 22.4 if possible because it mentions a marital suitor.

Without giving all this nearly enough thought, I could maybe imagine something like, maybe he's modelling qualities you want in a husband? "Modelling something" seems 22-ish to me, and might be a way for him to be a "marital ally"* without ever being your actual husband? That might be far-fetched since you don't actually know him well, but maybe you were able to see something important in a short time?

I could imagine that part, seeing something important in a short time, as 22.3, maybe. Maybe even 22.6. Something important presented itself, in an honest, undisguised/undyed manner (22.6), in the brief encounters you had before the relationship (such as it was) evaporated (22.4 22.3).

The one relating hexagram, 17, might mean this is just one thing for you to follow in the present moment? You're further along, now, for having followed this. (When you follow something, you move along.) 24 also has a theme of being on a path: "Turning around and returning on your path" (quoting Hilary).

24 can also be a turning point, an inflection. So, "how can he be my life partner?" - by turning your "what do I want in a husband" direction a bit? "What am I not seeing in this situation...?" 17, that it was just for the moment he's not an enduring resource to keep drawing on.

I hope that's semi-coherent (I really should be asleep instead of trying to post ). Not sure how "correct" it is or isn't, of course.

 

[Liselle]

"marital ally"*

* "marital ally" is Hilary's translation. But "suitor" could be similar. A woman could have multiple "suitors" in her life, and she may start out thinking of them as potential husbands, until she discards them and marries only the last, best one. Am vaguely thinking of how people say, "Well, at some point I realized I wasn't going to marry him, so is there any point in dating anymore."

Contrast that with, say, middle school or high school boyfriends who you might "date" for the sake of dating and having fun without ever once thinking in terms of marriage. (Obviously this doesn't include couples who meet in 7th grade and stay together for the rest of their lives.)

 

[danceofthegods]

Dance, I don't mean to be mean, but you've now presented us with at least three hexagrams and five moving lines, and from the outside ... well, it seems a bit obsessive, as if you are fishing for something or wanting the answer to be something other than what it is - or that perhaps you're trying to conjure up a marital suitor out of all this?

One way of looking at many moving lines (as in four or more) is to think of them as perhaps exaggerated, maybe too much energy at play. So, all those moving lines when you're looking at how you might overly 'adorn' or embellish things - like trying to turn a married man into your mate?

For one of your queries you have three moving lines in the upper trigram, mountain, which might mean, what? That you're stuck and not able to move, or perhaps stuck on something from your past?

Don't worry I don't take it as mean. You're right, there is an element of obssession on my part in regards to this situation. I am fishing because I do want it to be a certain way and I am not happy because deep down I know my wanting something is not really my needing it or it being for my higher good, least of all it not being a possibility. Talking about it here is helping!

Thank you for the insight on the number of moving lines meaning a certain thing. I had no idea about that before reading it on this website! So many lines moving means a lot of energy, a lot of flux, right? I get that about 4 moving lines.

I am not really following how having 3 moving lines means I am stuck...I thought having no moving lines means the situation is as it is, unmoving, not 3 moving lines.