22.3.6 > 24

[purloiner]

Helloooooo

The answers to my questions of the IC of late have all indicated that something important is returning. The questions were about relationships, so not work or health related.

So I decided to ask what the 'something important' is and I got 22.3.6 > 24.

In some of the other threads regarding 22 it would seem that it's quite an interesting hex to receive and since I'm consistantly being informed of the something important returning, I'm rather intrigued by it appearing now...

How do you guys interpet this one?

Thanks
purloiner

 

[purloiner]

Having read through a few translations and other threads on this, I think my answer lies more in the resulting hex, hex 24 (Return).

Wilhelm, for instance, speaks of a friend/friends returning, the return of understanding after an estrangement. So who knows, maybe there's still a chance that I'll get back together with X.

However, the Berkers translation puts it differently, in that, although "a friend returns" is mentioned in the hex text, the commentary says that I'm the one returning from what I was doing, for something better. Mmmmmmmmmm?

Richard Kunst, Edward Shaughnessy, Richard John Lynn, James Legge and Fu Youde all have similar variations of the same...

I would appreciate some input on this from the forum...

 

[lightofreason]

Ignoring any traditional method use to get the patterns you have - lines 3 and 6 are controlled by hexagram 52. As such we have here a description of the 52-ness of 22 where 22 covers facading - it includes beautfying but also a focus to distract attention away from the inside by jazzing-up the outside.

The expression of self-restraint/discernment (properties of 52) by 22 is expressed in a format identifiable by the characteristics of 24. 24 covers beginnings that include repetition, and so coming back, doing something again and again. This repetition covers what one does to express quality control/self-restraint. It reflects using the same make-up/look as it does using the same behaviour regardless of context. This can be useful (setting a new trend/quality etc) but this can also reflect neurosis where the repetition regardess of context can cause issues where behaviour and context dont 'fit'; the look has become a universal and we try to fit it into some local context without customisation.

Chris.

 

[purloiner]

Thanks for responding Chris...I have a question regarding your statement below.

Ignoring any traditional method use to get the patterns you have - lines 3 and 6 are controlled by hexagram 52.

Isn't line 6 controlled by 62 as mentioned on this page?

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~ddiamond/hx22.html

...24 covers beginnings that include repetition, and so coming back, doing something again and again. This repetition covers what one does to express quality control/self-restraint...

I agree that this is the true meaning of 24 and that it's less about an estranged friend returning; instead it's a new friend arriving.

Thanks
purloiner

 

[lightofreason]

Thanks for responding Chris...I have a question regarding your statement below.



Isn't line 6 controlled by 62 as mentioned on this page?

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~ddiamond/hx22.html

That is from the focus on swapping trigrams. We have moved into being more precise than that these days - different website 10 years on ;-)

see http://members.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/lofting/x100101.html

The focus on swapping was about context and the elicitation of 'change'. Thus a change of 22 into 52 elicited by a context of 62. This pattern was useful but was also vague. As we uncover the properties of self-referencing so we get finer methods of extracting details about context/text relationships.

What the current formats cover having nothing to do with change per se but with aspects of a hexagram. This comes out of the analysis of properties of the method of self-referencing where we can get the I Ching to describe itself structurally.

Thus the focus on line POSITIONS 3 and 6 has nothing to do with the coin toss 'changing line' perspective covered in swapping. It does not matter if the content of the line positions is changing or not. The configuration of 3 and 6 makeup an aspect of a hexagram as in hexagram 52. This comes out of considering self-referencing and the wave form of making hexagrams (see http://members.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/WaveInterpret.html - thus to bring out the controller hexagram we 'yang' the line position where we convert potential to actual. We can interpret 52 as a composite hexagram made up of adding the qualities of 23 (line 6 controller) and 15 (line 3 controller).

If you derive a hexagram to represent a situation, that hexagram comes with aspects - consider the hexagram as a face and the aspects as facial expressions. Each facial expression is 'controlled' by some other hexagram bringing out the details. Thus if the face is '22-like' then the line position 3 and 6 focus brings out the 52-ness of 22 - how 22 will express 52 and that is through an expression linked with 24. We achieve this using XOR:

101001 - 22 hexagram under consideration
001001 - 52 aspect to be identified
---------- XOR
100000 - 24 aspect (52) expressed through 22 and so coloured by and colouring the expression of 22.

The Emotional I Ching brings out a hexagram describing a situation. From self-referencing we know that we can extract from that hexagram 63 aspects where these are described by line position relationships. Thus given any situation the whole of the I C is applicable with one hexagram being the 'best fit' and the others contributing to that expression.

If I get hex 22 then that describes the situation. I can then analyse details by XORing hexagrams such as 52 with 22 to give 24. This gives us the 52-ness of 22, how 22 expresses 52, and this is in a form described by analogy to the generic qualities of 24.

We can XOR 22 with 63 to give us a description of how 22 completes (we can use this to neutralise a situation we dont like by completing it 'early' and so not letting it develop) for example:

101001 - 22
101010 - 63
--------- XOR
000011 - 20

The completion of 22, its 63-ness, is in the form of being admired (hex 20) where one becomes a 'statue' if you like; standing 'out' and invigorating/motivating others - being an example. (the negative side is being made an example of).

The precision here is BETTER than using trigram swapping. Furthermore, the uncertainty of answering a question in the Emotional IC brings out extending a hexagram to a dodecagram form (12 lines) to try and describe the situation.

Thus we can have 22-52 which is a dodecagram of 101001-001001. We can apply details on this 12 line position form OR simplyfy by sticking to 6 lines.

Thus the 63-ness of 22-52 is:

101001-001001
101010-101010
------------------
000011-100011 20-42 (with admiration comes augmentation, we move 'up' a level)

This realm of dodecagrams is still being fleshed out as there is a LOT of information (4096 to 13+million as compare to hexagrams of 64-4096)

I have left the ddiamond site on the net for historical reasons as well as a backup for archives etc (my space is limited unless I move into a .com or .org set-up but I am not ready for that at the moment). The more up to date material for the IC is here:

http://members.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/myweb/newindex.html

and for IE browser only the 'IC+ help' page:

http://members.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/IChingPlus

Chris.

 

[willowfox]

So, if your question was concerning relationship then hex 24 would probably indicates that somebody new is coming into your life, a new love affair, a chance to regain that feeling of love after experiencing a dry spell.

 

[lightofreason]

So, if your question was concerning relationship then hex 24 would probably indicates that somebody new is coming into your life, a new love affair, a chance to regain that feeling of love after experiencing a dry spell.

The pure hexagram 24 covers the new beginning as well as a re-beginning. IN XOR, where 24 is expressed through some other hexagram, it brings out what a hexagram starts with or keeps coming back to. All hexagrams come with a spectrum describing rich details - all due to the self-referencing allowing us to get the IC to describe itself through analogies to itself (its hexagrams).

Thus the 24-ness of 22 is 52. 22 thus starts with, or we keep coming back to, a 'look' of stillness etc. (a blank face perhaps, something lacking in features and so in need of facading, a wall of concrete/stone in need of posters!?)

The relationships are symmetry and so the 52-ness of 22 is 24 but as analogy. The focus on XOR is on the GENERIC characteristics. Thus the 52-ness of 22 is described by analogy to generic of 24, as is the 24-ness of 22 described by analogy to generic of 52.

If you end up with a dodecagram then the best XOR seems to be to XOR each hexagram (we do this with trigrams so I see no issue at the moment with using hexagrams, one 'atop' the other, but there is more work to do here)

Chris.

 

[willowfox]

The pure hexagram 24 covers the new beginning as well as a re-beginning. IN XOR, where 24 is expressed through some other hexagram, it brings out what a hexagram starts with or keeps coming back to. All hexagrams come with a spectrum describing rich details - all due to the self-referencing allowing us to get the IC to describe itself through analogies to itself (its hexagrams).

Thus the 24-ness of 22 is 52. 22 thus starts with, or we keep coming back to, a 'look' of stillness etc. (a blank face perhaps, something lacking in features and so in need of facading, a wall of concrete/stone in need of posters!?)

The relationships are symmetry and so the 52-ness of 22 is 24 but as analogy. The focus on XOR is on the GENERIC characteristics. Thus the 52-ness of 22 is described by analogy to generic of 24, as is the 24-ness of 22 described by analogy to generic of 52.

If you end up with a dodecagram then the best XOR seems to be to XOR each hexagram (we do this with trigrams so I see no issue at the moment with using hexagrams, one 'atop' the other, but there is more work to do here)

Chris.

What exactly does this have to do with the answer that I gave this person? How does this answer the question asked?

 

[lightofreason]

What exactly does this have to do with the answer that I gave this person? How does this answer the question asked?

my reply was to your apparent reply to ME. Your post came after mine and was phrased in such a manner as to be read as if a question to me where 'you' was in its general form not particular form.

It read as if you were asking " so if one gets 24 then it means...."

Chris.

 

[purloiner]

So, if your question was concerning relationship then hex 24 would probably indicates that somebody new is coming into your life, a new love affair, a chance to regain that feeling of love after experiencing a dry spell.

Willowfox, my question to which I got the answer 22.3.6 > 24 wasn't about relationships per se. My exact question was "What is, the something significant returning?" What led me to ask this was the previous answers I got (about relationships) that mentioned a 'something significant' returning... It wasn't clear to me if it was a lost love returning or - as you mentioned - the feeling of being in love returning.

The pure hexagram 24 covers the new beginning as well as a re-beginning. IN XOR, where 24 is expressed through some other hexagram, it brings out what a hexagram starts with or keeps coming back to. All hexagrams come with a spectrum describing rich details - all due to the self-referencing allowing us to get the IC to describe itself through analogies to itself (its hexagrams).

Thus the 24-ness of 22 is 52. 22 thus starts with, or we keep coming back to, a 'look' of stillness etc. (a blank face perhaps, something lacking in features and so in need of facading, a wall of concrete/stone in need of posters!?)

...or perhaps even a clean slate?

After a week of reflecting, I feel - as Huang describes Hex 24 - that the situation that led up to all of this went to an extreme and alternated to the opposite, and that now is a time when the light that has been banished returns, which for me at the moment is a feeling of stillness as described by 52.

Hex 24 (in my situation) is less about a lost love or a feeling of love returning and more about starting over with a clean slate.

However, it may not end there, because Hex 24 also speaks of a friend / friends arriving, which in my case is yet to occur, but I think that because it appears toward the middle of the Decision text is significant in this regard. So the friend returing may turn into a relationship, but I think the essence of Hex 24 has a lot to do with the situation surrounding the question asked and one has to allow for a certain amount of time to pass as suggested by the 'seven days' to fully understand the interpretation.

The latest Hex I got this week regarding "What's going on?" I got was 17 unchanging...