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Hello again,:bows:
I am in a tough spot financially and being disappointed with people lately, very uneasy of letting others in.
I was rebuked for not asking help many times but I hate feeling like a charity case, especially when unable to return adequately a favor.
There is this man with whom I talked a lot and than on one occasion he cut me off rudely so we stopped communicating but lately he was bored and started commenting on my fb posts in a way I found to be unnecessary sarcastic and he just made me think less of him.
But now he is offering help and since I am not sure of his motives and getting quite paranoid with people in general, I asked
What do I need to know about XY? 24.2,3 >11
I got from this that he returns in peace :)
Not seen many said here on 24.3, so posting if someone can help with their experience with this line...am I to gather that past will repeat again, we bicker, or not to think too much of it because it is how things work sometimes and friendships (if it is to be one) have their curves and that is all?
I am inclined to follow my pre-NY`s decision, which is to stop making my life more difficult and just accept help and not care about anything really deeply, so Inclined to see this as a good thing.
Many thanks, d.
 
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Hello,

I found this text about line 3, maybe it helps:
Line 3 always puts goodness in its heart; even though the returning process is stern and cruel, no calamity or fault will befall it.

Hex 11, peace and harmony, so it sounds good to me.
Good luck!
 
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Hi Dragona,

A very tentative comment...this is one of those where at first glance I'm a bit unsure if Yi's answering your question directly (describing this man XY), or giving instructions to you, or talking about the general situation.

Most of the time, Yi answers questions directly, but not always, and how it's answering could make a big difference in what action to take.

For example, if the reading is sidestepping XY to talk about your general situation, it could mean that your current difficulties aren't quite as dire as they seem. That will probably sound ridiculous to you - but you've been in bad spots before, if I remember correctly, and you're still here. The reading could be saying, 24.2 - "take it easy, Dragona," 24.3 - "this is just one more mess like all the other messes" (that you have actually gotten through).

That's a guess, though, and could easily be wrong.
 

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One more point...I have to disagree a bit with Gnichi (sorry, Gnichi). People on this forum have spent much time trying to dispel the idea that hexagram 11 means "peace and harmony." That translation is from Wilhelm, but a lot of people think Wilhelm didn't get that one quite right. People often experience 11 as "dynamic flow," possibly feeling like your footing is being swept out from under you, or something like that.

Having said that, it's your relating hexagram, not your answer. The relating hexagram is often seen as the background or context - so it might mean that's how your life feels right now.
 

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Thank you, yes Flow is how hex 11 is called in Hilary`s book..but I see it as a positive like intentions, shall we say...skies and earth is fluctuating into settling down in a spring wind, hah, I see it happening something like that....
about my problems, they are still not resolved and I am feeling very saddened and depressed as a result how things unwrapped and still are....and I am very tired. Prone to do drastic things as situation is about to get such. Nothing is settling here, hardly feels like a good flow, more like a blockage.
I always try to remember that a reading is first and foremost about me, aming towards me or coming from me and that sometimes a reading looking easy, does not have to be such. Will know more tomorrow perhaps. But I firmly meant to ask this q. about the person, so my concentration on the cast was such - what do I need to know in relation about me and his personality.
 

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Hi Dragona,

A very tentative comment...this is one of those where at first glance I'm a bit unsure if Yi's answering your question directly (describing this man XY), or giving instructions to you, or talking about the general situation.
Isn`t it talking about all of that?
 

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I just think that what you'd do in response to the reading is probably very different, depending on how Yi is answering.

As a description of XY, what you need to know about him: "He and his offer of help represent a chance for me to rest, even though dealing with him seems 24.3-ish." Therefore you'd probably take the help he's offering.

But if the reading is sidestepping the question, and describing your overall situation instead, in something like the way I said before, then you probably would not take help from him.

I honestly don't know which it is.

(Edited) It could be something different from those two options, of course. I don't mean to sound as if those are the only two possibilities. Those are just the two I can think of.
 

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hm,hm...i do need help.should not bee such a big deal, really...
perhaps i should cast again...
 
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29.5>7 regarding intentions...so I `m good, anything dramatic will be contained :hide:
disciplined..how very capricornious :D
does anone else often gets hex 7 when asking about men? this may have came out wrong.... :D
 

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You mean *his* intentions? You asked about his intentions in offering you help?
 

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'The chasm does not overflow –
Here it already finds its level.
No mistake.'
(Hilary's translation)

Maybe as you said, nothing dramatic, no big overflow or spilling over. Maybe his intentions won't become anything more than you already know about?

I think what confuses me about the first reading, the 24>11 one, is that you asked what you need to know about a person, and the reading doesn't seem to be describing a person. It seems (to me) to be a description of a situation, or a way of being. (Or maybe I lack imagination, which is entirely possible.)

If the readings are about your situation, 29.5 could mean that your problems won't get any worse than they are right now. How would you feel about accepting help from XY then?

The other thing that bothers me about all this is that someone offers you help, but then he's rude and sarcastic towards you. :confused: You know him, though - maybe he's one of those gruff people with a heart of gold?
 

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"Gruff people with a heart of gold" - brings to mind a 24.3 experience of my own. I had to make a series of phone calls to get information I needed. Everyone I talked to was rude and sarcastic, but I did get little bits of information from each one - when I put all the bits together, I had what I needed. Not that those people had hearts of gold, just that I got what I needed. I got the reading when I wailed to Yi after the first couple of phone calls - Yi was telling me to keep going despite the unpleasantness.

So if 24.3 can describe phone calls to rude people, it surely could describe your experience with a sometimes-unpleasant gentleman who is nonetheless offering to help you...
 

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I think what confuses me about the first reading, the 24>11 one, is that you asked what you need to know about a person, and the reading doesn't seem to be describing a person. It seems (to me) to be a description of a situation, or a way of being.
Oh, I see...in such cases, I find that formulating question that way gives me insight just needed...besides, asking about what one needs to know ABOUT a person does not have to be descriptive in traits but also could denote actions, especially if there were some that influence the relationship... So I also think the cast is about the situation and the reason why it is happening this way.
Because I did talk about those issues and was given some sort of half-satisfactory answer,but I do not want to put faith in anyone, even this casts is giving too much energy into someone who has not even did as promised yet...
 

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You may have noticed we crossed posts - I remembered a 24.3 experience of my own which sort of described both people and a situation.

So maybe option 1 is more likely than not (accepting his offer of help will allow you to rest, even if dealing with him is 24.3-ish)? Especially since that fits the question you actually asked.

I think if it was me, and I was still confused at this point (and maybe you're not), I'd probably ask Yi, "What if I accept XY's offer of help?"

Then again I ask too many questions when divining.
 

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I agree with all that Lisa said about how there are many ways to interpret this. My first impression of the cast 24>11 was there was no great harm in it but there are too many things I don't know to be confident about that. You said

There is this man with whom I talked a lot and than on one occasion he cut me off rudely so we stopped communicating but lately he was bored and started commenting on my fb posts in a way I found to be unnecessary sarcastic and he just made me think less of him

I don't much like the sound of that. If he cut you off once with no explanation might he do it again ? Also if he is offering monetary help then that places you under obligation which I imagine you'd want to stay free from. If he can't be clear with you do you really want to get further involved ?

I think this is one you are going to need to use your instincts on. 24 takes one back to a safe place, home. This answer may just show you considering the offer, but re thinking it (24.3)

Because this has to do with your security I reckon it's one you will have to figure by yourself. Would taking money from him possibly involve you in future uncomfortable situations, that kind of thing. Does he make you feel vulnerable ? Just the facts, you are a lone female struggling with money,, he blows hot and cold, withdraws in a nasty way then offers money. I think you are right to be wary but I don't know. I think 29.5 again refers to your security here. The main thing is taking care of yourself. 29.5 generally indicates troubles only go so far then they subside.

It is difficult with trust issues with I Ching answers. What is your gut feeling ?


OH FWIW...(Lisa and I are the Queens of cross posting) 24.3 can often refer to unsteady intentions. Perhaps he tries to behave well then slips then tries again or perhaps he cannot keep a steady way of relating with you.

Have I got wrong end of stick re monetary help ? If someone you don't know well offers money isn't it always a bit concerning especially if you are beginning a relationship with him
 

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not that enchanted to call him a gentleman....he is too raw for my taste, that sums it.
i fake am ok, cos it is humiliating to explain my struggless to someone who has very different ones..most people even do not accept that depression is not cured by pulling out of it..we have a saying here -well fed person does not believe a hungry one(`s experiences).
 

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Well, I did not think this will attract much attention, so thank you both for your help.
Never mind for overlaping, just that I do not give it space to sink in.
I DID accept the offer which has not arrived yet. :( as I said, I need to make my life easier...and it is more like the gesture I find moving, because it comes unforced. And it is not about the sizable sum, it is about the timing. Which collapses as we speak. :(
And I do not care what happens really...because it feel like everything is out of my hands.I didn`t want to return with 2 page history post even tho being concise sometimes confuses with impression of the situation.
Soon there will be time for greater decision casting.
 

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At least you reached a decision - maybe the first reading might have meant that, too - take some time (24.2) to chew this over (and over and over - 24.3)? (Maybe. Basically I don't know.)

Gold star for that post, Trojina. :bows:

By the way, Dragona, I can sympathize with your feeling:

And I do not care what happens really...because it feel like everything is out of my hands.

but it's a real shame you have to feel that way, and I worry it's not the greatest foundation for making good decisions. Sometimes there is no truly good option, though.
 

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Well as you can see, Gnichi, there hasn't been a whole lot of certainty of any kind on this thread, so who knows about 11 in this case. We disagree with each other a lot here, and often (most of the time?) it doesn't boil down neatly to "right" and "wrong" anyway. It's nice to meet you!
 

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