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hebe

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Following Hilary's ideas about asking for a weeks review or focus - I did ask what should my focus be this week - and got 24 with moving line 6. Can anyone open this up a little bit more for me - it doesn't make any sense - returning to one's path - yes, I am going back to myself somehow & finding my way through meditation and energywork - and got a very good and affirmative i ching reading on my choice of path - (returning to one''s way - how could this be a mistake? 9:1) but this as a focus for the week is odd and I don't get it. Also don't want to risk a big blunder that might cause 10 years worth of damage..... (last week my focus was 62: 1 and 6 and caused me to worry as well..) - it seems that some questions make such sense but these ones I just don't get. Any input or a different perspective would be much appreciated. Thanks, Hebe
 

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got 24 with moving line 6. Can anyone open this up a little bit more for me

You have based some decisions on incorrect information, Hebe. The path you are on will definitely cause you trouble in the future if you don't find out what's wrong and correct it -- real soon! Do not miss the right moment to turn around!

last week my focus was 62: 1 and 6 and caused me to worry as well.

You are starting something too soon or what you've started is truly foolish. :eek: If you can't stop yourself, you will only exhaust yourself and bring down upon yourself misfortune. :eek:

Best thing to do, Hebe: Go back through your readings, in reverse order. Knowing for sure now that the IC is saying that you are on the wrong path, re-trace your steps back to the point at which you thought the IC was giving you the green light to go ahead with your plan. Somewhere in your readings you have made a mistake in interpreting the responses of the IC.

We often interpret the IC as giving us a green light because we feel such a strong push to go forward. ;)

Your 9.1 did not say to go forward. It generally means it would be best to retreat to a position in which you can either go forward or retreat. If you try to go forward from a 9.1 situation, you will only encounter a series of obstructions. The whole of hexagram 9 is about being restrained from making the kind of progress we would like to make.

In my experience, when we get H9, we are dealing with people who are very hard to get along with. :rant: The only way forward is through cultivating a gentle attitude. There is actually no action you could take at the present which could succeed.

Turn around before it's too late!

A word to the wise is sufficient
 
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As this is just a "weekly" read then there is no point in putting very importance on it as it is a minor general reading only.

So, the emphasis is on change this week, making changes and in doing so be aware not to say the wrong thing, ie. think before you speak.
 
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gosh - 2 different responses to that - i'd like to think that it was a weekly focus - which is what the question was about - although the 24 indicates its about my path. In regards to the training - the next week is in october and i asked about that. It gave me 37: 4 which sounded really good - and I was going to book it this morning. (the training is over a course of 4 years with various weeks throughout). My very original question for the I ching with the Rosen training was March 7th: Will the Rosen training be a successful path for me? 7: 2&3 - 15 and then later Will I be a successful practitioner of Rosen: 9: 1 - 57. any more thoughts on that ? am not copping out of looking at these - I did alot of research around them at the time and felt very strongly drawn to the practice. My tendancy is to get all enthusiastic and then to let it go - which I did want to avoid this time around if I got it right - which I thought I had. Thanks for your help Hebe
 

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37: 4 which sounded really good

'A well-to-do household. Cheerful acceptance.' I once received this line and it was more of a good thing I wished for. It never turned into anything -- yet.

The WikiWing says: There is good fortune from investing more into the dwelling place.

The implication is that your true wealth has something to do with your family. Further than that, I cannot say . . .

Will the Rosen training be a successful path for me? 7: 2&3 - 15

I think it says: Be more realistic. They want to be disciplined like an army for battle, but with no clear leader anymore.

Often this describes an organization started by someone who is now much older, who needed to delegate many tasks to younger people -- who are not nearly as good as the original leader. There is an expression: 'Too many cooks spoil the broth.'

In addition, their teaching may be quite out-of-date or old-fashioned in important ways.

Will I be a successful practitioner of Rosen: 9: 1 - 57

It is too early to move forward.

:):bows:
 
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How interesting - the Rosen method has grown from a teacher who is now still teaching but is 96 this year. I need to look at this very carefully. The next course in October (37:4 is in a very smart venue - beautiful place in the country. Would tie in with that - but it did say 'great good fortune'. Do you ever get to that place where you just can't seem to make any decisions anymore about anything? I get confused by my answers, I get more and more incapable of making a decision and really it all feels like I'm paralysed in the headlights....
 
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From here seems that you want to make some changes on what nourish you (27) Although 24.6 seems a dreadful line, imo it isn’t. It feel to me like an encouragement , like Yi says “go on”. I’m not talking about specific decisions or ways you have mention here , but I see it more general.

Its like staring a diet and make a contract with your self “I won’t eat this I won’t it that” and when you start it the only things you want to eat is those will spoil your diet, those with 1000 cal per bite :eek:

Some year ago I did some weekly reading. I have read here that people could connect the reading with the events happened that week. I couldn’t . my reading were almost irrelevant but after 3 years those readings are still in my mind. They give me a push when needed. I was very inexperienced with Yi back then and sometimes the week was finished and I was scratching myself to understand what Yi was trying to tell me.

I spend hours thinking about them and I saw the beginning of a story, a story still in progress but during the time working on them :brickwall:I realized many things about my self. Each week something more, something different. For two week I was given the same answer.

Relax , write then in a paper, put them in your pocket and when you fell like play with them.

My suggestions are coming from my own experience. Take them or leave it. It’s not the One thing you can do. I’m just saying for me it worked, perhaps you would like to try it.

En-joy your 24.6 > 27 reading :)
Maria
 

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My experience with doing a reading for the week has been that even though I specifically ask for the week the readings usually turn out to be something I needed to know just for the day - Like the I Ching knows I don't have the attention span for an entire week! - and often the answer didn't really pertain to my life. More like the I Ching was saying, "Well here's a hexagram to study for the week." For example several times I've gotten a hexagram and then someone here at onlineclarity will post a question where their answer was the same as my weekly reading. Because I'd read up on the hexagram I was able to give a more thoughtful answer. So it was fun to have been guided to study the particular hexagram but it wasn't necessarily a comment on my life that week.
Also, as mentioned earlier in this thread, we have to consider the context when you read these lines. Just because the line uses terms like "Misfortune" and "defeat" doesn't necessarily mean catastrophe unless you are asking about setting armies off to war. It may be a warning that you may miss the off ramp on the freeway returning home. Hmm..just realized it's been a week since you got this hexagram. Did you notice if it applied to anything?
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the Rosen method has grown from a teacher who is now still teaching but is 96 this year. I need to look at this very carefully.

What is the Rosen method? Almost certainly the 96-year-old teacher has delegated major functions to younger people. The organization may not stand for what it once stood for. I would follow up on that, if I were you -- before committing time and money. :):)
 

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24.6 says go home where you belong. Shorten supply lines to zero.
The military disaster depicted in the image was repeated twice in the West with the campaigns on Moscow by Napoleon and Hitler. Too far out to return.
 
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Yeh, my most memorable 24.6, some 33 years ago, had to do with the end of a grueling year long effort with a particular incarnation of a band. I didn't throw the reading, the 'chosen' leader did, and immediately determined that we had overshot the runway.

I'd add to that observation, that each of us, in our own youthful and stubborn way, and as a group, had missed many critical cues, given by Yi and by key helpers and friends along the way. The conflict of creativity and business (commercialism) was something we'd never agree on. Nor with perfection vs spontaneity. That conflict of interests is what caused us to miss the return and overshoot the runway, and accomplish neither.

But it was the leader's reading. Two of us continued on in another direction, and later I went off on my own. Eventually we all got day gigs, lol.

"Life leads the thoughtful man on a path of many windings. Now the course is checked, now it runs straight again." Confucius

Can a life be a real life without missing at least one return?
 
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Thanks for those useful insights and thoughts. Yes... its been a week now and I've just been thinking about the 24:6 and you know what, I just can't think of anything that it relates to! Several opportunities for real blow out arguments which I ignored & changed my own energy -a definite 'holding in' at one point of real sadness until I hit my head hard by bumping into something and then boy did the tears flow....so possibly its referring to those things. But as mariemaria says it will be interesting to record all this and see if a pattern flows. Thanks willowfox for your humour - good to keep that going!x

Ginnie - will get back to you on rosen method later on today - just off to work! might do another weekly reading to see if things evolve in a pattern - but not this week, too much to think about already!
 
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Sooo - I think we must have posted at the same time because yours wasn't up when I read the threads. How interesting. So you see it as 'missing a big point/key hint etc at something from what I gather. 33 years ago! Will add that to the melting pot. I did get 'an underlying fear prevents you from seeing the truth' as interpreted by Brian Brown Walker (18:2) when asking not so long ago about my situation, which ties in with that as well. All food for thought and its digesting at the moment. Thanks, Hebe
 
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But as mariemaria says it will be interesting to record all this and see if a pattern flows. Thanks willowfox for your humour - good to keep that going!x

Just wanted to clarify that what i said earlier was my experiences with this weekly reading. Doesn't mean that should be a pattern behind them.

If you search in the archives, you will find a thread were we use to post our daily or weekly reading.
 
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Ginnie - the Rosen Method is a body therapy using touch to bring awareness to chronically held muscle tension & by watching the breath, touch and presence allowing the unconsciously held emotions within the tension to surface. I was drawn to training in it after experiencing powerful releases & memories & also awareness of where I hold (in, down, tightly etc and for what reasons.) The teaching method all over the world does seem to be quite effective - & certainly - at this point - works for me. But I am only at the very beginning of a 4 year training - which you can stop at any point or go on to be a practitioner if you complete. In terms of my original reading - being able to withdraw at any point, it does fit in with that. Hebe
 

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thanks, Hebe.

I've never heard of this method, but I'm glad to hear it's working for you!

If you seriously intend to become a practitioner you'd do well to investigate some of the newer groups. I say this because when the 90-year-old leader passes away, his group will probably decline organizationally, even though the method he originated has flourished for decades and has spread all over the world.

Also, if you seriously intend to train to become a professional, it's not good to have credentials coming from an organization that might enter a decline in a few years. Credentials become out-of-date soon enough even under the best of circumstances!
 
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thanks, Hebe.

I've never heard of this method, but I'm glad to hear it's working for you!

If you seriously intend to become a practitioner you'd do well to investigate some of the newer groups. I say this because when the 90-year-old leader passes away, his group will probably decline organizationally, even though the method he originated has flourished for decades and has spread all over the world.

Also, if you seriously intend to train to become a professional, it's not good to have credentials coming from an organization that might enter a decline in a few years. Credentials become out-of-date soon enough even under the best of circumstances!

Ginnie , with respect, what makes you that certain that this organization will decline and Hebes investment will be a waste ?
 

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Ginnie , with respect, what makes you that certain that this organization will decline and Hebes investment will be a waste ?

Because the leader is now 90 years old. Unless he has trained a son or strong heir of utmost commitment, just like the father, the organization is bound to decline, because that is the story of most of them like this, Maremaria.

The leader is a true originator, a brilliant man. But after he passes away, the others will cling dependently to his teachings as if they were Gospel, and be afraid to change with the times. The successors will be preservers of this method, but the leadership -- the ability to change with the times -- may very well be gone. This is a defect when it comes to the healing arts.
 
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Out of curiosity, I googled the other day and found this link. http://www.rosenmethod.org/

It seems that she is not the only one runs it. This is why i'm asking. I couldn't find another organization with the same name, so perhaps this is the one Hebe means.
 
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Yes Maremaria it is... and there are many many teachers of it all over the world - originally from Marian Rosen who now at 95 is still teaching -but she has trained many teachers and there are independent schools all over the world, particularly USA and Scandinavia. Perhaps I explained the origins too hastily to Ginnie - for it would seem that there are many 'heirs' in the teachers and schools that sprung up from original training with Marian. Perhaps there is a question for the I Ching in this - about the continuation of Rosen Method once Marian passes away or something along those lines. I appreciate the threads about this. I had another session yesterday and it really is such strong work when you witness what the body holds and what memories come up to your awareness from the tension. Some good points to ponder from all of these threads, thanks. Hebe
 

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