25.5 > 21, feelings

[Juliah]

The hexagram 25 is one of the most elusive for me. At first sight, its meaning seems quite transparent, but when I get it in my casts I feel inevitably stuck.

What could it mean if the question is about a persons's feelings to another one?

Thanks a lot friends.

 

[rosada]

21. suggests obstructions.
25.5 suggests problems can be worked out without getting entangled.

As a reading on the feelings between two people I would interpret these hexagrams as saying any obstructions between them can be dissolved by not picking on what is wrong but by focusing on what is right or perhaps that before a problem can be resolved there needs to be a strengthening of what is good.
Another thought, perhaps the person sees nothing wrong in the friendship but it can only go so far, as in, "I like him as a friend but not as a boyfriend."

 

[Trojina]

25 is also called 'disentangled' by Hilary I think which is I think a better word for 25 than 'innocence' with all it's connotations. Being disentangled from someone could indicate one is simply not caught up with them. One might be open to them but there's no complex shenanigans. If it's an established relationship it might indicate as Rosada said that now is not the time to make complicated plans about how things might be better. Spontaneity, ease, openness serve better. In being disentangled one does not have an agenda, a wish to sway things one way or the other. One is aligned with the moment hence 'innocent' and also truthful.

25.5 has some quite different interpretations, the most usual being as it says, no need to treat a perceived affliction. However I do recall a thread on this line where the person did actually need medicine. I can't recall the details but the evidence was quite compelling that 25.5 needed a rethink.

I'll check my journal to see where it's come up

 

[Trojina]

Returning from my journal I get the general impression of 'there's nothing to be fixed' which is handy as that is the most usual way the translation is interpreted it seems. It seems to be almost a 'now you see it now you don't'. You think you just had some trouble but to your surprise you find you didn't.

 

[loverofknowledge]

25.5 living iching (a translation I respect) on this line :
" Unexpected illness. Recovery from sickness brings joy." -- nothing about not using medicine.
25 as a whole speaks about accidents, -- things that happen through no (or indiscernible) causes of our own. We can be victim to misfortunes, yet if we remain "innocent," ie. disentangled, a beneficial result can transpire.
Usually when I receive this line -- in relation to another person, or a situation - it is clear to me what the "sickness" involves, -- often a long-standing weariness, or a problem I've faced time and again.
i take the advice to be that I not dwell too very much on the problem, as if to make it worse, but allow a recovery, as if from an illness. Or it can mean that the illness has or is just about to be over and joy will come.

 

[Trojina]

25.5 living iching (a translation I respect) on this line :
" Unexpected illness. Recovery from sickness brings joy." -- nothing about not using medicine.

Oh the not using medicine bit is definitely there. Bradford's translation of the line includes 'do not medicate', Lise's says 'do not use medicine' and Hilary's says 'no medicinal herbs'. Those 3 are ones I would trust. Who wrote 'Living I Ching' ? Ah found it, it's by Ming Dao Deng . I've not come across it before.
In the biography following link he is called Deng Ming Dao so it's a bit confusing.

 

[loverofknowledge]

Oh the not using medicine bit is definitely there. Bradford's translation of the line includes 'do not medicate', Lise's says 'do not use medicine' and Hilary's says 'no medicinal herbs'. Those 3 are ones I would trust. Who wrote 'Living I Ching' ?

https://www.amazon.com/Living-Ching...&btkr=1&redirect=true&ref_=dp-kindle-redirect

Here's the link. He is a scholar of Taoism. I have read his commentary quite carefully and trust his knowledge and translations. This translation perhaps could be explored in more detail.

 

[hmesker]

https://www.amazon.com/Living-Ching...&btkr=1&redirect=true&ref_=dp-kindle-redirect

Here's the link. He is a scholar of Taoism. I have read his commentary quite carefully and trust his knowledge and translations. This translation perhaps could be explored in more detail.

You can't say that Deng translated it wrong, but reading wuyao 勿藥 as 'recover from sickness' is a relatively late development. As is said in the 重編國語辭典 dictionary, 無須醫藥治療。語出《易經．无妄卦．九五》。 後指病勢痊癒: '[wuyao 勿藥 means] there is no need for medicine to cure the illness. This expression comes from the 5th line of hexagram 25 in the Yijing. Later it referred to a patient's condition being cured from illness.' When I search ctext.org for this phrase I find it mostly in text from the Song dynasty onwards (977 AD and later), often referring to this line text.

Although yao 藥 means 'medicine' one of it oldest meaning is 'treat (an illness)'. Wu 無 means 'don't!, do not', hence the translation 'do not treat (the illness)'.

 

[Tim K]

Having experienced 25.5 a few times, I agree with hmesker.
What I thought was serious issue/scary to the mind turned out to be nothing. No need to treat it.

 

[ernobe]

What could it mean if the question is about a persons's feelings to another one?

If the question is about someone elses personal feelings for another, you don't have much say in the matter, because the line indicates that one is facing a challenge in which help from others is not available. The most one can do is reassure them that, whatever they decide, you trust their own good judgement. If it is about your own personal feelings, you've just received the I-Chings' blessings. :bows:

 

[gene]

The hexagram 25 is one of the most elusive for me. At first sight, its meaning seems quite transparent, but when I get it in my casts I feel inevitably stuck.

What could it mean if the question is about a persons's feelings to another one?

Thanks a lot friends.

The thing that catches my eye in this particular case has to do with your perception of the situation, or the problem. Are you really seeing it clearly? Perhaps with time the reality of the situation will become clear and your eyes will not be clouded over with doubts and misgivings, but you will see things as they really are. Just give things time to unravel, and in the meantime be as calm and peaceful about everything as you can. Nonattachment in a way is a misnomer, but in a way it is not. Often the more unattached we are to a lover or a meaningful relationship, the better the relationship works. What you are seeing now may not be real. Let it flow and see how things work out.

 

[cavarose]

Thank you community!
This thread is very valuable four years on.

I was about pick at a pain point with my mate. But this makes me see he’s aware and is working on the issue. I need to chill and give him leeway.