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I was looking at these lines and hex. 50 as relating hexagram. As a neophyte on the I Ching I still don't understand why these lines relate to each other (line 1 and 4), and also wondering if this relation would be coloured by the "tones" of Hex. 50.Six in the fourth means:
The headboard of a young bull.
Great good fortune.
This line and the one following it are the two that tame the forward-pushing lower lines. Before a bull's horns grow out, a headboard is fastened to its forhead, so that later when the horns appear they cannot do harm. A good way to restrain wild force is to forestall it. By so doing one achieves an easy and a great success.
The great good fortune of the six in the fourth place consists in the fact that it has JOY.
This line constitutes the horns of the nuclear trigram Tui, which to be sure means sheep and not horned cattle. The line easily restrains the nine at beginning before it has begun to be dangerous, hence the joy.
That makes sense to me. Of course we're still only at the 'theoretical' level - the real excitement starts when you move on to real readings, and things that may not hang togther 'logically' at all nonetheless trigger huge 'aha's for people...the "theme" of this reading could talk about directing powerful force into or as spiritual transformation, and the lines would give the "how to's" or the circumstances that are driving this situation
I like that - nice summary of the relationship between the two.The overall hexagram 26 of restraint of development in general becomes the ultimate expression of sophisticated development in terms of the ceremonial Ting.
As I understand it, you'd only say that two lines 'correspond' if - as with 26.1 and 4 - one is yin and one yang. So in 26 you could say that 1-4 and 2-5 correspond but 3-6 don't.The lines of each trigram in a hexagram, upper and lower, correspond in terms of their similar line position. So the 1st line of the lower trigram corresponds to the 1st line of the upper trigram or line 1 corresponds to line 4.
But the feet of baby girls wouldn't have grown 'wild' they would just have grown into normal feet. Hardly a 'simple' restraint more like barbaric mutilation.Also, the first line is the very beginning line and thus a young thing without great strength of its own. Young things in traditional China were restrained from growing up wild by simple restraints such as binding the feet of baby girls
Trojan,I was looking at these lines and hex. 50 as relating hexagram. As a neophyte on the I Ching I still don't understand why these lines relate to each other (line 1 and 4), and also wondering if this relation would be coloured by the "tones" of Hex. 50.
Yes, we all know that such practices are no longer acceptable even in China. However, the Yi is from ancient China and understanding the metaphor used required accepting enough of the Tao or context to perceive the thinking involved. The ancient notion was that social order was best when females stayed inside the house and served the family (cf. hex 37 especially line 3) rather than taking off to meet boys and do wild things. Similar hobbling of little girls happens on the psychological level still in our society to keep them on the straight and narrow.But the feet of baby girls wouldn't have grown 'wild' they would just have grown into normal feet. Hardly a 'simple' restraint more like barbaric mutilation.
Yes - I didn't doubt you knew - I was only being persnickety about terminology.I was limiting myself to just samgirl's original question-- i.e. not the entire theory of corresponding lines. line 1 and 4 are related since they are each the first line of their respective trigrams (lower and upper). In this hex 26 they are a corresponding couple since they are Yang and Yin, in other hexagrams the interpretation of lines 1 and 4 together may be the relationship of their being both of the same kind. I was trying to relate to the specific question without getting into the entire range of theoretical possibilities.
That was clear, I even accept that you couldn't help yourself--I was mostly just pointing out the quibble about terminology was irrelevant to the thread and the discussion of the underlying structure of a Yi hexagrams which carries the meaning of personal oracles which is then butchered and hung up in the display window by academics.Yes - I didn't doubt you knew - I was only being persnickety about terminology.
Perhaps that is why the line in the Yi refers to the headboard of a young bull. However to explain the underlying process the more evocative later practice of foot binding came up. Another advantage of using underlying structure than the various layers of theory is there aren't any those quibbles to play gotcha with.On which subject... When we talk about 'ancient China' we can mean many things. Foot binding, according to Wikipedia (warning - the article is graphic), likely began in or around the Tang dynasty, 937AD - a couple of thousand years more recent than the line we're discussing. And come to that, line theory is also not as old as Yi - didn't it begin with the Han?
NO! Hilary you're not hearing at all. The process described by the structure of the hexagram is not at about cruel or brutal rather about the ease of bending a young twig compared to trying to bend a large mature branch. Your references have to do with the pain of the bent twig or other growing thing involved, which is quite specifically EXCLUDED from the Yi image. It is all about using time and design from first stages rather than force ( brute or otherwise--note line 5). But one can only understand the relevant process involved by not getting hung up in personal reactions and historical commentary details.Afterthought: yes, if you like, it's a 'quibble' to point out that the authors of the hexagrams definitely couldn't have had foot-binding in mind. But it's important to say that 26.4 is not about the cruel and brutal distortion of natural growth, but about using skill and intelligence to cultivate potential through restraint, in a situation where brute strength wouldn't be effective. Very different.
Not a specific "Shared Reading" to simplify things, but a realization of the added depth involved in line interpretation. Structural analysis is a perpendicular dimension or depth addition to the two-dimensional study of verbal commentary and historical details. Rather than getting caught up in various centuries of differing remarks, the structure of the lines remains the same for each and all regardless of time or place.Really interesting reading - how the context works on the interpretation. I'm starting to realize how important is to stay and ponder with one reading before going to the next.
No words necessary? Well, I suggest we simply agree to differ.
Samgirl - you actually asked if you want to do something? Getting the oracle to talk about your own motives? Very interesting idea for a question... maybe the answer is something like 'yes, but under control, gradually, and really cherishing its potential'? (At a guess, since I'm not clear on the question... and also have to go out in 5 minutes...)
About the idea of an 'objective' reading - the difficulty with that is that the real answers in divination arise somewhere in your response to the words on the page. (And the lines on the page .) You feel things 'click' and fall into place - or you howl with laughter or burst into tears or jump up and shout at the book, however the recognition takes you...! - and this is how you know you have your answer.
Have to run... I'll try to come back this afternoon...
describes a family dynamics issue. No one automatically acts to keep themselves down. This is generally a response to some form or script or strong influence from important people in your life (usually a parent or two). Hopefully, they don't really mean to have you kept down, or at least not any more; however parental instructions whether accurately understood or misconstrued by us in our early years are powerful. Keeping you down doesn't really help anyone and ultimately is a mistake. Figuring it all out and making it different for you is its own challenge.when I am writing this I find it ridiculous, it's basically plain self-sabotage. This is the reason of my questions about my motives... I never know when I am lying to myself just to keep me down.
Oh... certainly this is something I was not are of. It's interesting that I could describe internal situations as hurricanes and others as peaceful bays... I know that my conjunction is in Scorpio, in 4th house, and Saturn is in Taurus, in 9th house. How can I find how best to deal with this and where the pain is cause? I am very interested in finding this out!Hi Samgirl,
Neptune is horribly active these days for all of us which is generally difficult. Hurricane Ike and the current financial crisis are also Neptune expressions.
Sun conjunct Neptune places your Individual Quest with your Mysterious Attachments--what you must obey when they impose upon you while they just slip through your fingers if you try to pin them down--like the sea which commands all as a hurricane but is just lapping waves when you go into it other times.
The exact details of your conjunction describes how to best deal with this for you and and of your Saturn position helps explain the pain it causes you.
Yeah, I can see where this is coming from. I'm aware of this and can see improvements on my own dealings. Work in progress here.From a totally different angle,
describes a family dynamics issue. No one automatically acts to keep themselves down. This is generally a response to some form or script or strong influence from important people in your life (usually a parent or two). Hopefully, they don't really mean to have you kept down, or at least not any more; however parental instructions whether accurately understood or misconstrued by us in our early years are powerful. Keeping you down doesn't really help anyone and ultimately is a mistake. Figuring it all out and making it different for you is its own challenge.
Thank you for all this. It's really helpful!Oracle hex 26.1,4 >> 50 or Virgin Land expressing and exhausting its roots or grounding while filling in its heart or soul image approaching The Altar (Flux Tome oracle interpretation from structural analysis) involves cutting yourself free from your grounding in your background or grounding while you develop more fully your own image in your heart or soul toward finding your own independent adult process. Hex 50 represents the process (4 Yang lines of the six) being drawn back from simply moving forward (first place Yin) to develop within itself with the overall organization (line place 5) being open like the hub of a wheel. (Lao Tzu poem 11--what you have (or are) makes for profit, what you are open to makes for opportunity).
Sun conjunct Neptune in Scorpio (sign of power and passion) in the 4th the house of one's private home and your father as the one who is responsible for securing the home.Oh... certainly this is something I was not are of. It's interesting that I could describe internal situations as hurricanes and others as peaceful bays... I know that my conjunction is in Scorpio, in 4th house, and Saturn is in Taurus, in 9th house. How can I find how best to deal with this and where the pain is cause? I am very interested in finding this out!
Thank you, Hilary! This is very helpful and clarifying. Thanks so much!I think the questions you're asking are brilliant, by the way. I recommend them from time to time, but it's rare to find someone who's as willing to ask 'what do I want from him?' as 'what does he want from me?'
26 and 50 as something you want... to respond in a very, very simple-minded way... something to nurture; potential that's worth caring for because it can grow into something sacred and powerful; controlled power, like something stored up in a battery, held within a safe space where it can be 'cooked' and transformed into something new.
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