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hey all,
hope you are well and on the right path in understanding the IC.
the porpoise of this topic is to share personal IC experience.

1 hour ago I ask if something would happen during the day...the IC answer with 28 unchanging.

I also ask: is the situation just rolling? IC: 28 again

my tough about was that probably it would be happen... but after the answer I got I feel to be wrong. I had always negative answer from it in the past readings.

and them after less a hour the asked thing happened! :eek: :brickwall: :duh:

any though any experience to share about?
 
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what I had understand at time about the answer... is that probably the answer isn't directly about me but about the counterpart, obviously I'm part of the situation.
my though is that the situation for the counterpart have taken a so big dimension. they want to reach a certain goal that they are trying to pursuing.
 

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Did something fall down?

I ask this question because the image of the hexagram is of a roof beam that is very weak at both ends, so that the whole thing is in danger of collapsing. Did something heavy collapse from its own weight?

It is said that movement in any direction is good under those extraordinary circumstances. But you know something, Patro, you really did not give much background, so it's hard to answer your questions.
 

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Hey Ginnie, nice to see you here :)

the background is not so important... the porpoise of the topic is to share experience about 28 unchanging.

my analysis could be wrong but it was an explanation about the possible meaning just because it happen.
 
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background info.

the background of the question, is about a blocked communication situation and I have no intention to do the first step. is not possible. I'm not the one that create it.
and also, if I make the first step, in the future, the situation will recur.
looking back my reconciling gesture... would be regarded as a weakness of my character and as my submission.
all that would go against my principles.
 

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background info.

the background of the question, is about a blocked communication situation and I have no intention to do the first step. is not possible. I'm not the one that create it.
and also, if I make the first step, in the future, the situation will recur.
looking back my reconciling gesture... would be regarded as a weakness of my character and as my submission.
all that would go against my principles.

a very tough situation. and you had to withstand the pressure ...that's a true 28 situation. a man has to stand alone on his principles in spite of such pressure. I congratulate you.

I can't remember too many o my experiences with this hex, but I do remember feeling as though it was a test of integrity.
 

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congratulations on standing alone and staying true to yourself, patro.
 

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Thank you Bamboo, thank you Ginnie.

the situation is going on, like a dance marathon :D and the pressure from the counterpart is growing.
this mean that I'm on the right path.

talking about the matter have a clarifying effect, sharing the readings was the right way!

I understand now that the answer was strictly related to me, but the answer wasn't strictly related to my question but it was showing me the next step (effect).
the meaning of 28 in this situation was... yes it will happen... with the aim to put me under pressure :)


the pressure that the counterpart is trying exert on me... after a while turn back to the one that is exercising it, since the goal was/is missed. due exhaustion of forces.

I can ask "which is the next step to expect", I mean about a strategy change.
but as always I'm open to any suggestion ;)

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well...

I finally tossed coins about "which is the next step to expect from the counterpart" in regard a strategy change. the IC answered me
7.2-> 2

9 at 2: To live in the center of the legion. Auspicious. Without fault. The king confers three commands.
Live in the center of what you do or make. Being 'one' with whatever you do is the best way of making it great. It is not possible to organize without being part of it. In order to make it into an organic whole, it has to be part of one's own organism.
One cannot 'think' of all the details that have to be done, they have to come natural.

it seams that the counterpart will retreat from using force.... and want to try to obtain the same in a softer way!
or... that I have the control (army commander) of the situation, I don't need to know what action will undertaken (from counterpart)... but as commander I can manifest my approval rewarding(The king confers three commands), or punishing (in a way) if I disapprove. but the line presages honors.

insights?

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You're using Yi for surveillance of your opponent -- You are asking what his next move will be so that you'll be prepared.

Regarding your 'counterpart' -- Do you see him as your enemy?

Your answers are difficult to interpret because your own position is not clear. You need to learn to ask your questions from your own point of view. Always, in any situation, we need to take care of ourselves first. In order to take care of ourselves, we need not be so concerned with the inside workings of other people --

Better to get yourself straightened out. You might ask, for example: "What attitude might I take toward Z?" or "What do I need to know about Z?"
 

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oh no Ginnie.

ginnie: "Regarding your 'counterpart' -- Do you see him as your enemy? "

I see no enemies and I have not, I treat people in a certain way.. considering who-how they are. I tend to avoid conflicts due to excessive respectability.

the IC literature advice you to don't put question for other people, since few people have the capacity to do it. person like this are the Chinese fortune teller.

I'm not a fortune teller... but I try more than once in the past to toss coins for other... and I had success. I have a nice example for you if you want. I toss coins for a friend of me about her brother's wife.....
You can try to experiment.. you'll be amazed...

I never read about to can't ask about: what I have to expect from...
question like mine are a safe playground for better understanding... they are time related.
be sure that I will never forget that an answer could skip from confirm my request by revealing me what will be later!

Ginnie: Better to get yourself straightened out. You might ask, for example: "What attitude might I take toward Z?" ;) asked in the past.
answer 38.1.3.4.5-> 57.... seams that I must continue in my attitude I must resist but don't break.

love this topic
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Day & Night

You two are opposites, like Day and Night.

How do Day and Night get along together successfully? Difficult to know this, since they have a tendency to disagree on every single point.

Yet 38.1 says things will work themselves out eventually.

38.3 is a difficult time to go through, no doubt about it.

There is a danger you will fail to recognize someone who might help you. When we feel alienated, then we start to distrust people and push them away.

Maybe the best attitude to take is that it's a good "learning experience." When life is difficult, we do learn a lot. That is absolutely true.
 

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Wilhelm advice and also my experience say to me that when I get an hex with a minimum of 4 changing lines, the answer must be primarily researched in the second hex.

well... following the upper advice...
in this combination 38.1.24.5-> 57 the situation is talking about a primary opposition/offset. this situation must be maintained and controlled and not let worse.
a situation in which I must resist, I have to adapt without to break myself.

the 4th line about some one that could offer help.... mhhh... there are only 2 person and sincerely is difficult to say if I can trust them. but at time no one offered me their help, just because I hadn't contact with them at time.
about this line.... rarely some one offered me their help! in my experience is it more a combination of situation that could help. for example agregar me to such a situation that leads to another.
but I will learn more from the book!
after come the 5th line... is talking about the person of the 4th line.... and that we will meet and trust!
will see what happen.

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mhhh... there are only 2 person and sincerely is difficult to say if I can trust them. but at time no one offered me their help...will see what happen.

I am wondering if a hex 38 situation can ever turn into a really satisfactory and delightful situation. Or is it rather doomed to just go on and on in its miserable way?

The text I just read pointed out that in small things we can succeed but if we attempt larger things then conflicts will break out. This is because the two people are not in agreement in fundamental ways.
 

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I am wondering if a hex 38 situation can ever turn into a really satisfactory and delightful situation.
certainly that there is a way/answer of IC that consider this situation.

38 have "hex 38" + "other 63 hex" combination.
 

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Are you saying: 38.2.3.4.5.6 > 63 ?

I'm referring to the fact that the base meaning of hex 38 obviously hex 38 is.
you can combine hex 38 with all other hex to obtain other 63 different answer.
you can't combine 38-> 38 you will always get 38... but this mean to have it unchanging.

I mean like 38-> 1; 38-> 2; 38-> 3................ 38-> 45........................; 38-> 64

well... there must be a successful combination... that go from bad to excellent.
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there must be a successful combination... that go from bad to excellent.

It seems to me that hex 38 comes up a lot in families. With our own brothers and sisters, for example, we scratch our heads and ask, "How could we be born of the same parents"?

Maybe an exchange of opposite ideas can create a lively, exciting life. But usually, I think, hex 38 is just people making each other miserable.

Also, hex 38 describes all that is outside and foreign. Being isolated, being in the wilderness, having strange visions, traveling in alternate realities -- being an outcast.

Yet they say if the past can be released, the Way can open...

Seems to me it's about how we have a choice. We can either see other people as having wronged us -- and still being out to offend us and hurt us. Or we can learn to extend ourselves to people in a new way, hoping to end our time of isolation.
 

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what do you think about an 38.2.6-> 51?

to me it seams a very positive combination.
 

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I toss coins again... but this time I try to let me show from IC what I have to ask.

about the counterpart... which is the right question to ask related to me?

IC: 58-> 17

well I'm trying to understand the answer before to ask what to ask...
at first it seams to me that the second line... is talking about to see through the situation.
the second line talk about a "demonstrated outward serenity that does not reflect our mood".
well I'm not happy about the situation.... but is the line talking about me alone ?!?
have I ask if the counterpart is serene, proud and determined in its actions?

If there is no any suggestions I will ask "this" in the next days.
suggestion, opinions are as always welcome.
 

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what do you think about an 38.2.6-> 51?

to me it seams a very positive combination.

i agree. 38.6 is a wonderful omen, to me it says, your fears are groundless. 38 is about being surrounded by, or in a context with, those who see/respond/behave in ways alien to you........but the hex is very hopeful about finding a connection in non-conventional way.
 

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my vision of 38.2.6-> 51
is a opposite acting situation, where the negative forces will inverted by a shocking event.
in few words a "tabula rasa" event, able to generate a drastically opinion change of it.
 

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things are rolling... today the counterpart made a first half step for reconciliation!
I remained cool and friendly.

so I ask... from now on what do I have expect from the counterpart?
IC: 23.1.4.6-> 51

at first impact it seams to be a positive image. I see like the 23 is talking about the past, the now and the upcoming future.

line 1 the past; line 4 from past to now... ; line 6 from today to transformation in 51.

I must say that could not get worse as just the situation is... so I'm optimist for the future-51.

it would be nice to have also the opinion from pocossin about 23-> 51

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things are rolling... today the counterpart made a first half step for reconciliation!
I remained cool and friendly.

so I ask... from now on what do I have expect from the counterpart?
IC: 23.1.4.6-> 51

well.. after some days I'm sure that the real meaning of the above answer is:
the counterpart will continue to worsen behavior in order to generate a shaking of the situation.
 

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