29.5 > 7 Disciplining One's Heart?

[mariah kaze]

I saw my doctor on Friday to renew the Rx for my anti-depressant medication which I've been on nearly a year now. In the course of her physical exam she noted that I've lost 38 pounds in the last year (which is GOOD!), my cholesterol is now normal and all the tests came back good so I have improved greatly from my former fibromyalgia daze. We talked about my personal issues for a bit and those issues are improving as well. She suggested that with my much more physically fit body that I look for an activity (I have a lot of time on my hands) that would help me to feel less lonely, hence less depressed. So today I asked the Yi "what kind of activity should I involve myself in that will lift my depression.

Again I'm paraphrasing Cleary:

29. Mastering Pitfalls. Pitfalls mean danger. Mastering pitfalls means getting through danger - going from one danger to another yet able to get through successfully in spite of danger. Restoring yang within yin - if one practices good one becomes good - a matter of how people habitually act .....

W/B: In the heart the divine nature is locked within the natural inclinations and tendencies, and is thus in danger of being engulfed by desires and passions.... the way to overcome danger is to hold firmly to one's disposition to do good....

29.5 ‘The chasm does not overflow,
Here it already finds its level – no mistake.’ One does not see evil in common people but also being able to be unmoved and unaffected, one is vastly different from ordinary people - not self-satisfied inwardly, yet not pursuing externals - this is stability of superior wisdom being spontaneously good without training.

W/B: Water flows on and nowhere piles up.

Hex 7: Discipline Crowds - an enemy invasion - there is danger of misfortune

So, I get think good thoughts, do good deeds, and repel an enemy invasion - go with the flow - but I have not a clue what kind of "activity" this points to. I was thinking more along the lines of an exercise class but this seems to be pointing me to a more "social" involvement. Clues for the clueless, please :bag:

 

[pocossin]

You want to get out of the abyss and the formation of an army is suggested. More physically fit body and an activity that would help you feel less lonely -- line dancing!

 

[ginnie]

29.5...So, I get think good thoughts, do good deeds, and repel an enemy invasion - go with the flow - but I have not a clue what kind of "activity" this points to. I was thinking more along the lines of an exercise class but this seems to be pointing me to a more "social" involvement. Clues for the clueless, please :bag:

Interesting question. Repeated pits; rushing water at the bottom of ravines. Line 5 is interesting, too, in that the rushing water has not reached the level at which we might float completely free of the Abyss.

You need to learn to ask a question Yi can answer. Yi cannot say: "Take up bungee jumping backward off cliffs" or "Take up karaoke singing." You would need to search within yourself for some inklings about what you'd like to do, and then ask those questions one by one ... That would be the best way to proceed.

Regarding h7 as the relating hexagram, it definitely does not mean 'repelling an enemy invasion.'

The challenge, when we get H7, is to let go of purely personal preoccupations and find out what's important to other people. By getting in touch with this, we begin to be part of the 'collective force,' that power latent in humanity as a whole.

Thank you for your interesting post ...

 

[mariah kaze]

You want to get out of the abyss and the formation of an army is suggested. More physically fit body and an activity that would help you feel less lonely -- line dancing!

Wow! How come I didn't think of that? Yes, dancing.

Thank you. Maybe not line dancing - there's a Country Swing class starting in two weeks. I used to love to go dancing but my Ex was an alcoholic and we couldn't go to bars .... I got out of the habit ... but I don't have him anymore and I CAN DANCE!


I already feel better. :bows:

 

[mariah kaze]

Interesting question. Repeated pits; rushing water at the bottom of ravines. Line 5 is interesting, too, in that the rushing water has not reached the level at which we might float completely free of the Abyss.

You need to learn to ask a question Yi can answer. Yi cannot say: "Take up bungee jumping backward off cliffs" or "Take up karaoke singing." You would need to search within yourself for some inklings about what you'd like to do, and then ask those questions one by one ... That would be the best way to proceed.

Regarding h7 as the relating hexagram, it definitely does not mean 'repelling an enemy invasion.'

The challenge, when we get H7, is to let go of purely personal preoccupations and find out what's important to other people. By getting in touch with this, we begin to be part of the 'collective force,' that power latent in humanity as a whole.

Thank you for your interesting post ...

It's funny, I've read lots of posts giving advice on framing the questions: no yes/no questions, keep them less than 7 words, etc. and until I started reading here, none of these things ever occurred to me, studying on my own. I just ask whatever's on my mind and muddle through the answer. You're right, it would save time if I asked better questions but I think the Yi is so clever, it even answers bad questions in a good way.

Now, about Hex 7. I confess, sometimes it seems to mean one thing to me and other times another but I think war is the primary image. Crowds or groups of unorganized people who require obedience, organization, discipline, planning, strategy and so on - I almost always think of Leadership so your interpretation is interesting. Collective Force. Let me rink my head around this - find out what's important to other people - and act collectively for the common good. Not such a bad answer. I do have a direction to go from this. Thanks for expanding my awareness, Ginnie.

That's why this group is so-o-o-o good pompom:ompom:ompom:

 

[willowfox]

Line 29.5 suggests the need to temper your activities, nothing too extreme, something that would be fitting to your age, therefore nothing that has the potential to whack you by the end of the day.

Tai Chi? Basic self defense, kung fu? More walking. Gardening, painting and stuff.

 

[ginnie]

You're welcome, Mariah.

but I think the Yi is so clever, it even answers bad questions in a good way.

Yes, that is absolutely true. Often I think Yi is bending over backward trying to help us understand something we just cannot see ...

Now, about Hex 7. I confess, sometimes it seems to mean one thing to me and other times another but I think war is the primary image.

It might be more helpful if you thought: army corps of engineers. In other words, it does not have to be a military operation, dropping bombs, slaughtering the enemy and so forth. Our worst 'enemy' might be our own lack of discipline. The first requirement of h7 is getting our own emotional life under control.

 

[mariah kaze]

You're welcome, Mariah.



Yes, that is absolutely true. Often I think Yi is bending over backward trying to help us understand something we just cannot see ...



It might be more helpful if you thought: army corps of engineers. In other words, it does not have to be a military operation, dropping bombs, slaughtering the enemy and so forth. Our worst 'enemy' might be our own lack of discipline. The first requirement of h7 is getting our own emotional life under control.

You are so right. I've come across an idea from your posts Ginnie. There's a need for community leaders to address the problems caused by joblessness. Congress is working on a Jobs Bill that would put some of us back to work and they've asked us for ideas - and I have plenty of those

Yes, you've hit right on with my own lack of discipline. Funny, when I was working full time, I was more involved in community. Staying home has made me LAZY! And yes, emotional control is what we're talking about too - been doing a lot of reading and it is helping to "settle" some things from the past. Father issues that came along with the current relationship issues are being worked on and I'm happy to say that things are working out better for me than in the recent past. One day at a time ....

:hugs: to everyone here. Great place to be.

 

[mariah kaze]

Line 29.5 suggests the need to temper your activities, nothing too extreme, something that would be fitting to your age, therefore nothing that has the potential to whack you by the end of the day.

Tai Chi? Basic self defense, kung fu? More walking. Gardening, painting and stuff.

I do love Tai Chi and Qi Gong which I do daily. It has helped so much with my poor balance and it has given me a new kind of core strength that I was lacking. Also do Yoga with the Wii almost every day and that has also helped with balance. Gardening prolifically with all the time on my hands and canning too. Painting rocks with names of herbs in the garden with little Mac (nephew) so with your psychic ability, you've read me well. I can't explain why this depression seems to linger except to say that I am not the only member of my family that "has this". Doesn't seem to be chemical and it is improving so I think just patience with the medication and keep on with counseling. The walking is the one thing I am not doing that I know would be beneficial and I appreciate the reminder!

As always, thank you for your generosity in addressing the issues directly willowfox. This is a great forum for bringing me to life. I just hope I can share some of the good vibes back :claps:

 

[anemos]

Hi ,

I'm vey new to IC so perhaps I'm wrong but h29 and 7 have water and 29.5 reminds me of a swiming pool. What is more , quick swiming is very good for depression and not dangerous for the body.

@.

 

[mariah kaze]

Hi ,

I'm vey new to IC so perhaps I'm wrong but h29 and 7 have water and 29.5 reminds me of a swiming pool. What is more , quick swiming is very good for depression and not dangerous for the body.

@.

Yikes! A friend invited me to go to the Rec Center with her for swimming just today. Great Minds working together? I love it. Water it is

 

[willowfox]

Hi ,

What is more , quick swimming is very good for depression and not dangerous for the body.

Swimming can be dangerous if one drowns but drowning is a sure way to get rid of one's depression though.

 

[anemos]

Yikes! A friend invited me to go to the Rec Center with her for swimming just today. Great Minds working together? I love it. Water it is

really? Interesting !

Swimming can be dangerous if one drowns but drowning is a sure way to get rid of one's depression though.

Yes, you are right. It’s our decision though whether we let our self swallowed by the water or let it rise us up.

.....
That reading, In my eyes, has a great symbolism. Hex 7 , like a human body having a river within and 29 the universal waters.
If It were my reading, I would keep it in my mind. There is something special between the lines.

 

[mariah kaze]

really? Interesting !



Yes, you are right. It’s our decision though whether we let our self swallowed by the water or let it rise us up.

.....
That reading, In my eyes, has a great symbolism. Hex 7 , like a human body having a river within and 29 the universal waters.
If It were my reading, I would keep it in my mind. There is something special between the lines.

Hi anemos! You say there is something special between the lines?
One of the great things about the part of the country I live in is the scenic beauty here. Mys sis works for a rafting company (Barker-Ewing) and it's become a family tradition to float the Snake River every summer on mine and Mac's (nephew) almost mutual birthdays. His is the 18th & mine is the 19 of July. This year he is finally big enough to do my favorite part of the River which is the Snake River Canyon and WHITE WATER! We had a Blast! This little kid *loved* it. Me? I was wet and cold, which usually makes me miserable but the day was warm and the exuberance was contagious. It was indeed a special day that we'll remember fondly.

Now, picture me in the deep chasm of the river with rushing waters all around in the exact center of the rubber raft (where they put old ladies who can't swim well) in splash gear and hooded so that you can't even recognize me. Blissfully gazing at the Ospreys soaring overhead & with no chores to do because the ones on either side of me are doing the paddling. An hour of bumping, splashing, squealing progress through the likes of Big Kahuna and Lunch Counter Rapids. Coming out dripping wet, shivering uncontrollably but laughing my head off! I made it! I did it! I got through! And yup, I'm ready to go again

That's how I picture Hex 29 and 7? Hey, I did not complain about nuthin' not even once!

That is special - thank you.:bows:

 

[anemos]

Coming out dripping wet, shivering uncontrollably but laughing my head off! I made it! I did it! I got through! And yup, I'm ready to go again

That's how I picture Hex 29 and 7? Hey, I did not complain about nuthin' not even once!

That is special - thank you.:bows:

:bows:

 

[gato]

Hi ,

I'm vey new to IC so perhaps I'm wrong but h29 and 7 have water and 29.5 reminds me of a swiming pool. What is more , quick swiming is very good for depression and not dangerous for the body.

@.

good point.

also 29-7 means that recovery will be slow...ups, wrong

29-7 recovery is not far

 

[anemos]

good point.

thank you

 

[ginnie]

29-7 recovery is not far

Her recovery will not be far, because you cannot move an abyss? I'm not sure I understand why you said 'not far.'

We have an expression in English: not far off. And that means "soon." Is this what you were saying?

 

[mariah kaze]

Her recovery will not be far, because you cannot move an abyss? I'm not sure I understand why you said 'not far.'

We have an expression in English: not far off. And that means "soon." Is this what you were saying?

Right. You can't move an abyss. You can only go through it.

I read somewhere (I'll go hunt if you want me to) that the "Mind of Tao is not far". That means is within our grasp but we fail to recognize it except when we are in a state of Being here, now. Even if we recognize the Tao we cannot stay in it. It leaves almost as soon as it comes because we can never totally set aside our human mentality with all it's desires until we reach sage-hood. Theoretically possible but, most often enlightenment is merely a fleeting insight to something that was right before us - why didn't we SEE it? - and then we get caught up in the foolishness of wondering how we could have been so dense and it's lost again to our perceptions. But it's never far. We can and do attain a measure of it and in the trying (striving) and the not trying (non-striving), we never truly loose it at all, so it's never far. Just like the abyss, it doesn't move, we do.
:bows:

 

[mariah kaze]

good point.

also 29-7 means that recovery will be slow...ups, wrong

29-7 recovery is not far

Well, that is certainly good news! Gassho!