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here's a question for all of you out there: I was thinking about 29.5 but I don't have enough background to make it clear whether the reading suggests repeatedly affirming one's mastery/authority OR whether it simply asks to go as far so as not to be overriden/overwhelmed by circumstances . .



any thoughts/ideas?
 

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We move best when we are moved to do something.
We accomplish more when we really want something.
To act on less is to do things halfheartedly.
Sometimes it's best just to enjoy where we are.
And if we want more inspiration we have to invite it
and then wait for it with some patience.
Then we will be moved when the time is right.
 

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But really, for me it's one of those instant inside "I get the message" things, because it's so familiar, having repeated that edgy tension so many times before. I don't need to know all the details as to how and why I feel anxious and ready to make some waves. I just need to chill.
 

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29.4 A simple meal.

29.5 Eat only until you are full.

29.6 Otherwise your clothes will be too tight (or you may need a lap-band).
 

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both , the ways I see it. The ones doesn't excludes the other.

got this line very recently when I needed to tackle a course . being a latecomer i had a lot to catch up and needed a high grade but anxiety due to lack of time and some bad reading habits made it look impossible. ( i tend to get lost in "further information" tooooo easily )

So , to me, the line was stretching to focus on the "rim" i.e the exams without get overwhelmed from the challenge and overwhelming myself with extra reading . That's the role of H7 , imo and the different skills of the older vs younger brother. As much as it needed , is how I see this line usually.
 

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hi everyone - thanks for sharing your thoughts with me on this one! :)

I'm still not quite sure where this is going to land for me but you've certainly provided me with food for thought . . Brad I read your post early this morning before heading off for my morning swim in the sea and I could see it growing on me - especially your 'half-heartedly' tugged some serious chords inside since this has come up about a dilemma where I either go out all the way or I stay more to the background of a situation . . My first inclination is to lay a bit low, mostly because it would grant me more opportunities to see the effects of my work on others and more freedom and, on the not-so-bright side, no recognition at all (which, to be honest, I'm not sure if I want anyway) . . It runs the risk of getting a bit muddy, though

Going all out, claiming my stake and authority, simply leaves me unsettled - I don't like it, it feels uncomfortable and I know that there will probably come a moment where I'll regret it (even momentarily!). It will grant me some recognition but will take away my observer's advantages

So yeah, there's a lot of edginess and tension and need for peace and . . hunger?? Rosada now you have me wondering, 'what am I really hungry for here'??

damn it, I wish I could just turn invisible for a night or two :cool:



still mulling over everything . .
 

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Going all out, claiming my stake and authority, simply leaves me unsettled - I don't like it, it feels uncomfortable and I know that there will probably come a moment where I'll regret it (even momentarily!). It will grant me some recognition but will take away my observer's advantages

Going all out is not an association I have made before r.e. 29. I can picture it, like a waterfall or rapids, etc. I've just not connected it with any sort of goal or self interest. Quite the opposite: it doesn't even have a form of its own, much less a will; it seeks the lowest and the deepest, and can turn a perfectly safe road into a roaring flood in mere minutes. It doesn't choose when to rain either. All this lack of control can indeed be dangerous, but its not water's nature to care. That's reason enough to put a sane person in a 29.5 condition on edge. There's no more room without spilling over the top.

That's why my instinctive reaction to line 5 is to back off, right now! If I go over the top, or spill my guts, I want it to be through my rational mind, not a reactionary consequence.
 

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Oh, btw, I don't view what I'm saying to be very far from what Brad has said. I too agree with his points.

I'm less contemplative of this particular line, and trusting my instincts (water has memory), based on my personal experience with it. Maybe I've made a false assumption, but it seems awfully consistent.
 

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hey all,

I took a bit of time thinking through this . . Wilhelm's admonishment on being too ambitious had me in a tailspin for a while - not wanting to get sucked by his discourse, yet thinking that 'don't bite more than you can chew' is a big part of what goes on in this line.

I decided to go with a middle way of dealing with my fears, a bit a la hx 7, in the middle of my army. Not shying away yet not falling into preconceived notions of how mastery should work (or, how generals should behave) . . I think that the fan yao mentioned by Maria can be very illuminating, although, imo, big brother-young brother doesn't speak as much about efficient-inefficient attitudes, as it does about old and new ways of doing things . . having everything move about and function as they always have doesn't promise much of a victory - it wouldn't even allow the changes demanded when turning from a layman to a warrior.

Again, striking a balance and being flexible around danger - I'd never really thought before of 29 as the teacher for the middle way but it feels good . . hope it works out this way too!


thanks for your input - it really helped
 

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There is a game in the field and if it’s a mine-field soldiers have to cross it’s a pit !

In both lines there is an objective and the goal is (given the circumstances one has adapt to them the nature of the water) to make things work- To me its about effectiveness and efficiency. Which tools one uses (old or new) its another issue as 29 is about changing habits or grow new ones. Which attitude one will show it depends on the general. A general, to be a General, I believe, has to own a constellation of qualities such as responsiveness and demandingness . He must have those abilities/skills/ attitudes to nurture and protect his people and at the same time have the control of the situation and being able to lead. I don’t see that general been stuck to old ways of doing things and disregard new ones.

Actually that’s the difference between a general/ruler –authoritarian figure maybe- and an authoritative and competent one- a General. The mission is greater than him and he must have the intelligence to choose between alternatives and find the optimal solution. That’s his power , which sprung from his qualities and not his position.

That's my experience -especially the latest one-re 29.5. Efficiency was the goal , which course of action was the means to archive this goal. In those exams I took one had one minute to answer a question and there was no option to return and correct it- you can't undo. time flows as the water of 29 . 39 is another situation. In your or others' situation maybe other things are important so I can't say what is and what is not​ , in general.

What is interesting is 7.3.5 leads to 48. Maybe we can associate the short rope and the broken bucket with which individual leads and the young brother specifically.
 

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