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Li, for me, is shorthand for seeing clearly what is in both ones inner world and in the outer world. (Upper and lower trigrams).
Clarity of vision...
Will the dream come true?
Answer: 'You see clearly'.
--Kevin
Clarity of vision...
Will the dream come true?
Answer: 'You see clearly'.
--Kevin
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BTW - I say short hand because it means many other things too... But I expect this is your answer.
--K
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kevin, thanks for your comments. it happens to be, however, that i can both see my dream, and i can also see some facts of the situation that might suggest my dream not being true. i guess i need to accept the answer as a direct answer to my question - which was: will this happen?? then the answer was yes.
but can be yi be used this way? is it fortune telling? should i not even ask this question? does this go outside of the appropriate use? are these kinds of questions and answers ever accurate?
but can be yi be used this way? is it fortune telling? should i not even ask this question? does this go outside of the appropriate use? are these kinds of questions and answers ever accurate?
J
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Hi Millie
Just in case thje commentarie could be useful
Acording with XIANG SHU YI XUE method, 30 is a "Total Conflict" hex. If you ask "would X happen?" X wouldn't happen.
There is some exceptions, but to know if those exceptions apply to your question, is needed to know the day and month when you did your question.
Best wishes
Just in case thje commentarie could be useful
Acording with XIANG SHU YI XUE method, 30 is a "Total Conflict" hex. If you ask "would X happen?" X wouldn't happen.
There is some exceptions, but to know if those exceptions apply to your question, is needed to know the day and month when you did your question.
Best wishes
J
jesed
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Hi Millie
XIANG SHU YI XUE is a diferent method to read the answers. It doesn't use the texts, but another tools.
In this method, every time an hexagram is one trigram duplicated, is a Total Conflict. Every times, it means conflict. If the "total conflict" is permanent (because is unchanging) has a particular meaning: if you ask about a relationship, means breaking-up; if you ask about a proyect, the proyect would fail; if you ask about money, there would be loses; if you ask about illnes depends of the time: if recent illnes, means recover; if cronical illnes, means death.
But this have several exceptions.
Now, in your case (I'm quotating Alex Chiu; see www.superiching.com):
"In ancient text, a 6 match means something will happen, and a 6 strike means nothing will happen. But based on my personal experience, a 6 match or a 6 strike is the most accurate if you got a single hexagram on your first toss. (A single hexagram is a sign which contains no changing lines. Therefore, a secondary hexagram is not necessary.) If you have a double hexagram, you must investigate every little detail of the sign before you make a conclusion. (A double hexagram is a sign which contains changing lines) But if you got a single hexagram which has a 6 strike, and nothing is bounding to the self line, it absolutely means things will not happen unless the month or the date is bounding to the self line."
Now the "self line" in 30 is Snake. October 5 is Month Rooster and Date Goat. Neither Rooster nor Goat bounds to Snake.
So, sorry to tell, seems your dream wouldn't come true
XIANG SHU YI XUE is a diferent method to read the answers. It doesn't use the texts, but another tools.
In this method, every time an hexagram is one trigram duplicated, is a Total Conflict. Every times, it means conflict. If the "total conflict" is permanent (because is unchanging) has a particular meaning: if you ask about a relationship, means breaking-up; if you ask about a proyect, the proyect would fail; if you ask about money, there would be loses; if you ask about illnes depends of the time: if recent illnes, means recover; if cronical illnes, means death.
But this have several exceptions.
Now, in your case (I'm quotating Alex Chiu; see www.superiching.com):
"In ancient text, a 6 match means something will happen, and a 6 strike means nothing will happen. But based on my personal experience, a 6 match or a 6 strike is the most accurate if you got a single hexagram on your first toss. (A single hexagram is a sign which contains no changing lines. Therefore, a secondary hexagram is not necessary.) If you have a double hexagram, you must investigate every little detail of the sign before you make a conclusion. (A double hexagram is a sign which contains changing lines) But if you got a single hexagram which has a 6 strike, and nothing is bounding to the self line, it absolutely means things will not happen unless the month or the date is bounding to the self line."
Now the "self line" in 30 is Snake. October 5 is Month Rooster and Date Goat. Neither Rooster nor Goat bounds to Snake.
So, sorry to tell, seems your dream wouldn't come true
J
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ps.- what Alex Chiu called "6 strike" is traditionally called "Total Conflict"
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I notice that the meanings that come from the xiang shu method can be very different from anything you would get from reading the text.
I don't have the experience to know for sure, but I would guess that Yi takes into account which method of interpretation you intend to use when you divine. It doesn't seem that choosing the method afterwards - when the results can be so different - would work. Jesed, what do you think?
I don't have the experience to know for sure, but I would guess that Yi takes into account which method of interpretation you intend to use when you divine. It doesn't seem that choosing the method afterwards - when the results can be so different - would work. Jesed, what do you think?
J
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Hi Hillary
In my practice, I read the same question with both methods, is quite rare when the readings are diferent. Even so, I'd found that when the question is a predictive one (some called them fortune-teller), XIANG SHU YI XUE method is clearest. So, I alwas begin with that method in those kind of questions
Example in this question:
For some people, in scolarship method, when an hexagram is unchanging it means that the omen is enphatized.
But for other people (and I'd learned this), it means the situation described in the hexagram is stocked until you learn what you need to learn.
So...30 unchanging.. means lightining? or means that clarity of vision is stocked because of passion? (and if the dream is stocking the clarity of vision, could it come true?)
Now, I would chose second option (related with my own learning) but even if I could have some doubt, XIANG SHU YI XUE method agree with second option. So, that reinforce me to think the answer is not good.
Of course, is just one point of view
Best wishes
In my practice, I read the same question with both methods, is quite rare when the readings are diferent. Even so, I'd found that when the question is a predictive one (some called them fortune-teller), XIANG SHU YI XUE method is clearest. So, I alwas begin with that method in those kind of questions
Example in this question:
For some people, in scolarship method, when an hexagram is unchanging it means that the omen is enphatized.
But for other people (and I'd learned this), it means the situation described in the hexagram is stocked until you learn what you need to learn.
So...30 unchanging.. means lightining? or means that clarity of vision is stocked because of passion? (and if the dream is stocking the clarity of vision, could it come true?)
Now, I would chose second option (related with my own learning) but even if I could have some doubt, XIANG SHU YI XUE method agree with second option. So, that reinforce me to think the answer is not good.
Of course, is just one point of view
Best wishes
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Hi Jesed - and Millie -
Hm, yes, I think I read that Joseph Yu also uses textual and non-textual methods together, to cast light on/ reinforce one another.
I find that the meaning of unchanging hexagrams is emphatic, but beyond that it depends a lot on the meaning of the individual hexagram. 52 unchanging - very, very still. 46 unchanging raises the question: what are you aiming for? Do you know?
If there is a generic meaning to unchanging hexagrams, it's not (I think) that things are 'stuck' but that their direction depends absolutely on what attitude and approach the querent decides on.
And 30 unchanging - well, 30 is about both bright, clear vision, and also everything that supports it. Rearing cattle means building up your reserves, making the dream more possible, circumstances more supportive. I don't think that Yi usually says 'yes' or 'no', I think it says 'yes, if...'.
Hm, yes, I think I read that Joseph Yu also uses textual and non-textual methods together, to cast light on/ reinforce one another.
I find that the meaning of unchanging hexagrams is emphatic, but beyond that it depends a lot on the meaning of the individual hexagram. 52 unchanging - very, very still. 46 unchanging raises the question: what are you aiming for? Do you know?
If there is a generic meaning to unchanging hexagrams, it's not (I think) that things are 'stuck' but that their direction depends absolutely on what attitude and approach the querent decides on.
And 30 unchanging - well, 30 is about both bright, clear vision, and also everything that supports it. Rearing cattle means building up your reserves, making the dream more possible, circumstances more supportive. I don't think that Yi usually says 'yes' or 'no', I think it says 'yes, if...'.
Hi Millie,
In a dutch I Chingbook I have been reading that hexagram 30 is about every day life. Like the Yi is telling to you to `get real?... I then only want to say: how can you make a dream come true when you are only dreaming :-D... A dream can be true when you work on it. So to ?get real? here is to get everyday life as an entrance to make the dream work. It could happen, but you have to be realistic. Take care of the cow it sais... Like a farmer can dream about a big milkfactory... when he is not suportive to his cow he will not even get the milk :-D... The meaning of the chinese character of hexagram 30 is something like ?wanting to, but scarred to do so...? Is that true? Perhaps the scarry-ness is something you have to work on first. Like: supose the dream does come true?! All the way... THEN what :-D. My experience is that people are more afraid of succes then failure. Could there be sometthing like that...? It?s scares the ...(bleep)... out of you when you succeed, right :-D? THEN START TO WORK ON THAT ANXIETY THEN, BECAUSE IT CAN ACTUALLY HAPPEN :-D!
Hang in there.
Hug
Frank
In a dutch I Chingbook I have been reading that hexagram 30 is about every day life. Like the Yi is telling to you to `get real?... I then only want to say: how can you make a dream come true when you are only dreaming :-D... A dream can be true when you work on it. So to ?get real? here is to get everyday life as an entrance to make the dream work. It could happen, but you have to be realistic. Take care of the cow it sais... Like a farmer can dream about a big milkfactory... when he is not suportive to his cow he will not even get the milk :-D... The meaning of the chinese character of hexagram 30 is something like ?wanting to, but scarred to do so...? Is that true? Perhaps the scarry-ness is something you have to work on first. Like: supose the dream does come true?! All the way... THEN what :-D. My experience is that people are more afraid of succes then failure. Could there be sometthing like that...? It?s scares the ...(bleep)... out of you when you succeed, right :-D? THEN START TO WORK ON THAT ANXIETY THEN, BECAUSE IT CAN ACTUALLY HAPPEN :-D!
Hang in there.
Hug
Frank
Hi Millie,
It looks to me that the text says: If you cling to what lights up your own passion from within, and persevere, it will light up the world outside you as well. You must protect and nurture the resources involved. Success may require long term persistence during a time when other people do not yet see why this is so important.
Does that help?
I don't know how to read what the lines don't say. That one is a new concept to me as well.
It looks to me that the text says: If you cling to what lights up your own passion from within, and persevere, it will light up the world outside you as well. You must protect and nurture the resources involved. Success may require long term persistence during a time when other people do not yet see why this is so important.
Does that help?
I don't know how to read what the lines don't say. That one is a new concept to me as well.
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I think Millie is long gone. that threads from 2005, resurrected it seems by someone else with an unrelated question
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LOL! Good for you Trojan! Your Virgo rising attention to details sure comes in handy!
Anyone have further thoughts on the question raised by this discussion? If a person is intending to use a specific I Ching method or translation for their answer, will the hexagram they receive take into account the method they are intending to use?
Anyone have further thoughts on the question raised by this discussion? If a person is intending to use a specific I Ching method or translation for their answer, will the hexagram they receive take into account the method they are intending to use?
Trojan and Ben:
Trojan is right. I am not Millie and I posted a question this week (April 200() in this post asking who can explain me what is a 6 match and a 6 strike. This is bc I made a question on the possibilities of my present relationship to be harmonic and happy, bc we have had a lot of conflict but we do love each other. I got the 30 Hexagram unchanging. I found in this forum, opinions on the interpretation of 30 unchanging and in this post, very much called my attention the opinion of the JESED member who made his analysis bases in this technique.
Can somebody explain me how to work with this technique?
Can somebody give me their interpretation of the Hex I got for an answer.
Thanks
Leonor
Trojan is right. I am not Millie and I posted a question this week (April 200() in this post asking who can explain me what is a 6 match and a 6 strike. This is bc I made a question on the possibilities of my present relationship to be harmonic and happy, bc we have had a lot of conflict but we do love each other. I got the 30 Hexagram unchanging. I found in this forum, opinions on the interpretation of 30 unchanging and in this post, very much called my attention the opinion of the JESED member who made his analysis bases in this technique.
Can somebody explain me how to work with this technique?
Can somebody give me their interpretation of the Hex I got for an answer.
Thanks
Leonor
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I don't have a clue about what you are asking but if noone much responds my tip is to start a new thread on your topic then more people can see what you are asking and won't think this is still about Millie 
Trojan,
I posted my questioin here:
....a thread you have subscribed to entitled - 30 to 32 - in the Shared Readings forum of I Ching Community. This thread is located at:http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=569&goto=newpost
Thanks !
Leonor
I posted my questioin here:
....a thread you have subscribed to entitled - 30 to 32 - in the Shared Readings forum of I Ching Community. This thread is located at:http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=569&goto=newpost
Thanks !
Leonor
Leonor, I think you are confused. The idea is for you to start your own thread. Do this by clicking on SHARED READINGS, and then click NEW THREAD. This will allow you to ask your own question. Your questions do not need to be attached to another person's question.