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iesha

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Hello!

Ok. I have another reading for feelings, but now is about my feelings.

I have recently started doing mindfulness meditation in a Buddhist Centre. But I am feeling quite strange these days. A mixture of sleepness with sickness. Very strange indeed.

I asked I ching, what's that I am feeling, what's happenning to me? 33.2,5 changing to 50.

I can see from Wilhem's text, something about line 2 being something bad (the inferior man) stuck to me, and 5 being me wanting to be free from it. And then it comes the hex 50. Does that mean about looking for spirituality?

Any ideas? Please?

Thanks in advance.

Iesha
 

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Meditation is a form of retreat: So 33 overall is actually good for it. Line two simply tells you to keep to the straight and narrow, while line five tells you to be straight fast and forward. If you do that, you get full spiritual and physical success, 50, the Cauldron, which enables you to establish a new way of life.
 
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Hi,
Don’t know much about this kind of meditation, but a friend of mine , using another type had similar feelings. Perhaps there is an inner transformation ( 50) and those feeling’s root is the distance you take from those “small people”. (33) .In the process of distillation (50) the separation of impurities is essential, but not always easy .

My friend find it very helpful to share about all those feelings with her teacher, so since it an organized center, perhaps there are people they can help you. She was told that this was normal, but not sure if this applies to your case.

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I asked I ching, what's that I am feeling, what's happening to me? 33.2,5 changing to 50.

H50: Transformation, the Sacred Vessel. The range of experiences of H50 can be quite wide and far-ranging. You're feeling weirded out.

Since you received hexagram 33, I'd withdraw from the group you recently joined, if I were you. Something about that type of meditation is making you feel sick, and your mind has not identified yet precisely what is wrong.

I've just thought about it, and I believe the IC is saying that now is not a time for far-ranging changes in your life. It would be better if you could simply pay attention to the smaller matters of life right now. In other words, pick up a hammer and hang a picture on your wall -- don't pick up a hammer with the aim of building a new house. Do something like home repairs or other minor stuff we all have to do . . .

There are many spiritual paths to choose from, not just this one, which makes you feel sick. Your body is trying to tell you something, Iesha.
 
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I would think that line 33.2 is saying that certain attitudes and behaviour are extremely hard to eliminate, the more you try to change the more the "devil" in you resists those changes, hence a conflict in the mind ensues. Remember the saying, "Old habits die hard".

Line 33.5 is saying that you need to carry on with the mediation, to "force" your mind to change, its called "brain washing" as it seems that your mind isn't going to give in without a fight.

Then look at Hex 50 its your mind bubbling away, if you tend to it well, then the outcome will be successful, you will have readjusted your life by means of ancient wisdom.

So, you are feeling unbalanced and in disarray because the changes are only in the initial stages, the mind can cause all sorts of strange feelings and symptoms to occur, so don't worry, its a time of transformation.
 

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Thank you

Icastes, Maremaria and Willowfox your answers seem to agree in the essence. I believe I should go on, indeed, and face the challenge. Thank you all for your insights and big help. I appreciate a lot.

Ginnie, I thank you for you help too. But I don't think IC is telling me to leave the group and pay attention to smaller things in life. I think this, because mindfullness meditation is actually to do that, live the present and pay attention to smaller things in our life. It helps us to focus on what is happening now, stopping fantacising about the past and presuming the future.

Thank you, folks!

Abraços,

Iesha
 

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Maremaria,

Yes, it is a Buddhist Centre. I already expressed my situation to the meditation guide/teacher. He said he would like to do some one to one session, so he can help me. Because we do this meditation in group.
 
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Maremaria,

Yes, it is a Buddhist Centre. I already expressed my situation to the meditation guide/teacher. He said he would like to do some one to one session, so he can help me. Because we do this meditation in group.


thats great !!

i think WF made some good points and during that change its good to have some help from the people teach you.

take care and good luck :)
 
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Maybe you paid membership dues or signed some sort of contractual agreement, and so you feel you cannot leave. That could be another meaning of line 2 moving in hex 33: 'He bound it with thongs of yellow oxhide and no one cold untie it.' Sounds like a contract or pre-payment of some kind, but could just mean that you made a very firm commitment right at the beginning.

However, I wanted to tell you that if the strange feelings continue, you might strongly consider dropping out, despite having made the firm tie at the beginning.

I don't care who they are: Buddhists or Zoroastrians. Those are just names and titles. Isn't Buddhism all about non-attachment by the way? There are lots of places to study mindfulness meditation these days; not just one place.

The discomfort is supposed to be from sitting cross-legged. There are some very real dangers in meditation, and if something untoward happens to your nervous system, I wonder if your teacher would really be there for you. Or would you end up alone with the trouble?

I take the H50 as what you are looking for, a transformative experience. I hope that line 5 moving in H33 signifies that you'd recognize the right moment to leave, if it all becomes too much.

I don't know why people feel they must suffer to have a transformative experience. If you continue to be ill and miserable, please do consider making a graceful exit.
 

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I don't know why people feel they must suffer to have a transformative experience. If you continue to be ill and miserable, please do consider making a graceful exit.

Accepting the pain of transformation and engaging it fully is part of the process of beginning to resolve what has remained unresolved abandonment in your life. Transformation is a process of change. Chosen change. Change, by its very nature is often a painful process. Transformation is a process of change in nature or character. The type of transformation that unfolds in the process of personal growth, healing, and recovery. Transformation by its very nature produces pain and/or discomfort. This pain and discomfort has its roots in the unresolved abandonment of childhood, which for some, is more profound than for others and might involve intense fear of abandonment that arouses powerful aversion to connecting to this transformative pain.

Many people abandon their own sacred process of transformation because it hurts, and feels, at times, very uncomfortable. Change must be sought after and consciously worked for. It requires a radical acceptance of the more difficult emotions that accompany it. There is a profound difference between pain radically accepted in the process of personal growth, transformative change, healing, and recovery and the suffering that is often an inability of refusal to engage one’s painful feelings.
 

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Has Already Sacrificed Enough

Accepting the pain of transformation and engaging it fully is part of the process of beginning to resolve what has remained unresolved abandonment in your life. ...Transformation by its very nature produces pain and/or discomfort.

I hear you, Willowfox, and know what you're saying is true. In order to recover and heal, we must go through a ring of fire and a circle of fear.

However, the psychiatric wards at any given time always hold a few patients who sought their transformative experience from a guru, a martial arts master, a Buddhist priest, a T'ai Chi teacher, an instructor trained in the Eastern Arts, who at that point abandoned them, repeating the abandonment of the childhood, not healing it. Nobody can deny this, because it's just a plain fact.

I guess everybody has heard of meditation psychosis. In fact, it is quite common --

An attraction to what (and who) makes us feel miserable is one result of an abandoned childhood, when a confusion developed between what hurt us and what made us feel glad.

I usually receive hexagram 33 when I'm feeling in conflict. Hexagram 33 is telling me to withdraw from the conflict. Yi knows the degree of internal conflict we are feeling and addresses that, the fact that the degree of conflict is unhealthy for us.

I know there are various interpretations of that line 5 in Hexagram 33. I am not saying that Iesha is going to be 'put crazy' -- as the expression goes -- in the process of trying to rid herself of her childhood conditioning.. I'm just saying that we all need to learn about our limits. Nothing should be done to an extreme.

This is an interesting example, Iesha, because meditation is considered one good way to withdraw inward. When line 33.5 changes, it changes into 56. I take that to mean: Retire and don't be afraid to stand alone. Continue to search on your own. But it doesn't always mean to leave a situation completely.

It would be nice to hear from Iesha. She may no longer still be feeling the same way!
 

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Hi Ginnie and Willowfox.

Ginnie, I've made a research on the meditation psychosis you've mentioned. I found this: “Meditation is contraindicated in patients with severe mental illness, particular if there is a risk of psychosis, and should be supervised closely if used by anyone with mild to moderate mental illness.” and also this "On a more psychological level, one place I saw described it as a 'sudden and massive release of awareness and energy' which could unbalance vulnerable people. I have to confess I still don’t really get it."

I don't have any psychosis or mental illness history. And I don't really know what is the vunerable person they mean, despite having mental illness. Though now you made me feel a little bit aprehensive in relation to meditation.

The meditation I have been doing is very simple. To focus on my breath for a while, and then to ask about myself (if I'm happy and secure and so on, so forth). Then, I extend my good thoughts to others I know and to the animals around me. I don't think this simple kind of meditation would lead me to crazyness.

I believe what Willowfox said is right. Any situation where you experience change you feel some lost or distress. I know I have some problems in my past and also about myself that I have to deal with in order to be present and feel less anxiety. Also, they say that when you fight against your ego, it is a very hard battle. And I want to fight my ego so I can find a peacefull way in life.

I still doing the meditation. I will meet my teacher again next Friday. I'm not yet 100% after meditation, but I can tell I am not feeling sick anymore.


So I asked now the IC to understand better the situation. Is there any chance this meditation I'm doing is going to harm me (mentally, physically or spiritually)? I goy 40.1>54

I see a good thing, as liberation. I just didn't get the marrying maiden. Any thoughts?
 

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Oh! I just remembered something.

I did a meditation before going to bed two nights ago. I remember, I got too awaken and couldn't sleep for a while. But also, from sudden it came up a memory about something that happened in my past, and I cried (very quickly, but cried). I think that maybe the meditation is helping me solving things or wounds that I'm hiding within my heart and mind. Maybe clearing out the house :).
 
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Is there any chance this meditation I'm doing is going to harm me (mentally, physically or spiritually)? I got 40.1>54

54: 'you are not the one who has chosen,' something we cannot control, like coming down with the flu, actually ... :rofl: This 54 is how Yi has represented the 'harm' you asked about.

40.1 Most of the burden is lifting. The path is becoming clearer.

To clarify: When we get H33, Yi is usually responding to us at the moment we are asking the question. It has to do with not staying in a conflicted state. It is part of the philosophy of the IC that when we feel conflicted, we need to withdraw from it rather than allowing our mind to be engulfed by the conflict.

Getting H33 is not an instruction from Yi to withdraw from external arrangements, places, or people. One must always remember that Yi sees what's inside us very clearly. It is our insides that Yi is usually commenting upon.

And withdrawal from conflict is something that can be accomplished in a matter of minutes. It's something we do inside ourselves.
 
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