35.1.2.5 Understanding the lines (Tuck?)

[Samgirl]

I was reading from Tuck's site -which is great- reading about Hexagram 35, and its changing lines.

Perhaps this is a question directed to Tuck... On the line sections, I was reading on line 1 and 2, about the possibilities of their moving position if line 5 moved from yin to yang.

From Tuck's site:

Line 1 advanced to position 4 to be next to line 5, the king. Provided that line 5 changed to the masculine, line 4 would sustain line 5 and the upper trigram would become Shun (entrance, the wind), and Shun is order. However, in actuality, the masculine line 5 doesn’t exist and there is no order, i.e. no assignment.

Provided that line 5 changes to the masculine and offers a blessing, line 2 will have correlation and be able to advance; hence line 2 should stay at the post right for it and wait with its enterprising spirit for good fortune.
While line 5 changes to the masculine, the upper trigram will become Chien; Chien signifies gold and jade which can refer to fortune. The inner bottom trigram is Gen (keeping still, the mountain) looking like a hand, and the bottom trigram Kun is receptiveness i.e. acceptance."

I am wondering how to read when it actually happens if receiving 35.1.2.5 as oracle.

Thank you very much!
Sam

 

[tuckchang]

Dear Samgirl,

Thanks for visit.

Usually We don’t study why it is hexagram 10 when hexagram 35.1. 2. 5 change, i.e. cause and effect, since every hexagram has the possibility of changing to the other 63 hexagrams, unless we see some signs for us to take them as side information.

Hexagram 35 (Chin): to advance with brightness, is something like giving me a job and I will pay you back, and I do pay you back, differing from hexagram 46 (Sheng): to rise but a tender rise, which is like I working hard and making contributions, I hope........, therefore it is advantageous to see a great lord who can recognizes the virtuous and able person.
Hexagram 10 (Lu) signifies to tread or to carry out in accordance with propriety i.e. system and order.

I am not familiar with your reading method; however according to mine: three moving lines but none is at the changeable position, hexagram 35 and hexagram 10 are in equal and in a position of cooperation and / or opposition, which should be adoptable for your reference.

In this case and according to the texts, hexagram 35 and 10 should be interpreted in a complementary form: you should initiate the request and you must prove that you are deserved, like Duke Kang using the horses bestowed by the king for reproduction and being summoned three times in the day (or mating three times during the daytime, i.e. working hard). All these must be carried out systematically and orderly, like treading the tiger’s tail (the one gave you the offer?), (but the tiger) not to bite people, smooth progress. Something like these and depends on the question.

Please comment.

Regards
Tuck :bows:

 

[Samgirl]

Thank you for your response, Tuck. I don't have any reading method so far, just learning. Basically, I read the lines as they come, trying to make sense and hoping I understand the message.

My question to you was based on what I read in your website, which now I believe I might have misinterpreted when reading " Line 1 advanced to position 4 to be next to line 5, the king. Provided that line 5 changed to the masculine, ....". I was wondering if this reading could be the case ("line 5 changed to the masculine") as I assumed that this explanation was referring to 35.1.5 for example. As per your answer it doesn't seem my assumption was correct.

My reading in this case was about an association within a learning situation ("what's the current state of this association"). I am sure I need to study more to fully understand the changeable positions and lines interpretation, as I am studying from books, LiSe's site, this forum, etc. It's funny that I feel like the most I study the less I know but well, I guess this is normal.

So the real question would be "what did you mean when saying " Line 1 advanced to position 4 to be next to line 5, the king. Provided that line 5 changed to the masculine, ...."?

Thank you again for your help,
Sam

 

[tuckchang]

‘Provided that line 5 changed………. However, in actuality, the masculine line 5 doesn’t exist and there is no order, i.e. no assignment’ is to explain ‘due to not having been assigned (with a mission)' in the Phenomenon advice.
I don’t know whether it is clear to you.
I think, this expression is not good enough and I am studying how to express the relationship between 35.1.4.5 in order to make it clearer. Once I am ready I will present it to you.

Regards
Tuck

 

[tuckchang]

A) 35.1 .4 .5: Line 4 of hexagram Guan (20) advances and replaces line 5, the hexagram becomes Chin. The original line 5 of hexagram Guan becomes line 4 of hexagram Chin, an incapable person like hamster, who occupies a high rank post and hinder the lines below from advancing. With viewing to offer those lines below opportunities to advance, line 5 advances, actually retreats to a state of retirement, position 6, which alludes to line 4’s remaining at its post unchanged.
Line 1 advances and replaces line 4, resulting in no sincerity & trust, (but) spaciousness and no fault (or calamity). Spaciousness and no fault (or calamity) are due to not having been assigned (with a mission), signifying such replacement is not authorized by line 5, the king, or on the other hand, no assignment signifies freedom to exert oneself in advancing and seeking the right post, as well as freedom from fault (or calamity).

B) So I will modify the explanation in my website as:

Line 1 advanced to position 4 to be next to line 5, the king. If line 5 were the masculine, line 4 would sustain line 5 and the upper trigram would become Shun (entrance, the wind), i.e. order. However, in actuality, the masculine line 5 doesn’t exist; thus there is no assignment requesting to follow but freedom.

Regards
Tuck :bows:

 

[Tohpol]

Colour

Just dipping in here Samgirl for a little suggestion for Tuck's wonderful I Ching website. I've really been enjoying all your work and I think it's all excellent except for.... the colour scheme.

Can I suggest you change the heavy lime greens and garish reds to something more gentle on the eye and stomach? Colour design is so important and I think if it's too strong it can distract from the quality of the information. Some pastel shades maybe or some more neutral tones?

Best,

Topal

 

[Samgirl]

A) 35.1 .4 .5: Line 4 of hexagram Guan (20) advances and replaces line 5, the hexagram becomes Chin. The original line 5 of hexagram Guan becomes line 4 of hexagram Chin, an incapable person like hamster, who occupies a high rank post and hinder the lines below from advancing. With viewing to offer those lines below opportunities to advance, line 5 advances, actually retreats to a state of retirement, position 6, which alludes to line 4’s remaining at its post unchanged.
Line 1 advances and replaces line 4, resulting in no sincerity & trust, (but) spaciousness and no fault (or calamity). Spaciousness and no fault (or calamity) are due to not having been assigned (with a mission), signifying such replacement is not authorized by line 5, the king, or on the other hand, no assignment signifies freedom to exert oneself in advancing and seeking the right post, as well as freedom from fault (or calamity).

B) So I will modify the explanation in my website as:

Line 1 advanced to position 4 to be next to line 5, the king. If line 5 were the masculine, line 4 would sustain line 5 and the upper trigram would become Shun (entrance, the wind), i.e. order. However, in actuality, the masculine line 5 doesn’t exist; thus there is no assignment requesting to follow but freedom.

Regards
Tuck :bows:

Thank you, Tuck.

 

[tuckchang]

Can I suggest you change the heavy lime greens and garish reds to something more gentle on the eye and stomach? Colour design is so important and I think if it's too strong it can distract from the quality of the information. Some pastel shades maybe or some more neutral tones?

Best,

Topal

Thank you very much for your advice. I will make adjustment but it might take a little time. Do you really feel uncomfortable with 'garish red' ? It is pity, red is my favorite color.

Regards
Tuck :bows:

 

[Sparhawk]

I'm with Tuck here. For me, pastels are the colors that make my stomach waver... Give me primary colors any day. I know where they stand...

 

[Tohpol]

I'm with Tuck here. For me, pastels are the colors that make my stomach waver... Give me primary colors any day. I know where they stand...

That's your latin temperament I guess... You're not a fire sign are you?

Well, I meant pastels that are easy on the easy on the eye not necessarily anything too sugary and New Age. It's a tricky one I know. Tuck, it's just a suggestion if you really love your colours then of course, stick with them.

Maybe a few others can say whether they like the colours as they are or prefer something more subtle - that way you can get a better idea as to whether your audience is disturbed or stimulated by the colour scheme.

Topal

 

[Sparhawk]

Is Leo a fire sign?? Dunno... (and a Metal Ox to top it off)

 

[bamboo]

hmmmm, at first i was going to agree with Topal, but today I am on my laptop and the colors are not as bold on this screen. i rather like them. i dont know why the screen would look slightly more muted.. the one color i did not seem to like was the green on hex 35, but on this screen, even that looks nice. interesting.
fire sign, here. what are you topal? i bet you're water!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[bamboo]

i do love the red, tuck, in either case.

 

[bamboo]

on second glance, the only color i would think of changing is the pea green that is the background of all the hexagrams apparently. that one is hard on the eyes and the stomach. perhaps that should be a sweet yellow or a muted blue......

 

[Trojina]

perhaps that should be a sweet yellow or a muted blue......

thats what we have here lol.

Colour on the site is the least of my worries, i can't even read it. A portion of the screen is chopped off, and a box keeps popping up telling me i have to install chinese which as i can't read chinese there wouldn't be much point in doing, but it won't let me read anything in peace without this dratted box coming up.... its probably just my computer though........i see no red there, anywhere, maybe thats the chinese bit

 

[bamboo]

Trojan, if you click on the link above and then go to the left of the screen and click on HOME, you should get to the red page

 

[Samgirl]

Trojan, if you had a Mac then you didn't have all those problems. Anyway... I also had my first impressions in the colors. I do agree with Topal actually, but well, I am water.

 

[Trojina]

Trojan, if you click on the link above and then go to the left of the screen and click on HOME, you should get to the red page

Good grief I have a sudden migraine ! I like red but its pretty hard to focus on the computer screen with it in large swathes, i find i just want to escape it. So I think I'm with Topal here.

Thanks anyway Bamboo, still can't get rid of 'you must install language' thing' so i give up for now...

 

[Trojina]

Trojan, if you had a Mac then you didn't have all those problems. Anyway... I also had my first impressions in the colors. I do agree with Topal actually, but well, I am water.

I never met anyone with a Mac ! Yes Topal was right (as usual) . I don't think its to do with what colours one likes, (I mean I'm sitting here in my scarlet cat suit with green boots today, I'm not afraid of colour) but I think the eye just doesn't want to linger on the colours Tucks using now esp the red when trying to read. But am water sign too so.....

 

[Sparhawk]

I never met anyone with a Mac !

You mean in the flesh, right? We are hiding in the bushes...

BTW, I didn't know you guys were talking about the design of Tuck's website (talk about hasty replies and taking comments out of context, geeze...) In that case I agree that the goal, more than pretty colors, is to make the whole thing easy to read. The site is hard to read as it is, indeed.

 

[tuckchang]

Thank you, thank you very much! Indeed I lack the sense of color; it is true, my wife always decides what I should be dressed. Originally I only intended to reduce the brightness of the screen and green, to me, is friendly to the eye. Color is not my major concern but rather easy and comfortable reading. It just came to my mind, maybe a page all with the dull background color makes reading difficult and uncomfortable. I have modified two Chapters, Hexagram 1 (Chien) and 2 (Kun). Could you please give your comment again whether I am right and which one is better or any other suggestion?

I also have difficulty to precisely and pertinently express myself in English. Please kindly give me your comment or correction. In fact I am also continuously optimizing the content of my website.

Best regards
Tuck :bows:

 

[Samgirl]

Your website is great and your efforts will (and are) helping a lot of people already.

I personally prefer the changes as they are shown in Hexagram 2 - I see it a lot easier to read. I work with websites and I do prefer pastels and light colours as I feel they are easy to the eyes - mostly for the people that is in front of the computer for a long time.

Perhaps this helps you - it is a link to find and work colours for websites.

 

[Tohpol]

Your website is great and your efforts will (and are) helping a lot of people already.

I personally prefer the changes as they are shown in Hexagram 2 - I see it a lot easier to read. I work with websites and I do prefer pastels and light colours as I feel they are easy to the eyes - mostly for the people that is in front of the computer for a long time.

Perhaps this helps you - it is a link to find and work colours for websites.

Yes indeedy. Hex 2 is the way to go and with a much lighter green on the boarder.

But hey, I'm a water sign too.

Topal

 

[Samgirl]

Hi Tuck,

I checked your website today and looks great!

Sam

 

[tuckchang]

I thank you very much for your advice.

Tuck

 

[Tohpol]

It's beautiful Tuck. Very conducive for contemplation, like the cool, still waters of a Taoist pool...

:bows:

Topal